Manu Ginobili, the greatest draft steal in history?

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Originally Posted by EssaySpur1001

Wasn't Michael Redd in the 40s?

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In the college ranks, he spent three years leading the offensive attack of Ohio State University garnering point averages of 21.9, 19.5, and 17.5, respectively. Michael Redd was then drafted after his junior year in the 2000 NBA Draft as a second round pick (43rd overall) by the Bucks.


THere you go. A good steal, but Ginobili is far higher.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

because there are no good centers left. There are ALWAYS a bevy of great wing players to choose from.

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Which is why we're more inclined to take Greg instead of Kevin.

Manu would arguably be the best since the draft has gone to two rounds.

Manu also took a group of Euro players, one other part time NBA starter (Noccioni) and a couple of NBA players to an Olympic gold over a veritable NBA All Star squad. He's won at just about everything he's put his efforts to: Euroleague, Olympics, NBA. The only thing he hasn't won is the WCs. He was injured, and they didn't win. :lol What a surprise.

Ginobili>Jordan

:lmao

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Originally Posted by whottt

arguably #1 overall pick talent in some recent drafts(like last years).

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You gotta be fucking kidding me?
:dizzy

Good player...not an overall #1.

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Originally Posted by whottt

Brad Miller was also an undrafted All Star(and yes Manu is better than he is).

I'd say that since the draft was cut to 2 rounds Manu is the greatest steal...

Keep in mind though that in the era when the league was just a few teams, the NBA Draft used to be 20 rounds...there have probably been picks much later than the 2nd round to make the AS Game and perhaps even the HOF. But I can't say for certain...


What I can say is that Manu is definitely the steal in the 2 round era...

IIRC he was the second to last pick in the 99 draft...the fact that he's made an All Star Team, challenged for a finals MVP, and likely will be the 6thman of the year this year, makes him easily the steal of the modern era.

Gilbert Arenas is a stud, but I'd take Manu over him if I want to win...


I think there is a tendency to not look at what Manu is capable of on his own...because he's meshed into a team built around Duncan so well...but Manu is a franchise 2 guard and he's proven that in head to head play he can lead his team as well as Duncan.

Manu gets under-rated because of this, much like Drob did after he meshed his game around Duncan's...

Manu is definitely first round talent and arguably #1 overall pick talent in some recent drafts(like last years).

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Manu has started 36 of the 57 games he's played in. He's not getting the sixth man award this year.

And, that last comment is ridiculous. You don't look at what he's done professionally and then re-rank him in his draft class. You take the player as he was when he was drafted at 18, 19, 20, 21 years of age and the skills and potential he had then. You could argue plenty of players in the league could have been "arguably" the #1 overall pick in some drafts, like Kobe, KG, Dirk, Amare, etc. And, we don't know how good players like Tyrus Thomas, Bargnani, Rudy Gay, Brandon Roy are going to be. It's not like Manu is a 25 ppg scorer. It's not like he's a League MVP candidate. That statement was sooooo ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by JamStone

Manu has started 36 of the 57 games he's played in. He's not getting the sixth man award this year.

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36 of 59. If he comes off the bench the rest of the way, he's definitely eligible. But I think it will go to Barbosa or Lee.

If you think being a great draft day steal is a big accomplishment, just wait until you get to the "little known trivia" section.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=111979779

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Originally Posted by Que Gee

You gotta be fucking kidding me?
:dizzy

Good player...not an overall #1.

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How many #1s have become All Stars recently?

Here are the last ten #1 picks

97 Tim Duncan - first ASG 1998
98 Michael Olowokandi - none
99 Elton Brand - first ASG 2002
00 Kenyon Martin - first ASG 2004
01 Kwame Brown - none
02 Yao Ming - first ASG 2003
03 LeBron James - first ASG 2005
04 Dwight Howard - first ASG 2007
05 Andrew Bogut - none
06 Andrea Bargniani - none

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

36 of 59. If he comes off the bench the rest of the way, he's definitely eligible. But I think it will go to Barbosa or Lee.

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Are you sure? Do you know what number of games or percentage of games a player has to come off the bench in order to be eligible?

