Spurs Front Office Choked Too

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Yeah, that's not true....they could have signed both.

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Manu would have had to take less, who knows if he would have done that.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

:lol

Nah, I think it took his altercation with Scott in NJ to light a fire under JACK, but he loved playing with TIM and he loved WINNING!

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LJ was mocking you.

Manu was unproven, plus the Spurs managed to squeeze out enough for Turk and Manu, so don't give me this crap that the money wasn't there, it was. Spurs had jacks bird rights, or am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

LJ was mocking you.

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Yeah, I know, but it took JACKs time in NJ to make Jack Jack.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Spurs pulled the contract after a week. Jackson wanted to come back.

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You always say that the pulled the contract and that's never been reported anywhere.

Jack's agent didn't return their calls. Eventually they moved on.

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Originally Posted by sprrs

Manu would have had to take less, who knows if he would have done that.

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Why would he have to have taken less? Jack would have just gotten the contract that Barry has.

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

I don't give a shit who was at fault. All I know is that the Spurs have never really replaced the skill set at the swing position that Jackson has.

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Manu became a starter when Jax left and played like a star in' 05 to get us a ring. If Jax was here now either bruce would have to go or pop would play smallball the whole time.

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Originally Posted by aaronstampler

Manu became a starter when Jax left and played like a star in' 05 to get us a ring. If Jax was here now either bruce would have to go or pop would play smallball the whole time.

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Or Jack would just be getting Finley's minutes.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Why would he have to have taken less? Jack would have just gotten the contract that Barry has.

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I'm just saying, theoretically. The money was there, but the Spurs didn't want to deal with Jack agent and POP never warmed up to JACK, at least not like he warmed up to Malik.

So you know Pop on a personal level. The type of level where he discloses shit like, how he truly feels about players he coaches?

No, I just know human tendency, and POP doesn't warm up to players like Jack, hell, it took 2 trades for POP to warm up to Sean Elliott. Jack didn't have a chance.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

No, I just know human tendency, and POP doesn't warm up to players like Jack, hell, it took 2 trades for POP to warm up to Sean Elliott. Jack didn't have a chance.

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They offered Jack more than any other team did that summer. Jack obviously did what was best for him, but it's tough to fault the team TOO MUCH (some blame is fair) when they did have the most amount of money on the counter.

But, as good as he is looking after this series, I think it's safe to say that in hindsight, the Pacers probably don't feel like he was worth the deal they offered.

I'm not saying JACK doesn't reserve to flame out bad sometime in some series in these playoffs, such is living life on a razor's edge, especially if GS plays the Spurs, which really could happen. I'm just saying, it would have been nice to at least seen that type of fight from the Spurs last year, and maybe this year, we'll see.

Wow, this is the first time I've heard anyone say we should have kept Jack.

Cutting edge shit.

Sheeettt.....I took it personal M.F.!


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It really made me question this teams commitment to winning. (Well that and the whole Jaren Jackson fiasco).

This Stephen Jackson character must be bad ass. He's probably playing for max money the way some of you guys are talking about him.

(waiting for, "You fucking idiot, Jax was on the 2003 championship team, how long have you been watching basketball?" in 5, 4, 3...)

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

You may think I'm kidding, but after the Spurs traded SJ, I stopped posting about them for a long time.

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The Spurs didn't trade Stephen Jackson. The details fade in my mind with time, but as I recall, they made him a contract offer (IIRC, a 3 year deal worth about $3M per season). Jackson thought he could command more on the open market and spurned the Spurs offer. The Spurs had to move on, because it was their summer of mega cap space and waiting around all summer for Jax to decide whether to accept the offer could have jeopardized other possible signings -- I seem to recall that as long as the offer was valid, the offer counted against the cap space (or something along those lines).

Stephen Jackson decided to go elsewhere. It turned out that the Spurs' offer to Jax was above market that summer, since Jax ended up getting a 1 year/$1 milion deal with Atlanta. Going to Atlanta, where he didn't really have to fit into a system and where he could put up some gaudy numbers, allowed Jackson to have a good enough year that Indiana was willing to offer him a bigger deal in the summer of '04.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Pfff...you think GS is gonna let Jack go now? :lmao

Only for Manu and a few first round picks, and the caveman...

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He did the same for us in finals in '03, and according to you the FO let him go. I remember reading that it was supposedly Jax's agent that messed up getting in touch with him about the Spurs' contract offer, and the offer lapsed. The Spurs'
couldn't wait too long for an answer from Jax or his agent, they had to do something before they had no options left. Didn't Jax fire his agent after that?

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Originally Posted by jaespur21

DAMM DOC BROWN...where is the delorian when u need it

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:lol

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Spurs have won 3 rings with Tim Duncan, and the Manu and Parker pick-ups were genius, but right here, right now, I'm defending my right to say that if the Spurs front office hadn't fucked around with Stephen Jackson and pulled his contract, the Spurs would have been a fucken dynasty

Chew on that for awhile Spur fans.

:hat

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mike finley last game was better

Lets be straight about this. When Jax made the decision to spurn the Spurs offer, it wasn't about winning or loyalty or any of that shit. It was all about ego and his overblown estimate of his worth on the free agent market.

He wound up taking two million less and playing for a shitty team that had no chance of winning, but let him shoot to his heart's content and build up his PPG stats. That earned him a better contract with Indiana.

Then Indiana decided it was in their best interest to move him out of town. And it looks from a strictly basketball point of view that they were willing to get hosed in the deal to get rid of him.

Now he's playing for GS and has shown both his upside and downside. Most players would have been banned from the playoffs after two ejections so he lucked out there. Can you imagine GS having to play without him?

But that--not to mention his coming felony trial-- demonstrates a certain erratic character tendency in Jax that can jeopardize a whole team's season like a unexploded bomb that might go off any time.

On the whole, I'm happy with where we are and where he is. I hope he has success in his personal life and a productive career. However,The Spurs proved they could win a championship without him and may prove it again this year. Let's move on.

Jack and his agent thought that he could get more than $10 million guaranteed in the short run. It took a year, but they were right.

nbadan is just trolling y'all.

Shoot, I'm more upset at the Spurs F.O. letting Barbosa go. Just gave him away to Phoenix, for nothing.

i don't think the Spurs are likely to keep or would sign someone who they wouldn't be entirely surprised if they woke up some morning and found he'd shot someone , been shot or was in jail.