Vaughn fits well as Spurs' mentor

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Originally Posted by aaronstampler

Small sample sizes much?...

doofus.

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You are the one who bases there opinions on numbers. You are ignoring numbers that everyone else is posting. You complain about TP's number being down....so when I show the absurdity of reading numbers only you call me a doofus. I guess you did not see the smiley I had posted....since you missed it in my last post here it is again: :rolleyes

You only look at numbers to try to support your argument but you have totally ignored mine and others post and facts. You don't seem to understand the big picture.

You only look at numbers to try to support your argument but you have totally ignored mine and others post and facts. You don't seem to understand the big picture.<<

I understand the big picture to this extent. Tony is a good player, with the potential to be a great player, but his understanding of the game still has a good ways to go and does not seem to be progressing. Taking (and making) more jump shots is a step in the wrong direction in his overall understanding and development of the game, IMO. It's a nice weapon to be able to use once in a while, or in an emergency. But making the perimeter jumper the bread and butter of your game is dangerous for anyone, and more so for a point guard. There are reasons people make fun of Baron Davis and Stephon Marbury you know.

At the end of the day it all depends on what school of thought you belong to regarding basketball. I'm not as extreme yet as some basketball mathematicians who will tell you that David Lee is more valuable than Carmelo or that Iverson is a below average player, but I won't ignore all these new efficiency stats either.

Some people will see Kobe Bryant for example finish 13 for 30 with 33 points, and they'll say, "Wow, 33 points, Kobe had a great game."

Others will note that 33 points on 30 shots really isn't anything worth writing home about and he probably wasted a lot of possessions.

I belong to the second camp. That's really as clearly as I can put it.

This bias of mine isn't aimed solely at Tony Parker, just so you understand. Any player who shoots a lot of jumpers, but not threes and doesn't get to the FT line much falls in the same category. The only reason Wade is an efficient scorer is because he gets to the line so much.

So as Parker continues to shoot 54% you'lll hate that.

Makes sense :lmao

See there's that magic word again, "hate." I haven't used it. I swear TPark without words like love, hate, best, word and most of all, SUCK, you would not be able to write a complete sentence or form a complete thought.

Clearly...

You keep saying this and that and all that horsecrap....

Yet, you continue to rag on Tony Parker like hes some 28 year old Rasho Nesterovic.

Pathetic.

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Taking (and making) more jump shots is a step in the wrong direction in his overall understanding and development of the game, IMO.

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So you are saying that his jumper is not important.....wasn't that one of the big criticisms people had in the past? Teams could shut down the lane keeping him from making points in the paint and thus making him less effective? He makes those jumpers and it opens everything up for him and the whole team.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Clearly...

You keep saying this and that and all that horsecrap....

Yet, you continue to rag on Tony Parker like hes some 28 year old Rasho Nesterovic.

Pathetic.

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yup, because I totally think Rasho belonged in the last two All-Star games as well. He wuz robbed I tells ya. Grow up.

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Originally Posted by cherylsteele

So you are saying that his jumper is not important.....wasn't that one of the big criticisms people had in the past? Teams could shut down the lane keeping him from making points in the paint and thus making him less effective? He makes those jumpers and it opens everything up for him and the whole team.

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All making jumpers does is encourage Tony to take more jumpers. If it opens everything up for him and the whole team as you say then how come his assist numbers aren't up any or the team's scoring with him in the line-up isn't any better? All Tony shooting does is help Tony's ego. He'd have to hit like 65 or 70% of his jumpers for teams to even think about defending him any differently in the playoffs.

As far as his personal scoring goes, only two things will make him more effective: 1) learning how to get fouled, 2) making threes.

If the lane is so bogged down that Tony can't drive, I have a novel solution to the problem. Pass ze ball.

Every summer we hear ad nauseum about Tony improving his shooting stroke, improving his FTs, improving this that and the other. It's always scoring, scoring, scoring. I'm waiting for the summer where Tony works on being a point guard.... Not gonna hold my breath.

I mean look at it this way. You guys keep telling me that the reason he doesn't average many assists is because the ball isn't in his hand enough with all the dump ins to Timmy and all the isos for Manu.

Isn't that a part of the problem? Pop feels he has to specifically call plays for the other guys or else they won't get the ball enough within the natural flow of the offense. When Tony has the ball, Tony keeps the ball and Tony shoots the ball. That's kind of a dangerous mentality for a point guard. Right, right... "attack mode." Spare me.

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All making jumpers does is encourage Tony to take more jumpers. If it opens everything up for him and the whole team as you say then how come his assist numbers aren't up any or the team's scoring with him in the line-up isn't any better?

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So....you want him to be a one-dimensional player? That is not too bright.
Maybe if the team would hit some open shots his assists numbers would go up.

Like I said before...and you ignored me.....I compared his stats to James Silas.

Tony Parker is averaging 5.4 assists over his career.
Compare that to James Silas' 3.8 career assist average.

Keep in mind that Silas played in the era of the Spurs' run-n-gun.

Assists only, don't make the point guard.
You need to ask yourself;
Is the team running smoothly with TP at the point? IMO...yes.
Is the team getting better with him? yes.....you are one of the few who think differently.
I don't see anything to indicate that the coaches are upset or disappointed in Tony's game. He is generally doing what is asked of him. He trying to be a complete player who just happens to be a point guard too.

You seem to forget that this is a team game and you get way too caught up in just stats. Put down the box score and actually watch the game sometime.