Who do you put on Dirk?

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03-10-2007
mavsfan1000

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by whottt

Elson doesn't like players that are banging...that's not what Dirk does. He won't have a problem with Dirk.

Miller believe it or not can be a pretty physical player, especially when he's pissed. Ask Shaq......

Well if that's the case good luck against Phoenix. :lol
03-10-2007
Cry Havoc

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Well if that's the case good luck against Phoenix. :lol

Duncan and Elson are pretty much switchable to either KT or Amare. Unless you really think the Spurs are scared to put Duncan on Stoudamire when he's fully healthy?
03-10-2007
SpursDynasty

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Thanks for the laugh. :lol

Utah whooped Dallas 101-79. Then lost 108-105. Looks like solid competition to me.

The Spurs have won 1, and lost 2 games by an average of 4 points. Again, solid competition.

The rest of the league has played no where close to Utah and SA vs Dallas.
03-10-2007
mavsfan1000

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by SpursDynasty

Utah whooped Dallas 101-79. Then lost 108-105. Looks like solid competition to me.

The Spurs have won 1, and lost 2 games by an average of 4 points. Again, solid competition.

The rest of the league has played no where close to Utah and SA vs Dallas.

I find it funny that you judge the mavs season on a few games. The first spurs loss was the first game of the season. That was like a preseason/post hangover finals game. The last 2 meetings were in San Antonio and the mavs won both including one on a back-to-back night. Dallas is a much better team now that they added George and Buckner in replace of Griffin, Daniels, and Van Horn. Winning close games is what Dallas does best.
03-10-2007
picnroll

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

I find it funny that you judge the mavs season on a few games. The first spurs loss was the first game of the season. That was like a preseason/post hangover finals game. The last 2 meetings were in San Antonio and the mavs won both including one on a back-to-back night. Dallas is a much better team now that they added George and Buckner in replace of Griffin, Daniels, and Van Horn. Winning close games is what Dallas does best.

So are you implying then that the Mavs will just roll over SA or Utah in the playoffs?
03-10-2007
mavsfan1000

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by picnroll

So are you implying then that the Mavs will just roll over SA or Utah in the playoffs?

Did I say that? No but I think Dallas will find a way to win the close games to take them out. I would say Utah would be easier than San Antonio though. Dallas probably takes out Utah in 6 and San Antonio might go 7.
03-10-2007
LEONARD

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by SpursDynasty

Utah whooped Dallas 101-79. Then lost 108-105. Looks like solid competition to me.

The Spurs have won 1, and lost 2 games by an average of 4 points. Again, solid competition.

The rest of the league has played no where close to Utah and SA vs Dallas.

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oh yea...forgot this...

:lol:lol
03-10-2007
dbestpro

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

The only person who can slow Dirk is Pop. He has to push the officials in to calling the offensive push offs that he and Terry do on virtually every play.
03-10-2007
picnroll

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Did I say that? No but I think Dallas will find a way to win the close games to take them out. I would say Utah would be easier than San Antonio though. Dallas probably takes out Utah in 6 and San Antonio might go 7.

I'd personally like to see the Mavs get past a fully healthy Rockets. Yao pretty much bitch slaps Dampier and Diop when he's good to go and more often than not TMac outplays Dirk.
03-10-2007
LEONARD

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

The only person who can slow Dirk is Pop. He has to push the officials in to calling the offensive push offs that he and Terry do on virtually every play.

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

oh yea, forgot this...

:cry:cry
03-10-2007
Kent_in_Atlanta

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by Spursfan101

So far this season the Spurs have not found an answer for stopping Dirk. Bruce is too undersized, Oberto and Elson aren't quick enough and Tim can't guard anyone outside the paint.

any suggestions?

Elson will probably be the main guy. That is after all why the Spurs signed him (to better match up with Dallas and Phoenix).

I've heard a couple of the Spurs players say that Elson is the second quickest guy on this team (after Parker, of course). That might be a bit of an overstatement, but he's as quick as any 7-footer in the league.

Now... he's not used to defending much on the perimeter, so it remains to be see how well he cay guard Dirk away from the basket. Elson is a low-post guy, and has never needed to be much of an on-the-ball defender. It'll be interesting to see how he does on Dirk. Too bad he was injured the last time we played Dallas. I really wanted to see Elson in there.

I think Elson will be at least as good as anyone else we've tried on him, and having Elson on the floor will give us another shot blocking presence. We didn't have that secondary shot blocker last year because they (Nazzi and Rasho) were too slow and had to be benched against Dallas. Or at least Popovich felt they did.

In addition to Elson, we may see Bowen spend a little time on Dirk, but not much. Horry will guard him some, as will Oberto, and maybe even Matt Bonner. But I still think Elson will be the main guy. I'm looking forward to the Dallas-vs-SA game next month. Hopefully we'll get a nice little preview there.
03-10-2007
Kent_in_Atlanta

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It's worth mentioning that we're not assured of a Dallas rematch in the playoffs. Getting through Phoenix isn't exactly going to be a cakewalk. But... based on what I'm seeing from the Spurs right now, I think they'll get past Phoenix.

