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This is my first post, so i thought i'd have a good one.
Espn news just reported Artest is gone for the season, SJax got 30 games, J O'neal 25, Wallace 6 games, and that there were a few 1 gamers (Reggie Miller, Derrick Coleman to name a couple). I'm not sure of the rest, I'll throw them out when I hear them.
Stern is supposed to give a little announcement at Madison Square Garden in a little bit, and they will have that on ESPN News as well
Good. Wallace got too many though.
nice, i like it
Thanks for posting. Welcome to the Forum.
Anthony Johnson also got 5 games
Stern will be on in thirty minutes according to ESPN News, which should make that about 5:30m central.
WOW thirty games, no more complaing about free time to promote the cd. I'm sure a grievance will be filed now by the players assosciation.
He is saying that Artest got the rest of the season -- not 30 games.Quote:
WOW thirty games, no more complaing about free time to promote the cd
The suspensions sound about right to me. Artest should be gone for the season.
It is very disappointing that the NBA didn't take a stand against the Pistons fans though. They have basically given the green light to all other NBA fans that they can do whatever they want, without consequence.
Overall, the NBA was very soft on this issue.
Kick him out of the league for all I care.
J O'Neal should have gotten an extra 20 because he did something that stupid.
stephen jackson should of gotten more.
ben wallace got too many.
but other than that its good.
i made vbookie money, i'm happy.
This appears to be the final word. I think those suspensions are about right. There was no way Artest should have been allowed to play again this season. Jackson gets a lesser penalty because he was perhaps trying to help Artest, but he still violated the golden rule and should face a severe penalty for that. I think the suspension for O'Neal is a bit light, given his haymaker to the fan, but the league may have taken into account the fact that the fan was on the floor.
The players are made accountable for their actions -- not only in personal economic terms, but also in terms of the negative impact to their team and its fans. Had the league gone softer on this, the deterrent effect would have been nil.
Now, the league needs to seriously fine the Pistons and mandate that the fans who were involved in this fracas are to never be admitted to any NBA arena ever again.
I don't think the investigation of the fans is over yet.Quote:
It is very disappointing that the NBA didn't take a stand against the Pistons fans though. They have basically given the green light to all other NBA fans that they can do whatever they want, without consequence.
yep, Wallace got screwed. Only a single shove, equivalent to a flagrant foul. 1 game suspension for BW would have been fair.
edit: OK Kori, for all that I didn't know about, Ben got his desserts.
Punish all fans because of a couple? Dumb. Apparently the NBA thought so too.
If you're going to talk about the rivalry between these two teams, I guess it will have to be put on hold as the Pistons are definately coming out ahead on this.
While I don't condone what the fan did, you could say that he has done more than any other fan to help his team win by helping Artest find his way out for the year.
I guess the Heat are the only other team left in the East that should give the Pistons a run for their money.
Who needs an investigation Kori?
Ban all Pistons fans from the stadium for several games. The organization has to be punished for this incident as well. The players have to be protected.
Wallace did more than just the initial shove. He continued taunting Artest when he was laying down. He threw a towel at him. And he went into the stands.
I thought he'd get five games. So six isn't that bad.
Reggie Miller got suspended one game. So did Chauncey Billups, and a few others as well.
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Originally Posted by adidas11
Only two or three Piston fans did anything wrong. When the players run into the stands, they are free game.
Punished because of the actions of 3 fans? Just dumb.
you know what
pacers are actually better off without artest
he cost them last year in playoffs
they do not have worry about his stupid stuff
if
You can't ban all the fans for the actions of a few.Quote:
Ban all Pistons fans from the stadium for several games. The organization has to be punished for this incident as well. The players have to be protected.
You want to hurt the organization?? Start taking away picks.
Nope, there were fans who were also coming out on to the floor, confronting players. And a LOT of fans were throwing shit directly at the players.
See what happened to AS Roma in the Champions League.
