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Sorry NBADan, but we've looked at Jackson's stats, contributions, morale builders and downers, and the record of the teams he has played for since he keft us. For far more games than not, most of us were thankful he was gone. My guess is that McGrady, Yao and the Rockets will eat his lunch in their next series. If not the Rockets, the Jazz will.
Also, he chose to leave.
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Originally Posted by wildbill2u
The Spurs proved they could win more than a championship witt him and may prove it last year.
SJax>>Manu
I like Jackson as a Spur...but sometimes the guy was just all thumbs. I don't know how many times I watched him drop a hot pass. We won without him, so it's not like he's the missing link or something.
I remember reading in the Express that Summer that after Sjax couldn't get a contract anywhere else he came back to the Spurs to accept their $10m contract. We hadn't signed Hedo yet at the time so it was possible, but Pop said the team had already moved on in another direction. For whatever reason Pop didn't want to negotiate any further. Then, SJax ended up at Atlanta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Jackson wasn't and jury still out isn't grown up just yet. Malice at the palace, guns at the nudie bar, its just a matter of time before he gets traded out of GS as well, he just can't help himself. I am happy for jack the player and ex spur, but don't get carried away, he would have done something crazy eventually. He did not like pops style and it probably lead to his decision to leave. the pacers took care of him financially and we saw how he showed his gratitude. He's tough as nails and when his head is skrewd on right there are very few players i enoy watching more, but how many turnovers did he have, how many technicals and how many bad decisions. lets not get carried away with dynasty talk because of action jackson. I appreciated what Baron Davis said about Jack at the end of the game, but what chaos would he have caussed by now had he stayed .....there is a reason he's the one that got involved with Artest.
I agree with this sentiment, and here's another reason beyond the numbers why SJax and Manu wouldn't have worked in San Antonio:Quote:
Originally Posted by my2sons
SJax's ego would demand to be a starter. And he would have been in '04, with Manu coming off the bench. But the Manu of '05 was vastly superior to anything SJax can or will do in his career: better defender, more creative scorer, superior clutch player (if you can believe it). And Manu only got to that point because he was given starters minutes without another stud playing the same position. Manu would have still been coming off the bench in '05, and maybe he would still have been nasty, but he definitely wouldn't have had the court time to develop into the player he did become in this universe. Plus, we wouldn't have been able to sign Barry the summer before and wouldn't have had room to sign Finley the summer after. Those two players together on this team are worth more than SJax, IMO.
As for the salaries, Kori is right, SJax would just have Barry's contract...$5 mil/year. But don't you think Jackson (who would likely be a starter) would demand more than that? And if we swapped Manu's ~$8-9 mil/year with his salary, wouldn't we have given up the potentially three-peating sixth man of the year open to better offers from other teams?
I will say that we might have a real opportunity this summer. If I understand correctly, SJAX's hearing for parole violation is coming up soon (I believe before GSW's playoff run will be over). He will likely be sent to jail (as has been mentioned on this thread, his gun discharge was a felony). Although he would likely get out before next season, would GSW void his contract on the morals clause? (and/or incapacity to play if jailed while they are still playing). IF they do, he will effectively be a free agent. Would he be interested in coming back to SA on the cheap (I doubt any club will offer him full MLE money, due to his characte issues)...
Actually- it was twice. The first time Jax left and signed with Atlanta after the Spurs offer was 3 years- $9M. The second time the Spurs went with Barry over Jax and Hedo- partially for the $$$ savings.
Seeing as Hedo and Jack got $700k and $900k more respectively than Barry ended up with that year, I fail to see how one can claim we had room for either after signing Manu.
The current front office has helped produced 3 titles in less that 10 years. I imagine a lot of teams would like to have choked like that.
Spurs are about an inch and .5 second away from already having 5 titles, then these fuckers would not be doubting so much. Do anyone realize spurs have won about 30 of 33 games that count. Spurs should count that last game agaist Dallas as a win and the ones where scrubs played don't really matter.
I don't remember all of the particulars, but it seems plausible to me that signing Jackson might have been enough to cost the Spurs Robert Horry.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by Nbadan
Those were the days.
As mentioned on NBA radio this morning. SJax hit 7 3's but missed 6 layups.
I was under the impression that the Spurs didn't want to give Jax a huge contract because they wanted to save that money for Manu. Jax would have taken Barry's money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis