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The call on Stephen Jakson was bull shit.
"My mouth didn't open. I didn't say anything," he said. "If somebody wants to take that another way just because I'm Stephen Jackson, then so be it. But I was just getting my team motivated for the home game. I didn't say anything, I didn't do anything and I don't feel like I should've gotten kicked out."
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The players needs to take a stand against the NBA.
Where and how does it stop?
Chuck said he wasn't looking at the ref...how do we know that?
do you have a tv? he was not looking at the ref.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
Refs have been shitty for these later games in round 1.
I am not a fan of Golden State, but I love the game, calls like this make the game hard to watch.
Stephen Jackson claps his hands and Jason Terry made a hard foul on the sideline.
Let the men play ball or call the game the same for every player.
I hope the league comes down on Jason Terry also, he should not be playing in the next game.
Yeah, I thought for sure that little stunt he pulled would have him suspended for at least the next game. But so far, no such news that I can find.Quote:
Originally Posted by carib
Funny though, how Davis and Jackson both seem to have to leave the game right at crunch time, twice now. Are the refs trying to insure Dallas doesn't get totally embarrased?
And this isn't "Jets" first infraction in a playoff game that is close. I think he should be suspended for the remainder of the playoffs.
I didn't see the foul he committed, but suspended for the remainder of the playoffs? That seems a tad harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGambler
This is one of the best Playoff seasons in years, please call the game right, and the same for all players and teams.
Make it the same for all the teams, a 1 or 8 seed.
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Originally Posted by LEONARD
give it a rest already........I thought we heard you on the last issue.....Mavs are the best...mavs don't commit fouls etc.....
I could care less about the mavs warriors series and saw the tail end of the game last night......i saw jax being Teeeeed for clapping.....i dunno what it is about all this bull happening @ AA arena.......REFS are prolly escorted by cuban through the BACK DOOR or something ......... :p:
Without a doubt it was a BS call/ejection but since Baron had been ejected for basically doing the same thing he should have not tempted fate. Nellie was obviously pissed off at him in that he volunteered to the press that he was fining him a substantial amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by carib
Regardless of it being a BS call, it just shows you how retarded SJax is. The dude has some serious mental issues.
This will probably start up the old rumors that the refs follow League instructions in to favor teams with bigger TV markets in their officiating.
GS is probably a dead duck if Jackson can't play.
Yes. How is clapping your hands worthy of an ejection, but physically bodyslamming another player is not?Quote:
Originally Posted by carib
He basically grabbed Davis and body slammed him to the floor, after the Mavs lost the ball out of bounds. I was surprised they didn't toss him right then.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
And Monday night, with Mello throwing two elbows at Bowen and then finally being called for a foul after hitting Oberto with a third elblow.......I thought throwing an elblow was an automatic expulsion off the floor???? Did they toss that rule out this year? Or is is because it was "Melo" they just called an offensive foul and let him stay in the game?
Spurs are having to put up with some pretty rough calls. Don't know if Pop has told them just to play through it or what, but it does seem to be the order of the day. No whining about no calls. Just back down the floor and get on defense. Unlike the regular season where they wanted to take the time to jaw at the ref while the other team was scoring down the floor. Looks like they have gotten that part of their game together now too.
If I was the Commish, I would be asking that same question of the refs. And I would be taking some action against them as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
That's twice now they have taken GSWs best players off the floor in crunch time.
Almost makes one wonder just WTF is going on up there.
The replay was from a mile away...there is NO WAY to know which way his eyes were looking...Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Come down on Terry for Davis's flop and acting job? Even Davis was laughing about it afterwards...Quote:
Originally Posted by carib
[QUOTE=LilMissSPURfect]give it a rest already........I thought we heard you on the last issue.....Mavs are the best...mavs don't commit fouls etc...]/QUOTE]
WTF are you talking about exactly?? :wtf
Body slamming... :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
Unbelievable...
Wow... :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SAGambler
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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
I agree with you here. Terry should be suspended for what he did to Davis. I saw a video of it on Phxsuns.net and it was intentional and around the head.