The NBA was EXTREMELY soft on this issue. Pathetic.
I understand they are investigating all fans that were on camera doing any of these things. Even if 1,000 fans were at fault, you can't deny the whole fan base.Quote:
Nope, there were fans who were also coming out on to the floor, confronting players. And a LOT of fans were throwing shit directly at the players.
It was hard to tell by the video, but it looked like Rasheed Wallace might have been up in the stands too (although maybe just to break stuff up). I take it he didn't get a fine or suspension?
Oh give it a rest already about your soccer example. Artest was hit with plastic cup full of beer thrown by one fan. Fuck, I don't recall you ever having a problem with Jack Nicholson walking on the floor. Damn you are a fucking dumbass.
the only question i have is.... is artest suspended for just the season... or for the playoffs too?
dude after the players went after fans
fans have the right to defend themselves
nba is not soccer
it runs how it runs
it has been very successfull
much more then soccer
I think you take the first round draft pick from pacers so they do not tank
even though it will be tough for the pacers to reach the playoffs now
The NBA is soccer. Those Euro soccer fans are crazy. They kill each other after games. In South America, they kill the players.
Let us know when something like that happens in the NBA.
The fans didn't get out of hand until Artest and Jack decided to run into the stands. Small wonder, considering that fans were being beat up by them.
It looks like I'm getting under Marcus's skin. And very easily, I might add.
The fans have no right to throw shit, or to come out on the floor. As the home organization, the Pistons have to be punished. An example must be set that this type of behaviour is not appropriate.
Marcus, you're making yourself look like an ass, throwing childish taunts for no reason. No wonder GhostWriter has historically ripped you apart on these message boards.
Jack Nicholson walking on the floor.
had the nba had the nerve to throw him out
the piston fan might have not done what he did
but he thought if he could go on the court and get away without stupid stuff why not him
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does Jack Nicholson have the right to walk on the court?
When you continually repeat a nonsensical argument like that then prepared to be called on it. It's also not surprising that you have found Ghost's arguments compelling. Notice how practically no one in this forum has agreed with you? Stick to soccer, for you don't know shit about the NBA.
You might as well punish fans in San Antonio, Los Angeles, and Portland, too. They had just as much to do with the fiasco as most of the fans in Detroit did.
If you want to blindly accuse ten year old kids and upstanding fans of wrongdoing and punish them accordingly, go ahead. I'll go with punishing the fans that actually were involved. There were many fans involved, and the league should work as hard as it can to make sure that as many of those fans as possible get the harshest penalty allowed.
Why are you accusing ten year old kids in the upper deck of wrongdoing? Your position on this issue makes absolutely no sense.
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just wait tell the criminal charges come out against oneal,jackson and maybe ron
NBA suspends Artest for rest of season
Associated Press
NEW YORK - Ron Artest was suspended for the rest of the season Sunday as the NBA came down hard on three members of the Indiana Pacers for fighting with fans when a melee broke out at the end of a game against the Detroit Pistons.
Overall, nine players from the teams were banned for 143 games, including some of the harshest penalties the league ever issued. Artest is the first player to be suspended for nearly an entire season for a fight during a game.
Indiana's Stephen Jackson was suspended for 30 games and Jermaine O'Neal for 25. Detroit's Ben Wallace - whose shove of Artest after a foul led to the 5-minute fracas - drew a six-game ban, while Pacers guard Anthony Johnson got five games.
Four players were suspended for a game apiece: Indiana's Reggie Miller, and Detroit's Chauncey Billups, Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman.
All of the suspensions are without pay.
Artest, O'Neal and Jackson - who all threw punches at fans in the stands or on the court at the end of the nationally televised Pacers-Pistons game Friday night - began serving their suspensions Saturday. Indiana, limited to just six players because of the suspensions and injuries, dropped an 86-83 decision to Orlando.
I'm watching ESPNNews right now, and Mark Jackson is saying that the fans behaviour was unacceptable. And the NBA must take a stand against the fans as well, and HE is calling for some appropriate action by the league.
