Printable View
So you think he was absolutely great in the 2-for-9 game? He got some boards, but turned the ball over, fouled a bit, and looked pretty much useless to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
My point wasn't to bash Howard at all; he's one of my top 5 favorite players not on the Spurs. I was just pointing out that every player in the NBA has off nights.
The Spurs Big 3's off nights may look worse because they don't have much to offer outside the Big 3.
Tony is a better defender than people give him credit for. He is every bit as good a player as Terry with half the EGO.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Spurs big 3 > Mavs big 3
Spurs rest of team <<<<< Mavs rest of team
too bad he dissapears when it matters most. thats the 1 reason why I will take Terry over Parker. Parker is as good or better than Terry in every area except shooting, and clutchness.
I never once said he was absolutely great in that game. But he did make a few plays that did help us well, and I thought did a solid job on Lebron. he guarded him well when on him, and did a good job of doubling him when he wasnt his man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
im just saying that he is much more capable of contributing to the team when he isnt scoring, as opposed to Parker.
Mavs-Spurs Series 2006 (with Parker on one leg)Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Parker - 20.1 ppg, 3.1 apg, 42%
Terry - 19.7 ppg, 3.2 apg, 43%
Parker had absolutely no lift in the Mavs series, but managed 20 ppg (I realize that some games he was horrible and that his shooting percentage sucked, going down to Terry-esque level but that's what happens when you can barely walk).
Parker in the Kings series 22ppg/5apg/51%.
right now, the Mavs Big 3 are a little better I think.
But there's a big difference between Regular Season Duncan and Playoff Duncan.
There's not much difference between Regular Season Dirk and Playoff Dirk.
he didnt look like he could barely walk. if someone can barely walk, they would not play. no excuses like that. either way, who was the one making the big shots when they mattered most? Terry? or Parker?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
He was almost scratched in two games of the Mavs series because he couldn't walk the night before. Trainers got him ready enough to get on the court. That's a pretty well known fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Go watch the tape of the Kings series and the Mavs series and look at Parker's lift. He had very little lift at all in Mavs series. He got injured twice - end of Kings series, beginning of Mavs series.
I am not giving an excuse for anything. The better team won. I'm explaining why his shooting percentage sucked and went down to Terry's level.
Ok. Still, my question was, who made the big plays when they mattered most? Parker? Or Terry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Terry made tons of big shots, but he also missed a big one at the end of game 5, along with making the mistake of putting his hand into a fist as he tapped Finley's shorts. Oh brother, I don't want a shitload of responses. How about this "made the mistake of dealing a deathblow to Finley's crotch"Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
or perhaps you dont want to credit that Harris and the Mavs defended him well. whether he was hurt or not... i also saw that the Mavs did a good job of swarming him when he tried to get in the paint, and that Harris was frustrating him and making good plays. that injury is not the sole reason that he didnt shoot well that series. the Mavs did a better job of keeping him out of the paint, and forcing him to shoot more jumpers, which hes obviously not very consistent at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
and I dont recall Parker making any big shots, period. it was all Duncan and Ginobili.Quote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
I didn't discredit the Mavs, I'm sure they were part of it. I just know how hurt he was, so Pop told him to shoot 20-25 times a game and keep after it.
His jumpshot gets better and better all the time. We'll see what happens this year.
I certainly hope the Spurs-Mavs series happens. And hopefully one of the Spurs big men will step up and be able to stay on the court. Because of the Spurs have to go small again, Mavs will win for sure.
Yea, I hope they meet again. It should be another good series, with some great basketball played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
I wasn't aware Kori JHo was in a bit of a slump
I got league pass 2 months ago so I try to watch as many Mavs games as I can if the Spurs game isn't on.
But yeah, like I said back on page 1, if Jho's shot isn't falling at least he contributes in other ways. if parker's scoring isn't there, he doesn't do much else really.
and I agree that small ball in the potential mavs series would pretty much be us raising the white flag
Your forgot Bruce. No wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by mardigan
No I didnt forget him, I was talking more about offensively, but I guess your right, I should have included himQuote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
It's difficult to comare these guys, but I'll give it a shot.