Go to Phxsuns.net and see the video of Terry's actions. If you call that a flop by Davis than you just cannot see past your nose.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
It looked like there may have been some floppery there. I'd be surprised to see a suspension come of it. It'll give the Warriors that much more of a chip on their shoulders. We saw what they did in Game 3 after they felt the refs jobbed them.
What is unbelieveable is that you can "spin" it to make Terry the "victim". Davis probably got up laughing because he couldn't believe Terry was still in the game. In fact, it's a wonder they didn't toss him for laughing.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
And if it was so unbelieveable, why was a TF called on Terry...?
Open your eyes......Terry ain't no saint.....In fact he is a no class cunt that can't stand competition......See.....he is entitled to win.
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1. Baron Davis initiated the contact
2. Terry did reach around the back of his head, so why did Davis fall in that direction? Did Terry palm his neck and pull him down?? :lol
3. Terry did NOT "body slam" "leg sweep" or "pile drive" him like I'm reading here
4. Davis flopped AND grabbed his head...he sold it. Him and Terry were both being punks.
5. It's common sense people...it takes MUCH more than that to take a guy like Baron Davis down, especially when you consider the size difference between the 2 players.
Mavs homer strikes again.
I don't know, Leonard. This is the first time I'm seeing it, and I must say, that's some pretty damning video.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
In what way? Explain to me how Terry could put his hand on the back of Davis' neck and pull him to the ground???Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
To me, before the video is zoomed in, it looks like Terry uses his knees in a way to help knock him off his feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
Again, that's my take...it doesn't look innocent.
To me it looks like he Cup's his hand around Davis' Neck and other arm (can't really tell, but) appears to be around the waist areaQuote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't see that at all. He would've had to put one leg behind Davis and put push on his throat to even come close to making Davis do what he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFanFirst
Look at Davis holding his face on the ground...wtf?
and none of that (even if true) is going to allow Terry to do that to Davis...Quote:
Originally Posted by Taco
Davis a hoss...he sold it completely...
Charles Barkley was right about one thing he said on Monday.........Mavs in 7!
This shows that the NBA was wrong about calling techs on complaining players. You end up having the refs deciding games based on who they think is showing them up, including laughing and clapping and looking at them.
^That seems to be the impossible dream in the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by carib
It is notable that once the writing was on the wall that the Mavs were about to be eliminated in 5 games (thus depriving the NBA of much needed big ratings for Game 6 and/or 7) every single call and no call went the Mavs way until the outcome was decided.
Just atrocioius officiating from Bernie Fryer and Kenny "Slick" Maurer in particular. Just awful and it decided the game and maybe the series.
The no call on Nowitzki's OBVIOUS hack of Richardson with 22 seconds left was the single worst no call or bad call of the playoffs so far. And that is saying something as the officiating (as usual) has been biased and atrocious.
Have you ever been pushed or knocked off balance when you weren't expecting it? It's not difficult to take someone down. You don't need to be a big fellow to take someone down who's going for a basketball and has no idea it's coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
That's just how Terry stops fast breaks. Po little baby really didn't do anything out of the ordinary......
Someone needs laser eye surgery.....
My uncle outweighs me by 140 pounds and I would have no problem putting him on his ass if I caught him unawares. Nice try, though. You're definitely unbiased in the situation. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
Yep. This has gone way too far. Now the refs ego is what decides games.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurster
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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
I'm not saying that you have to be bigger than somebody to take them down, even if they're not expecting it. I'm saying that what Terry did was nothing compared to Davis' reaction / flop and then holding of his face to sell what was happening. They were both being punks, but there is NO WAY Terry should be suspended for this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
If Terry stuck his leg behind him and shoved him (in the chest or throat!) and put him on his ass I'd be the first to say that it was a stupid move and he should be suspended. This is a complete joke and I can't believe that people can't see what happened.
and even if davis flopped, what is terry doing grabbing him by the neck when the ball is out of play? i think thats the main thing that makes it suspension worthy
that's completely idiotic. he may have pushed davis, but his goal wasn't attacking davis (unlike the nut-punch). he was trying to get around davis. i'd feel a one game suspension would be the harshest i could go. maybe not even that, i have to see it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGambler
Davis bumped into him slightly and Terry reached around to try to get around him in a crowded space...Quote:
Originally Posted by diego
Terry pushes a dude into the ground ... whether he was trying to get up, or it was intentional - it shouldn't have happened. He's becoming more dirty, nut-punching Finley last year, and this? Suspension please.