But you're right MarcusBryant, because Mark Jackson doesn't know shit about the NBA either (he only played in the league for 15 years or so), and you as a Monday Morning quarterback fan (who has probably never played a sport in his life) know so much more than he does.
I think the piston fans that are responisble and threw stuff should be banned from going to all sport games not just nba
I thought Fred Jones and Tinsley might get a couple games. But I guess Jones just got his ass kicked, and I guess The Janitor got off the hook.
The reason he is advancing this argument is because he wanted to play show and tell with the soccer example.
How The F Did Sjax Get Off So Lightly???
Everyone is calling for action against the fans. But not against ALL the fans.Quote:
I'm watching ESPNNews right now, and Mark Jackson is saying that the fans behaviour was unacceptable. And the NBA must take a stand against the fans as well, and HE is calling for some appropriate action by the league.
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you know most nba players are saying it is the fans fault
all espn did because they were former players
not a very srong agrument addias
Uh oh, lil' adidas is getting mad. Mark Jackson is sticking up for the players...small surprise.
So the player's opinion isn't valid?
Marcus, instead of crying and whining about my posts, why don't you come up with any suggestions about what the NBA should do about the fans? Try to add something valuable to this conversation, for once. Hopefully, with your extensive knowledge of the NBA, you can come up with something.
:wow
Im surprised Stern actually had the balls to suspend Artest the whole season.
The suspensions are pretty in line with what I personally thought but I really thought Stern would try to rationalize lower suspensions with the ESPN shootaround arguement (ie it was also the fans faults)
Major props to Stern and the NBA
You still haven't explained why you think the rumble was the fault of a three year old kid sitting in the upper deck. And you still haven't explained why the NBA should punish that three year old fan sitting in the upper deck for attending a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by adidas11
Common sense reveals that the guilty parties should be punished. I mean, Ted Kaczinsky got the death penalty...should all white males be killed just because one did something bad?
The real losers of the whole situation where the children in the audience who witnessed the disgraceful event. To hell with the suspended, they will continue to prosper without any real consequences regardless of these suspensions.
my idea would be that the next time these 2 teams play eachother in detroit.. they should have to play in an empty arena, punish the organization by making them refund the ticket prices, followed by no beer sale allowed for the rest of the season, i dont know if its possible, but if it is, that would be my idea
Perhaps, shoe, because I already have. Your argument is silly and apparently I'm not in the minority in this forum who feels that way, not by a long shot.
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Forget that. Don't punish the entire fan base. Punish those responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
If you want to punish the organization, force them to have to give away all tickets and refund all pre-purchased tickets for the next five games. The fans could win tickets in some sort of lottery process. The fans get to attend, some lower income individuals get to see a game, and the Pistons lose five games-worth of revenue.
"to play in an empty arena"
Yep. has happened serveral times in European football matches to chastize hooligans on both sides. hits the team's revenue pretty hard.
I can go along with that idea Brodels. It sounds good to me.
Marcus, you're not adding anything to this conversation. Next. Because it looks like several posters are also agreeing with me, along with many notable and recognized sportscasters and NBA players.
i believe you have to punish everyone in attendance, because obviously u arent gonna be able to punish every exact person who participated, i think u have to punish everyone
Why would you punish people who saved money to buy season tickets to watch games with their kids and had nothing to do with the melee?
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I do not think any completly agrees with you
I do not
I think all want the fan who threw liquid on ron be punished though
Stern is on now.
Kori, it's a situation where a few bad apples ruin the whole lot for everyone else. Now, do I think the NBA would have the balls to actually go through with my suggestion? Of course not. But a message has to be sent that this type of behaviour is not appropriate by the fans, whatsoever.
It's not like sports fans haven't been punished in such a way before. So there is definitely a precedence for it.
