Then fill me in on why Tony became a starter on a championship team as a rookie then?Quote:
Pop plays Bowen because Pop takes seven months to figure something out and because he favors veterans.
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Then fill me in on why Tony became a starter on a championship team as a rookie then?Quote:
Pop plays Bowen because Pop takes seven months to figure something out and because he favors veterans.
Because it was between Tony or the athletic trainer....they went with the athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by cherylsteele
Actually Bowen wasn't doing great on Pierce in the first half. Pierce got several wide open looks and his shot just wasn't falling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man Mountain
Then you can argue that Bowen did a great job on Pierce in the second half. Pierce hit some amazing shots; Bowen was right in his grill on every one of them. 2 more inches would have blocked a few shots, I'm guessing
it was pierce's shots over bowen that won them the game, but other than that, celt were basically hitting open jumpers. Spurs defense SUCKED till the last 2 minutes of the third quarterQuote:
Originally Posted by v2freak
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Originally Posted by picnroll
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Originally Posted by Peter
Bowen shouldn't have gotten the ball down the stretch. And usually, he doesn't. But with the Spurs in small ball and Finley in the corner, Bowen was forced to the arch. Another reason to dislike small ball . . .
But yeah, he has to get back to being able to knock down open three pointers. That would solve a lot of his offensive problems.
Defensively, he could have been better the last couple games. But he's still a damn good defender. You can tell he's getting close to the end of his line, but he's not there yet.
1. He miss wide open shots.
2. He drive and loses ball.
3. He pass and ball gets stolen or pass into a crowed man in bad position.
4. He shoots misses.
5. Sometimes he does make a shot.
6. Gets fouled, goes to line and bricks freethrows.
Efficiency hovers around 23 percent.
This why he is wide open, other team wants him to have ball and shoot it. :bang
When do you know it is over? I know that we have talked about Bowen and a lot of people are complaining about his play. I would like to ask a serious question that needs to be discussed.
How hard and how can Pop seriously sit down and evaluate Bowen at this point in his career. He has helped us win 2 championships. When though do you say the time has come for him..
Um...right now, I'm of the mind that Pop is more done than Bowen is.
You see this is the problem. Since we have won championships in the past how hard is it for pop to give into our problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
For all the defense that Bowen brings us without his three point shot falling we have a dead spot.
Remember Game 7 against the pistons we do not win that game without Bowen hitting 2 huge threes.
Pop seems to have 2 main problems. (No it is not small ball, our bigs suck)
1. Respecting Bowen and all he has done for us.
2. Respecting Finly for signing with us last summer.
There should come a time when Pop stops this and starts going with what took us to the top. Anything to succeed.
Yes but if you put aside bruce and fin ( i think he will be ok in the PO) who will be your third perimeter guy? tony manu and then only barry?
Well thats the problem. This should have been taken cared of.
Doesn't Barry and Udrih for Maggette sound like a steal?
Pop's job is to bring the best possible lineup to win year in and year out.
Bowen has been in a decline since 2004-2005
Finley never really clicked.
But even with Bowen and Finley playing that is ok! But DO NOT TELL ME that Bowen is still a 35 minute guy!
When? His time is up!
I mean Bowen averages 2.6 rebounds a game! Thats his lowest in his Spurs career!
In the year of 2007 the age of small ball and long smalls, that rebounding number is absurd!
I don't disagree with the larger point, that the issue of Bowen's replacement should have been addressed sooner, but I'm not convinced that there is a correlation between Bowen's rebounding numbers and the Spurs' performance this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceProfits
In 2002 he averaged 2.7,
In 2003 he averaged 2.9,
In 2004 he averaged 3.1,
In 2005 he averaged 3.5,
and in 2006 he averaged 3.9 RPG.
Is that 1.3 rebounds all that separates the Spurs from some sort of consistent championship caliber play? I don't believe that.
Valid point, Pop might use Bruce as a matchup guy, depending on what happens later on with who makes the semis and finals, Bruce matches up better with some teams and is neutralized by those with fast feet and sharp shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceProfits
Which is Boston, to a tea.
Bruce is another weapon in the closet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Why Bowen?!
Aim him judiciously in the right direction and you'll hit your target.
He's gotta go to bed with that ball, 24/7 with the old ball, wearing the gym rat's shoes from '03 when he practiced for perfection.
He's pretty much there. Without hitting his outside shot at a reasonable rate his fall off in defense and lack of rebounding will be a significant part of the Spurs '06 - '07 eulogy. Hopefully Pop, with his sense of loyalty, doesn't try to squeeze another year out of Bowen as a starter. Off the bench as a spot player fine but his decline will become exponential.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Micahel Cooper, another great perimeter defender, was done at 33. Name a perimeter defesive specialist that was still there at age 36, the age Bowen will be at the start of the '07- '08 season.
I've been making this argument for months now. Walt Frazier has an interview on the net where he talks about how good teams pick out a weakness and feast on it until the other team (player) counters.
Good smart teams are going to make Bowen beat them. It is a strategy that works against our offense and also helps their defensive play.
On defense, they will position their players away from Bowen, cheating toward the paint to help out against Parker and Manu. Stop these Spurs from driving by clogging the paint and you take away a lot of our offense.
Defensively it helps them because five guys can rebound better than four. It's all part of a strategy that makes Bowen's liabilities the key to beating us. It doesn't always work, but no strategy is 100% effective.
I agree Bowen sucks big-time but his defense is getting a little better but he has become a situational player at best for maybe 16-20 minutes a game but what choice do we have to replace him? it's too late now we are stuck with this dinosaur till next season!
Fucking ingrates.
Bowen is still amazing, even if he has lost a noticable step from his younger self. I want him to retire a Spur, but I doubt putting him on the bench would maximize his effectiveness. You need energy coming off the bench, and Bowen is more of a consistency-type player.
That being said, I hope the Spurs win a title soon so Bowen can retire DRob-style
Bowen is done because he is in a shooting slump ? :lol
Bowen is fine, he is not done. He is just shooting like crap since Janaury.
Bowen 3P% :
November/December : 46/95 (48.4%)
January/February/March : 23/90 (25.6%)
I don't know if it's because of the old new ball, lack of confidence or his back injury but Bruce has still one month to get back his shooting touch.
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Originally Posted by Spurminator
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There are two banners hanging in the at&t center due in no small part to Bowen. The Spurs would be last in the league in defense and bannerless if some of you crackheads were running this team.
Fuck you. You don't deserve to be a Spurs fan. Go follow the Bobcats you pieces of shit.
The Spurs lost because they gave up two 30 point quarters and struggled on the boards again.
Bowen is what he is, a strong perimeter defender (not a shut-down defender, that doesn't exist) whose shot can't be counted on.
And he'll be that in the play-offs. How far this team goes depends on the rest of the team playing defense and rebounding and somebody other than Timmy, Manu, and Tony doing a little bit on offense.