How can you push a dude backwards to the ground with your hand BEHIND them? :dizzyQuote:
Originally Posted by enigma
Quit defending Jason Terry. He should not have done that in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
Great all the Mav fans are back, just cause they escaped with a win. Anyway if the refs want to throw players out for laughing and clapping. then y can't they throw out a player who pushed Baron down the way JT did. To me a player giving that kind of physical contact, is 10 times worse then clapping... but thats just me....
Yes, Terry shouldn't have put his arm behind Davis and Davis shouldn't have tried to go thru him to get to the ball. Neither gave ground and both were being punks, but Terry did NOT push him down...Quote:
Originally Posted by jmard5
I never left...Quote:
Originally Posted by spursfan09
Maybe you can explain to me how it's physically possible to push somebody down backwards with your arm behind them... :wtf
Why explain when we have a video to prove that he did it?
I seriously wish all the Mavs fans would dissapear from the forums ...
You are missing my point. even if JT wasn't strong enough to push him down in the first place.. physical contact against players that is intentional like that should be punished, if clapping and laughing is going to punished by being thrown out.
The only video I've seen shows a wicked flop by Davis...maybe there is another that I'm missing?Quote:
Originally Posted by enigma
Terry didn't initiate the contact out of bounds...him and Davis both intentionally contacted the other IMO. (ie, they were being punks...like I've been saying)Quote:
Originally Posted by spursfan09
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Originally Posted by spursfan09
It was punished, he received a technical.
If anyone should be suspended its the f-ing refs who gave Baron his 5th and 6th foul, that changed the game immensely and both calls were horrendous.
No its obvious to see that JT was the main culprit, I'm not gonna say antyhing anymore because as a Mav fan you are gonna see what you wanna see, and secondly I don't really care who is being thrown out of games between the Mavs and Warriors when it comes down to it, I am a spurs fan. If JT did this to someone like Manu or Tony then I would be taking it alot more serious.
be punished by recieving an ejection just like when somebody claps or laughs. I thought I was obvious in what I was trying to say but I guess not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Why do you want to compound the problem of ridiculous ejections for clapping?
Thats a good point, S-Jax gets two t's for laughing and clapping, terry gets one t for throwing a player on the floor (intentional or not), something smells rottenQuote:
Originally Posted by spursfan09
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Originally Posted by SAGambler
Davis fouled out of last night's game. Are you saying that we should change the rules for him to allow him to play with six fouls?
Give it up. Don't you know by now that if the Mavs win, it must be because of the refs. :rolleyes There's no point in arguing it with most of these posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
Well, as I told SFIE just now - you are entitled to your (wrong) opinion.
I do not, however, think it is suspension worthy.
Oh, I'm fully aware of that little bit by Spurs fans...Quote:
Originally Posted by mabber
I'm just glad the video could stop the talk of "body slams" "pile drivers" and "leg sweeps" :lol
:dizzy
No he is saying that the last two fouls on Davis were bullshit, which any decently smart fan could tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by etex211
Its a Spurs board Chief, of course most people on it are biasedQuote:
Originally Posted by mabber
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Originally Posted by mardigan
Nobody ever fouls the Mavs, right?
Jason Terry is a thug and classless! If you are going to throw a player out for clapping, then this a-hole should be thrown out as well! The video does not lie! This idiot should be suspended! Potential injury and the refs let him get away with it!
Terry Grabbed the back of his neck and pulled his arms down. Terry was trying to create space alright. Whether he was physically capable of it or not, he did try.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
Even if Davis did flop, which he did, you don't think Terry trying to physically injure another player doesn't deserve some kind of punishment other than a T?
If someone were to attempt murder, but failed, they shouldn't be convicted?