It looks like Stern is taking a stand against the fans right now live in the press conference. Of course, it's just talk, so hopefully he'll follow up with action as well.
Oh, you found one poster and a bunch of players who predictably are siding with the players. I know you can't handle the fact that I and others have eviscerated your lame ass arguments. I've brought plenty, you've brought nothing.
I agree with this punishment. I don't think you should punish all the fans, just the ones who threw things. Ban them for the season.
Punish those responsible....take away picks from the Pacers and fine the Piston organization as long as you can find deficiencies in the security contract between the NBA and the Palace at Auburn Hills. If the Pistons were compliant with all security measures there should be a complete overhaul on how security is directed on all NBA teams. This is horrible and I'm embarrassed to be a fan right now. Punks all of them...maybe they should make fighting legal in the NBA like in Hockey and punish each players 5 games if they want to fight. Maybe that will get the aggression out, but this is getting out of hand. It's this gangsta mentally that has seaped into this game and the NBA is promoting it unknowingly.
All of these are good ideas for punishment for the city of Detroit, but remember that this city is home of the defending NBA champions, with lots of TV time and exposure this season. And that a couple hundred out of the 20,000 attending deserve punishment, not the whole fan base. They'll let the cops deal with the fans, the NBA did their part with the players.
It's completely unfair and poor business to make the Pistons play in an empty arena. How many of you guys know people that never went to a Spurs game until they won the title in '99?
Marcus, I've used a previous case as precedence. Now, whether or not you agree with it is for another matter. But I'm using facts. You're just sitting there whining and crying, as usual.
Anyhow, you're entitled to your opinion. No harm done.
One fan threw a fucking beer. In a plastic cup. One fan. Give me a break. All you bring is some lame example from Europe where fans throw real shit, not refreshments.
Punish that fan. No need to punish all fans for the actions of one. Going by your logic, all players on the court should have been punished for the actions of the few.
What previous case in the NBA? Thank you.
Nope, a fan threw a chair, a couple of fans came out on the floor, etc. It was more than just throwing a cup of Bud Light.
well it punishes the fan base as a whole, sending a message that nothing like this will be tolerated.Quote:
Why would you punish people who saved money to buy season tickets to watch games with their kids and had nothing to do with the melee?
Why in college basketball to they punish kids on a team like michigan for a mistake chris webber made 10 years ago?
why does a team like minnesota get punished for somethin between an exec. and joe smith? why not just punish to the 2 involved?
Im only saying make it 1 game they cant go to, make either the detroit team or/and the indiana team refund all ticket prices, hell make the players pay the refunds, either way you know how heavily secured the next pacer piston game in detroit would have to be? would you want to take ur kids to a game where emotions will be flying as high as that?
By the way, you have to be out of your fucking mind anyone to jump into a hostile crowd in Detroit unarmed.
Previous case in sports. Thank you. Right now Stern is talking about future actions/punishments against the fans.
You're not using facts and logic. Also, you are "whining and crying" as much as you seem to think I am. Give it a rest already. Your argument has been made in this forum already again and again. We don't need to see it for the 50th fucking time.
Again, Artest went into the crowd because the fan threw a plastic cup at him. That's what started it. At least get your "facts" correct.
adidass11 you still have not answered if it was right what jack nickson did
Sure, individual fans who were involved face criminal investigation. "Previous case in sports"? Weak, to say the least. This is the US and this is pro basketball.
Try again.
Good job, Mike Monroe. Getting a question in with Stern.
Jack was being Jack....it's totally different, he wasn't taunting the players...I agree he probably should be been told to move..but it's LA, ratings and he's been a season ticket holder for like 20+ years.
Who is talking about Artest? He was punished accordingly for what he did. And I fully agreed with that punishment?
Marcus, I've gotten under your skin (even when I wasn't trying to! LOL) Accept it.
