Bruce Bowen is overrated

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03-09-2007
Bruno

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

Do people not understand that the "Bowen replacement" and the "long 3/small ball 4" are two different players?

Have I said that White was a "long 3/small ball 4" ?
03-09-2007
AFBlue

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Have I said that White was a "long 3/small ball 4" ?

No sorry, I just clicked on your post to reference, then went a different direction.
03-09-2007
silk

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

Don't you think hedo turkoglu was that 3 the spurs coveted long and do it all type but he messed up badly and spurs lost faith in him...then we have this scout who messed with nocioni drafting..at the time i thought firing him was excessive but now we can see how his error hampered us....

I'm sure we can find someone useful next year maybe a luke walton or a travis outlaw with a little chance..

But for now it's all for the play-off and championship and bruce or not bruce i feel good....
03-09-2007
AFBlue

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Well, they can be the same player. If that player is a 6'9/6'10 small forward who is quick enough to guard smaller players, can step out on the perimeter and score, can rebound, and isn't afraid to go down low in the post in a small ball lineup.

But that player wouldn't be White - too short.

What player within the Spurs' $$ range/draft range has the ability to guard/play 3 positions on the floor? Sorry Kori, but I don't see many players with that ability.
03-09-2007
K-State Spur

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by HuskerinSA

Bruce has already lost a step or 2 on defense. I was at the game in SA when we played LA before the rodeo roadtrip. I realize Kobe is one of the best offensive players in the league, but that was the worst I've ever seen Bruce play him.

He's never been a lockdown defender on guys like Kobe or Dirk or McGrady (nobody is). Kobe has had some pretty big games on him in the past. What Bruce does is make him work hard enough to get his 35 points that they don't have the legs to take over in the last 5 minutes.

Sequ is right in that aspect. Bruce is overrated if he get labeled as a lockdown perimeter guy. There is no such thing.
03-09-2007
Que Gee

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by T Park

Even if Bowen's shots not falling, look at how he did last night when ON Martin.

martin scored the majority, or all of his points when someone else was guarding him.

So this Bowen sucks arguement is horseshit to the max.

Actually your right. :clap Which pained me to say. The Kings kept getting switches on picks which allowed Martin to score off of other defenders...So, case in point, there really wasn't a reason for Bowen to be out on the floor.
03-09-2007
Big P

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Every time you say something about him, it get's locked or you're an idiot.

Dude is overrated. The Spurs would be much better with a forward that could rebound, score and dunk in that position.

One of the reason the Spurs are 10 games behind Dallas is because he can't stop any of the elite players anymore.

Saying the Spurs need a long forward is just a cheap way of saying Bruce needs to go.

WTF?

Your a loser.
03-09-2007
Spursfan101

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

The thing that worries me about Bruce Bowen is his inability to run up and down the court with the high flying teams like the Mavs and Suns. Although defense is what the Spurs live and die by he wont be able to play defense with the Western conference elites
03-09-2007
K-State Spur

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by Spursfan101

The thing that worries me about Bruce Bowen is his inability to run up and down the court with the high flying teams like the Mavs and Suns. Although defense is what the Spurs live and die by he wont be able to play defense with the Western conference elites

have you been a spurs fan for more than 3 days?
03-09-2007
Solid D

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by Spursfan101

The thing that worries me about Bruce Bowen is his inability to run up and down the court with the high flying teams like the Mavs and Suns. Although defense is what the Spurs live and die by he wont be able to play defense with the Western conference elites

I totally disagree. Even at 35 years old, Bowen has more energy than most of his teammates. He's perpetual motion and he has no-nonsense work habits with tremendous discipline. Running up and down the court isn't a weakness yet and although Bruce isn't a high-flier, his feet never stop. If you can discipline yourself to focus on watching Bruce for a couple of minutes straight, you'll see for yourself.
03-09-2007
T Park

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Actually your right. Which pained me to say. The Kings kept getting switches on picks which allowed Martin to score off of other defenders...So, case in point, there really wasn't a reason for Bowen to be out on the floor

Why does it pain you to say that.
03-09-2007
Clutch20

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

He's never been a lockdown defender on guys like Kobe or Dirk or McGrady (nobody is). Kobe has had some pretty big games on him in the past. What Bruce does is make him work hard enough to get his 35 points that they don't have the legs to take over in the last 5 minutes.

Sequ is right in that aspect. Bruce is overrated if he get labeled as a lockdown perimeter guy. There is no such thing.

And K-State Spur is overrated if he get labeled as a lick-down rim-eater gay. There is no such thing.
Or is there a really stupid sounding ring to absolute statements made absolutely, K-State (not a spur)
03-09-2007
SequSpur

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by Big P

Your a loser.

nope...

you're a loser
03-10-2007
IX_Equilibrium

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Every time you say something about him, it get's locked or you're an idiot.