It would be wonderful to see Yao get healthy and for Houston to pick up their game so they maybe they could at least push Dallas to 6 games.

Last year, the Spurs exhaustion coming out of Sacramento (thanks largely to league's asinine scheduling) really hurt the Spurs. They managed to pull together enough energy to win game 1, but I think it all caught up with them in game 2.

We can probably plan on Phoenix working out the Spurs. Let's just hope Houston can do at least a little of the same against Dallas.
03-10-2007
ArgSpursFan

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by Kent_in_Atlanta

Elson will probably be the main guy. That is after all why the Spurs signed him (to better match up with Dallas and Phoenix).

I've heard a couple of the Spurs players say that Elson is the second quickest guy on this team (after Parker, of course). That might be a bit of an overstatement, but he's as quick as any 7-footer in the league.

Now... he's not used to defending much on the perimeter, so it remains to be see how well he cay guard Dirk away from the basket. Elson is a low-post guy, and has never needed to be much of an on-the-ball defender. It'll be interesting to see how he does on Dirk. Too bad he was injured the last time we played Dallas. I really wanted to see Elson in there.

I think Elson will be at least as good as anyone else we've tried on him, and having Elson on the floor will give us another shot blocking presence. We didn't have that secondary shot blocker last year because they (Nazzi and Rasho) were too slow and had to be benched against Dallas. Or at least Popovich felt they did.

In addition to Elson, we may see Bowen spend a little time on Dirk, but not much. Horry will guard him some, as will Oberto, and maybe even Matt Bonner. But I still think Elson will be the main guy. I'm looking forward to the Dallas-vs-SA game next month. Hopefully we'll get a nice little preview there.

Elson faster tham Manu,beno,vaughn,Bowen?
don´t think so.
He may be the fastest big man in the team,not the fastest after Tony.
but he can´t guard Dirk on the perimeter.
It´s gonna take a zone D to stop him.
03-10-2007
Kent_in_Atlanta

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan

Elson faster tham Manu,beno,vaughn,Bowen?
don´t think so.
He may be the fastest big man in the team,not the fastest after Tony.
but he can´t guard Dirk on the perimeter.
It´s gonna take a zone D to stop him.

I'm just relaying what I've heard said. I remember one of the Spurs (can't remember who, but I want to say either Bowen or Horry) Elson might be the second fastest guy on the team. Seems like I heard one of the Spurs TV announcers say the same.

Again, I agree that such a statement is probably an exaggeration, but he is as fast as any 7-footer in the league. That’s why I think Elson will be the main guy they put on Dirk. When Bowen guards him_as great a defender as he is_he doesn’t have the length to keep Dirk from shooting over the top of him. And of course that takes Bruce away from the guy we need him to guard… Josh Howard. Of all the guys on this team with the length to guard Dirk, Elson is probably the quickest. So I think he’ll be the guy.

I don't see how a zone would stop Dirk. A zone opens up outside opportunities, which Dirk would love. The Spurs will probably use a combination of guys: Elson, Horry, and possibly Bonner against Dirk, and will concentrate on good team defense.
03-10-2007
ArgSpursFan

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by Kent_in_Atlanta

I'm just relaying what I've heard said. I remember one of the Spurs (can't remember who, but I want to say either Bowen or Horry) Elson might be the second fastest guy on the team. Seems like I heard one of the Spurs TV announcers say the same.

Again, I agree that such a statement is probably an exaggeration, but he is as fast as any 7-footer in the league. That’s why I think Elson will be the main guy they put on Dirk. When Bowen guards him_as great a defender as he is_he doesn’t have the length to keep Dirk from shooting over the top of him. And of course that takes Bruce away from the guy we need him to guard… Josh Howard. Of all the guys on this team with the length to guard Dirk, Elson is probably the quickest. So I think he’ll be the guy.

I don't see how a zone would stop Dirk. A zone opens up outside opportunities, which Dirk would love. The Spurs will probably use a combination of guys: Elson, Horry, and possibly Bonner against Dirk, and will concentrate on good team defense.

There are alot of zone Defense systems,not just one.
i´d go with a 3-2 classic zone D.Meaning 3 guys at the perimeter and 2 inside,mixing it up with some double-teams and rotations.
you can actually play zone and 1(or box and 1) in order to make Bruce follow Dirk on the perimeter ,and When Dirk goes to the low post,or by the Free throws line eather Elson or Tim can guard him.
03-10-2007
SpursDynasty

Re: Who do you put on Dirk?

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Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

I find it funny that you judge the mavs season on a few games. The first spurs loss was the first game of the season. That was like a preseason/post hangover finals game. The last 2 meetings were in San Antonio and the mavs won both including one on a back-to-back night. Dallas is a much better team now that they added George and Buckner in replace of Griffin, Daniels, and Van Horn. Winning close games is what Dallas does best.

I'm not judging the Mavs' season on a few games. They are beating everyone they're supposed to beat, which is good, but Utah and SA have given Dallas the most competition. They are still the best team in the NBA, but SA and Utah play them so closely that it won't take much more for them, mostly SA, to beat Dallas.

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