Dirk is a far better perimeter shooter than Tim, but Tim has better low-post moves and is a better defender. Dirks life in the NBA is pretty easy because he's usually guarded by a much smaller defender and he seems to get a free pass on the defensive side.
Jet is a better perimeter shooter than Tony, but Tony is quicker and gets more penetration. Tony's jump shot is improving, but he still doesn't pose a serious 3-point threat, which could really spread the floor.
Manu and Howard, statistically, are very similar. I think Howard averages a lot more minutes/game. I do give an edge to Manu because of slightly better 3pt FG percentage and his sick moves. Howard is more of a good, fundamental basketball player.
Harris >>>> BarryQuote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Stack >>>> Finley
Damp < Bowen
Mavs still win.
IMO, Manu is a better scorer and is mentally stronger (mainly due to having much more basketball experience) while Howard is a better all-around player.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I agree with people saying the Spurs top 3 are pretty even with the Mavs top 3. You could argue the Spurs top 3 are better, but I wouldn't spend much time arguing if someone said the Mavs top 3 are better. Whatever. But take the top 3 out of the picture and you get basically the rest of the Mavs rotational guys are better. 4-8 or 4-9, they are overall better. Or at least those 4-9 "matchup" better against our 4-9 that makes it hard for us to keep up sometimes.
The key in another series (if we are lucky to make it to the WCF) is going to be the matchups we use regarding those other players. Guys like Bowen, Harris, Stack, Elson/Obertp (defensively), DGeorge, Buck, Fin and Barry, etc. Can Horry make an impact or is he done? Will Bonner have a role or not?
TD and Dirk dont matchup against each other. Last year we went with Bowen on Dirk. What happened? Dirk got his averages, better than average probably. Got to the line. But where he can hurt us is with his rebounding. As it is, Bowen cant rebound to save his life, but against a 7 footer? But I think Pop has learned his lesson and sees this was not the way to go. Why?
With Bowen on Dirk, Dirk wasn't gonna get slowed down anyway and now Howard had someone much smaller than him on him and actually became more of a scorer in that series and killed us with timely rebounds. So, I am betting this year Pop goes with Elson/Oberto on Dirk. Maybe even Horry in small stretches or Bonner if he's playing. But basically give him the bigger body. Dirk will probably get his anyway but a bigger body to keep him off the boards. But even better, keep Bowen on Howard which might be the defensive matchup that decides the next series.
This is the way I see it going, if Pop has learned from last year:
Terry - Barry/Manu. Don't put TP on him if at all possible, I think Terry's shown he's too big. I don't understand why Manu couldn't spend more time trying to slow him down last year. Was he too busy with Howard? That was a bad matchup for us. :-(
Harris - TP and Vaughn. Harris is a guy that can actually keep up with him? I think healthy TP will prove that's not quite the case. I hope anyway. But check this out. With Harris and Terry, throw out TP and Manu. With Harris and not Terry, get Vaughn out there! I think he can be a big role player in that series. I don't think Beno gets in. That's too bad, we could use his shooting.
Howard - Bowen. Bowen needs to have one job, Eliminate Howard's impact on the game. Treat him like Kobe, TMac, LeBron... ok, not TMac and LeBron, but VC, Kobe, Marion, etc.
Any lame center - TD. TD averaged what in last years series? Yeah, that was on a bum foot. He looks deadly this year and we might see another vintage performance from him.
Dirk - Elson/Oberto. Yeah, our own lame centers. Sure. But stay big on him.
When they go really small with Dirk at center? TD and him will basically become unstopable. Whichever coach flinches first and can't stomach that will lose. :-)
Other keys? George, Buckner. They are the new dimension this year. Will be interesting how they impact the series if we are lucky enough to see another one.
^^Damn that was long, top 3 I think is pretty even, both ways, I think Tim and Dirk cancell each other out, Terry and Tony cancel each other out, and Manu and Josh cancel each other out.
^^ Hehe, sorry about that. I couldn't stop typing.
Oh, but I don't think Manu has to cancel out Howard IF Bowen slows down Howard and makes his scoring impact low. Then Manu can cancel out the Mavs bench scorer (probably Stack). I like that better.