Dude is overrated. The Spurs would be much better with a forward that could rebound, score and dunk in that position.

One of the reason the Spurs are 10 games behind Dallas is because he can't stop any of the elite players anymore.

Saying the Spurs need a long forward is just a cheap way of saying Bruce needs to go.

WTF?

Moron

The sad thing is, you are a troll, and most don't even grasp that aspect.
03-10-2007
Gros Membres!

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by T Park

bull fucking shit.

So this Bowen sucks arguement is horseshit to the max.

No, you suck.

Can you honestly look yourself in the mirror and say Bruce Bowen hasn't lost a step? Well, maybe. But...

I think it's safe to say that when Tony, Manu, and TD are kicking it out to him for a 3, I cringe a little bit.
03-10-2007
milkyway21

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

how many 3 pointers Bruce Bowen made game 2 West Semi-Finals Spurs vs Lakers in 2003? :p:
03-10-2007
Solid D

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Everytime you post something, it turns into a vulgarity fest between a bunch of losers. If this thread doesn't go wild again, it will stay open.

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Originally Posted by Big P

Your a loser.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

nope...

you're a loser

Sequ's mission accomplished. :clap
03-10-2007
anonymous coward

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

lets hear sequspur, he is rigth!

finley should start instead of him, and play more of bowens minutes. manu should start too. that would be better for the spurs than the current scheme.

this is a thread that im started some months ago about bowen....

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...0&page=1&pp=26

this is a great analisys of wildbill2u

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TIMVP you obviously don't even look at all the things that go into these ratings on the site your wife and you picked as giving good comparison stats. Put your cursor on the headings and the items that go to make them up will pop up.

Go back and look up what the Help value is (rebounds, TOs assists, steals, etc.). It has nothing to do with offense. Productivity adds the players points to the HV. Efficiency Rating adds everything up.

It's not as easy to equate the value of a player based on a constantly changing interaction with other players as you seem to think the +/- figure indicates.

But the individual player's Help Value, Productivity and Efficiency ratings per 48 minutes measures solely his personal contributions per 48 minutes. Bowen's individual stats are crummy.

He plays good defense, but the game is changing to a more mobile and higher scoring game. Not many games nowadays have both teams in the 80s so a defensive player isn't as effective or easy to hide as he once was.

"Holding" some player to 25 points while scoring 2 puts a hell of a lot of pressure on the other players to take up the slack. Give TD 25 points, TP 20 and Manu 20, and you've still only got a total of 65 points so thirty or more points have to come from somewhere. With Bowen getting 35 minutes it isn't getting done.
03-10-2007
Clutch20

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by anonymous coward

lets hear sequspur, he is rigth!

finley should start instead of him, and play more of bowens minutes. manu should start too. that would be better for the spurs than the current scheme.

this is a thread that im started some months ago about bowen....

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...0&page=1&pp=26

this is a great analisys of wildbill2u

Ha! Focus on the ballcarriers that are one on one with Bowen, they pass it off to someone else after a couple of dribbles.
LOOK AT IT!
That specific one-on-one moment when they get rattled.
Including Kobe.
You know the game, they'll pass off the ball almost every single time.
Only if you don't see it happen well then, let's talk about something else.
03-10-2007
Jimcs50

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

:rolleyes

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Every time you say something about him, it get's locked or you're an idiot.

Dude is overrated. The Spurs would be much better with a forward that could rebound, score and dunk in that position.

One of the reason the Spurs are 10 games behind Dallas is because he can't stop any of the elite players anymore.

Saying the Spurs need a long forward is just a cheap way of saying Bruce needs to go.

WTF?

Sign Pippen, cut Bruce, right?
03-10-2007
dg7md

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

I do agree that we need someone younger and more offensively-proficient, and that has to come by next season.
03-10-2007
SequSpur

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

The spurs are getting below ave. rebounding from bruce bowen and minimal offense from him compared to the middle pack of sfs in the nba. That is a fact. The spurs would be better off with someone else.

bruce bowen is a class guy but a fact is a fact
03-10-2007
smeagol

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

Sequ's bball knowledge is less than mine. And I started watching this sport four years ago.
03-10-2007
SequSpur

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by smeagol

Sequ's bball knowledge is less than mine. And I started watching this sport four years ago.

bro... counter my take then instead of slappin your dumb ass drivel off the crack of my ass.
03-10-2007
smeagol

Re: Bruce Bowen is overrated

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

bro... counter my take then instead of slappin your dumb ass drivel off the crack of my ass.

No need to do that.

When Kori, Nikos, Solid D and others have already countered your take, you know your take is dumb.

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