He's come of the bench 23 games then. Spurs have 18 games left. If he comes of the bench the rest of the way, that's 41 out of 76 games he would have come off the bench. Sure that would qualify him?

And, I agree that Leandro Barbosa has locked up the sixth man award for this season.

So, being an AS, he'd be in good company with most of the #1s, and better than some of the total busts like Kandi and Kwame.

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Originally Posted by JamStone

Are you sure? Do you know what number of games or percentage of games a player has to come off the bench in order to be eligible?

He's come of the bench 23 games then. Spurs have 18 games left. If he comes of the bench the rest of the way, that's 41 out of 76 games he would have come off the bench. Sure that would qualify him?

And, I agree that Leandro Barbosa has locked up the sixth man award for this season.

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I understand that you have to come off the bench for more games than you start. I haven't seen it written anywhere lately, but I heard that from quite a few people.

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Originally Posted by JamStone

Are you sure? Do you know what number of games or percentage of games a player has to come off the bench in order to be eligible?

He's come of the bench 23 games then. Spurs have 18 games left. If he comes of the bench the rest of the way, that's 41 out of 76 games he would have come off the bench. Sure that would qualify him?

And, I agree that Leandro Barbosa has locked up the sixth man award for this season.

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RIF. Kori said he was definitely eligible if he comes off the bench the rest of the way.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Manu could be a cornerstone for either of those franchises. Redd and
Arenas are good, don't get me wrong, but where, exactly, have they led their franchises? Milwaukee won't even make the playoffs. Washington will, but they probably go out in round 2.

All three are good players, but to me, what sets Manu apart is that he is about winning. He'll start or come off the bench. He'll take over a game, or sit back and feed the hot hand. Manu is a leader. He's a diamond of a SG in a chest full of NBA cubic zirconia stones.

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i don't know about that. manu plays big as long as his minutes are contained. when he plays too much, he'll contribute less. we'll probably never know, but i don't think manu can carry a team for the long haul.

It's just Wikipedia, which doesn't mean that much.

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The NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award is the award given by the National Basketball Association to the league's most valuable player for his team coming off the bench as a substitute (sixth man). To be eligible for the award, a player must come in off of the bench in more games than he starts. The winner is voted on by a group of basketball journalists.

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Originally Posted by Que Gee

I'd take Bargnani, KMart, Kwame Brown, and Olowikandi over Manu

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You go right ahead.


You can have Yao and Bogut over him too...


Stiff lover.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I understand that you have to come off the bench for more games than you start. I haven't seen it written anywhere lately, but I heard that from quite a few people.

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That is the only requirement...I saw the rule mentioned in an excerpt for previous 6th man winners. Not Wiki...

I'd never trust anything I read on Wiki without a second source.

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Originally Posted by QueGee

I'd take Bargnani, KMart, Kwame Brown, and Olowikandi over Manu

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Anyone. who in retrospect of their careers, says they would take Michael Olowokandi over Manu is just a flat out fool.

Mehmet Okur was taken 38. Nick Van Exel was taken 37.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Anyone. who in retrospect of their careers, says they would take Michael Olowokandi over Manu is just a flat out fool.

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What about before their careers started? Granted, I don't follow college or international ball very closely so I knew nothing about them, but was it foolish before their careers started to pick a big over a guard?

Draftphiles will have to examine this question, not I.

the simple fact of the matter is that Ginobili is "arguably" the greatest draft steal in History due to many, many compensating factors. Including but not limited to, NBA champ, olympic gold medalist, all star, etc.... He can create some sensational plays and he makes you want to watch him, thats whats makes him most likely the greatest draft steal, his charisma is captivating.

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Originally Posted by SRJ

What about before their careers started? Granted, I don't follow college or international ball very closely so I knew nothing about them, but was it foolish before their careers started to pick a big over a guard?

Draftphiles will have to examine this question, not I.

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That's a different discussion. What we're talking about is would Manu be a #1 pick overall, in retrospect. Then, QueGee chimed in with his foolishness about picking several known busts before Manu....