Wrong line of thinking, bro. UM and the T'Wolves were punished as organizations. Actual games weren't shut down or anything, just administative penalties like loss of schollys, draft picks, etc. It affected the quality of the product, but it wasn't taken away. The only real time a fanbase has been punished for the actions of players was SMU and the death penalty.Quote:
well it punishes the fan base as a whole, sending a message that nothing like this will be tolerated. Why in college basketball to they punish kids on a team like michigan for a mistake chris webber made 10 years ago? why does a team like minnesota get punished for somethin between an exec. and joe smith? why not just punish to the 2 involved?
I'm shocked. I didn't think Stern had the balls for this.
Yes, I find your repetition of a weak argument annoying. This isn't the first time you have managed to annoy people in this forum with weak takes, as timvp will attest.
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that is the problem
the nba did nothing then had it i
it would have sent a message to fans
Well I'm not! I'm a fan of basketball and the San Antonio Spurs and neither gives me any reasons to be embarassed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medvedenko
What the players AND fans did Friday in Detroit is despicable but I'm not going to let a few nutcases take away the good times and pride I've enjoyed - and probably will again - while being a basketball fan.
Is it a shame? of course it is! Was it bad for the NBA? Yes it was! Does it tarnish the sport? To a certain degree it did!
But none of this should make any (none beer throwing) fan feel embarassed or ashamed that she or he is a fan of the greatest team sport on the planet.
He definitely interfered with a game once.
I don't recall you getting pissed because Jack Nicholson would run on the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by adidas11
To an extent I will say the league got what it asked for, with its incessant promotion of the "thug" mentality.
damn dude... watch the replay... i see a father having to use himself as a shield over his son, so his son doesnt get hit w/any flying debri, i think u cannot have 1000's of fans throwing anything they can get there hands on, especially with children in the arena, how are u gonna punish everyfan involved???? if you punish all the fans, every single person who threw somethin will get the message
What did Stern say?
Stern didn't announce a punishment for all Piston fans tonight, so there likely won't be any. Individual fans will likely be dealt with.
Quote: "I don't recall you getting pissed because Jack Nicholson would run on the floor."
:)
And if my posts were so unworthy, then why is MarcusBryant so vehemently arguing against it, taking it personally as well.
Of course, David Stern, was just this moment talking about a possible future action (he did say that as of right now, he just didn't know) against the Pistons organization and the fans.
If I'm so wrong, then why is it that everyone associated with the game also agreeing with me (of course, not entirely agreeing with me, but agreeing with certain parts of my argument)?
they agree with you one 1%
and you feel you are so right?
I'm in this thread because the newsconference is on. I don't recall seeing anyone "associated with the game" say that all of the Piston fans should be punished.
Sure, individual fans should be punished if they throw stuff on the court and run on the court. That's always been the case. Get a fucking clue.
And just this second, David Stern mentioned that he was OK "losing some of those fans" in order to rid the games of the bad element.
But Marcus is right, David Stern has no idea of what he's talking about.
The suspensions are legit...I'm ok for it. It's too bad for the Pacer fans, as they had nothing to do with this issue. It indeed is a sad day, will it get better, of course. The season is long, and we'll see many positives this year. This will be a stainded footnote, but I like what the NBA has done.
Chritmas Day:
Lakers VS Heat MSTV.
And just this moment, Stern is mentioning the soccer example that I used earlier. Stern said that he hopes that he doesn't have to do that in the future, but he would also look into it further to use as an example.
Of course, like Marcus said, my soccer example had no place in this thread, whatsoever.
George Karl just addressed this. Punishment for individual fans may be increased according to what he has heard.
End of discussion.
[B]i truly think that jackson deserves more, because he charged into the crowd throwing wild slaps and punches like the little fool that he is, and noone did anything to him to make him react like bitch
plus, he needs to cut his gay ass hair cut................
WTF? Can you even read? No one is arguing that individual fans who throw things and disrupt games shouldn't be punished. That's never been my argument.
Marcus Bryant just put him on your ignore list
adidas11 you need chill