Didnt say that, but when was the last time in the crucial moments of a game you have seen a important Mav foul out or get thrown out. Yea, homecourt advantage and such, but if you seriously think that Baron earned those last two calls youve got blinders onQuote:
Originally Posted by etex211
Wow, this mavs victory is bringing out the worst in Spurs fans.
That video depicts Baron Davis initiating contact with Terry from behind during a dead ball. Terry reacts by pushing as well and everyone (spurs fans) thinks the guy should be suspended? Good Lord. It's ok Spurs fans. GS still has a chance to knock off the defending western conference champs.
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Originally Posted by mardigan
The Mavs finally did what they should have been doing for the entire series. They started running the ball at him to make him play defense.
wow... :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by sammy
Ok, I'm DONE. No, Terry wasn't trying to injure Davis...unbelievable...Quote:
Originally Posted by sprrs
Murder? Seriously dude...wtf?
Terry was suspended for game 6 of last years spur's series. The spurs needed to win that game to avoid elimination. Clearly, the league office favors the spurs. See how easy that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by mardigan
Whatever the "reasoning" whatever the "force" i don't see MAVS pulling it out of game 6. Mavs fans are just stretching for the lifeline.......
Yeah no kidding, and you can bet that If one the Mavs got ejected for clapping then they would be having a heart attack and complaining about the refs along with thier owner. Just like they were in the finals last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by mardigan
Ok, then I'd quit posturing as an UNBIASED observer.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursfan09
You know what I meant with that reference, stop trying to play the victim, it's failing.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
Terry has had a history of being a thug, you seriously think he wasn't trying to injure Davis. He didn't exactly look all that surprised by the tech either.
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Originally Posted by LEONARD
If I remember correctly, the T on Terry was for delay of game, not for anything he did to Davis.
You can't read much into Terry's reaction to the foul. Avery has given the team strict orders to not react to fouls.
Which they are obviously following, judging by their reactions.Quote:
Originally Posted by etex211
Maybe you're right about the delay of game, I didn't catch that part, but Terry clearly intended to hurt Davis, who clearly flopped.
How do you know this? Did Terry call you during a timeout and let you know? Jackass you'll always stick up for what the Mavs do. Hell they can go out and samarai sword random fans and you won't blame them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
GS in 6
If you read my posts, I don't agree with the posters who say that JT should of be suspended, and I don't think he should of been thrown out. just like I didn't think Jackson should. I just think its stupid the way Mavs fans want us to give in and take the mavs side when obviously what JT did had no good intentionsQuote:
Originally Posted by johnut32
You can't reason with Leonard. The dipshit thinks Crawford's ejection of Duncan for laughing was a legitimate call.Quote:
Originally Posted by 703 Spurz
You and a dozen other dipshits completely missed the boat on the points I made in that argument...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
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Originally Posted by LEONARD
i thought u said u were out? :dizzy :dizzy and WE are the confused souls? :p:
Hey Leonard, so what Jason Terry did on Baron Davis is OK with you? That it is part of the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
This thread (and this forum) are like a car wreck...I can't stop looking...Quote:
Originally Posted by LilMissSPURfect
I was out til AggiesHoopsDouche chimed in with BS...
Like I said, he was being a punk as was Davis. But IMO, he didn't do anything to Davis but put his arm around him while trying to get back onto the court...Quote:
Originally Posted by jmard5
I used to think you were one of the better Mavs posters here, but you're looking like a complete homer if you think Terry was innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
Dude, I've stated from the get go that Terry was being a PUNK...that's not innocent, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sprrs
If he had put his hand in Davis' chest and a leg behind him and decked him, them I'm all for a suspension. He didn't do shit...Davis' flopping and acting is the only thing that is making this a topic...
I think the response was appropriate. However, I would have assessed a technical on Davis as well. The entire GS teams is consistently doing assorted shenanigans during dead balls. Most of the time, the camera doesn't pick this stuff up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmard5
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Originally Posted by LEONARD
I don't want to ruin it for ya...but let it go...i don't care much for the mavs or any other team opposing my GODOBILI lead time :toast BUT
There's nothing We can do about it now.....game 5 went to the mavs....now lets move to game 6 .... Leonard, I suggest you guys go get u some beers paint yourself blue and cheer on your mavs!
Then how do you know it's happening? Did Miss Cleo tell you?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnut32
Will do, for game 7 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LilMissSPURfect
Lets see...I've been to all three games in Dallas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Well I think it's evident that Terry was at least trying to knock down Davis. Had he just put his arm around him and pushed him away, that would have been that. But he threw his arms downward while still holding Davis. He didn't even look back to see what happened. He was pissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
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Originally Posted by johnut32
So define some of these shenanigans that you've seen firsthand. Since you think Duncan deserved to be tossed, and you think JT didn't do anything wrong and you think Baron Davis deserved a T just for being on the receiving end of a body slam, this should be entertaining.
BTW, if you watch the video, JT takes baron's legs out with his knees as he pulls him off balance. It was a takedown.
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
The same sort of things you saw in that video. Mostly contact after the whistle blows. I don't think Duncan deserved to be tossed. I did think he deserved a t though. I think JT should not have pushed Davis but Davis should not have initiated contact.
Of what series? Sorry to say this Leonard, but no more Mavs basketball for you. What's worse is that Jason Terry threw Davis down like he was in some Steven Seagal movie and walked off like a true thug would. Though I agree that Baron Davis should have also received a T for initiating the contact, Terry's reaction was a clear venting of 4 1/2 games worth of pent up frustration. It was too violent to be overlooked by the league, but unfortunately the league will more than likely turn the other cheek.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEONARD
The true test for Golden State going in to this series was not being the 8 seed against a 1 seed. They have clearly overcome that. There challenge is being a Golden State team with players with questionable track records with the league, a band of thugs if you will, taking on a team with the league's MVP, a charasmatic coach and a large fan base that the league is clearly beginning to favor in the playoffs. The good news is that they are focused on the task at hand and will end this series tomorrow night.
I hope Terry plays. I hope Dallas wins. Nothing would be more satisfying than to get a rematch of last year's series. I just don't think it will happen. Like a true Spurs fan, I want a "fair shake" in these playoffs and hope to see the games called straight up. Clapping in a condescending manner and being ejected for it is irresponsible of the refs and they should be ashamed. I know 10 year olds that are more mature than to be hurt by something like that.
Dallas fans, stop defending Jet Terry. This is a poorly officiated series where the Mavs got a 26-13 advantage in free throws for the second half. If that doesn't say something right there, I'm not sure what does. not to mention the two PFs on Jackson within the first 2 minutes.
GS in 6, then they get swept by the Rockets. Sorry Dallas, we'll have to see you next year.
What I saw in that video was Baron Davis getting thrown to the floor. Damn Warriors and their shenanigans. Just like Manu initiating contact with JR Smith the other night. Flopper. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by johnut32
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Ask for the Mavs discount.
i just wish our dirty thug could hit a wide open jump shot every so often.
I wish the mavs fan on SpursTalk were half as quiet as the mavs fans at the game last night.
They are only loud after a win, unless it's to complain about whoever's to blame for the loss. Rarely, if ever, the team on the floor.
The only reason I hate the Mavs so much is because of their fans. I also strongly dislike Mark Cuban, and Dirk is alright I guess, but he sure does know how to display a ton of arrogance even when he has accomplished nothing.
Mark Cuban ruined the Mavericks.
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Originally Posted by spursfan09
I'm going to have to go ahead and agree with you on this one... I live in Dallas and nothing makes me more angry than a bunch of flip flopping fans that look for the easy way out. Just read the NBA insider about the league investigating the JRich tangle with the fan and a bunch of guys I work with are like, "That's a good fan. Hell yeah! I want to suck that dude's dick. etc.." It's disgusting to see a fan base that wants to take the low road, that will defend an obvious suspension worthy act like hitting another player in the nuts, and will tune out the season until the Cowboys are done playing. I hate those guys. I'm alright with the team. I love Avery as the coach and they always provide a good game when they play us. Great rivalry, just have no respect for their fans....
And que the Mavs fans saying we whine, complain, blah, blah, blah
Mark Cuban made that team who they are, his inability to not be a douchebag ruined the teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View