The Spurs choked. They had numerous chances to put this game away and didn't do it.
The refs were fine.
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The Spurs choked. They had numerous chances to put this game away and didn't do it.
The refs were fine.
+1. The Spurs had the game in hand and started making terrible decisions, missing shots, not playing defense, wasting timeouts and turning the ball over. The refs didn't do that. Good teams win games like that, and the Suns did.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
No. YOu can't say the Refs caused Spurs to win Game 3. The bias in Game 3 was VERY SMALL (maybe zero). Duncan was held on every posession.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
This game was horrible. Suns lose by 20 if it wasn't for Refs.
The way the Spurs finished this game is the reason for the loss. Not the refs. Between Pops idiotic play calls, timeouts and benching of Duncan, combined with bonehead play after bonehead play from Duncan, the Spurs choked it away. The game was done. All they had to do was close it out. And they failed. Where was the D? A 16-3 run to finish the game? You kidding me? Fade aways from Finley?
The last half of the 4th qtr was not Spurs basketball. They completely let up.
Don't blame the officiating.
Yes he does that a lot to free up Thomas and Amare. Late in the game he ran into Manu and pushed him to get him off balance. This freed Raja Bell up for an easy pass to a layup. This was another momentum shifting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4lifecowboy
Point is, with more balanced officiating Spurs would have been up big in the game. So the refs did cause the loss, though Spurs still had a chance to win the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pistons < Spurs
all i can say is ....Wow the fucking irony of this thread!!!!!
I like how Barbose leaned 70 degrees to push his body into Parker for that call.Quote:
Originally Posted by slayermin
Bitch, we were going to put your team away this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by kps0001
Game 3, sure some calls were not called on us, but it didn't lead to the loss for you guys. Duncan was fouled many times that game without calls so STFU, it was pretty even.
Anyone who has complained about the Suns' whining and is now complaining about officiating is a flat-damned hypocrite.
The Spurs failed to execute in the 4th quarter. At 82-72, they had the Suns literally at the tipping point. I still think that moment might very well have been the tipping point for the entire series. Instead of continuing to play Spurs basketball, though, the Spurs fell into a rut of very poor offensive execution and very poor defensive effort, both of which killed them. The Spurs should be pissed -- but they should be pissed at themselves and only themselves. I'd hope that we'll see a better effort on Wednesday, particularly since they now have to get another game in Phoenix if they're to have any chance to advance.
A little focus and a little respect for the opponent would do wonders.
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Run into another player? That's something the Spurs have never done....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobulingam
You fail to realize that the Spurs took 23 3pointers to the Suns' 14. I guess Parker should have been fouled on all those dumb jumpers he was taking in the 4th quarter?
Haha - Parker was still moving! And he barely touched him! It was a no-call at best because Tony's flop made Barbosa fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobulingam
Great post. Even though I don't think discussing bad calls always necessarily equates to blaming losses on refs, I really don't even see the point of discussing the officiating here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pistons < Spurs
Exactly.Quote:
A little focus and a little respect for the opponent would do wonders.
And now cometh Salvitore...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
You've got to be joking. Amare is held by Horry/Duncan on every play and you bitch that Duncan was finally called for a foul on Nash and a moving screen (firsts for both in this series, btw)... but the refs handed the Suns the game... oh yeah, no dobut about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobulingam
And can you believe they gave Horry a Flagrant 2 for that foul when it was obvious Nash's smaller body caused him to fly out of bounds. The inhumanity of this officiating crew. Let's ignore the complete offensive meltdown by the Spurs in the 4th quarter.
Game 3 was possibly the worst reffed games ever. I guess I've watched the nba too long so it has been ridiculously one-sided so many times. I'll give it that the suns got the benefits this game but the spurs got it all in game 3 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobulingam
If an offensive player deliberately tries to make contact like that (leaning in severely) and Parker is barely moving then it's still a foul on Barbosa. Suns ended up with a buck and foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonMexico
Phx shot 21 FTs to our 9 going into the 4th, that's why the game was even close. Most of those were bullshit calls, and many on TD. Phx had no business shooting twice as many fts as us. They didn't take it to the hole and get fouled that much more than SA. Timmy shot 4 fucking free throws vs. 5 fouls. Anyone who watched the game knows that this is crap. He couldn't even play most of when it counted because of the BS calls.
Amare got called for one foul he didn't commit in game 3, the Oberto charge. How many BS calls did TD get tonight? 3? 4? When Timmy went down in the 4th because of fouls we were still up but the momentum had died.
This game shouldn't have been there for the Suns' taking but for the bad foul calls. Yeah we should have closed better but it wasn't supposed to come to that.
I'm a Suns fan, so I'm certainly a little biased. For what's the worth, I'd say almost all calls made by the refs were correct and they called it quite consistently throughout the whole game. The problem for you guys is that means many no-calls TD and Bowen normally enjoyed got called. Particularly, they didn't allow Bowen's little tricks of pushing and tripping Nash when Nash drove by him, the way they allowed it in game 3. And the call on TD's shooting foul on Nash for body contact could be construed as a makeup call on calling Nash's offensive foul against Parker earlier. TD normally can get away with a no-call for his status.
Well, the consequence is TD with 5 fouls makes him equally vulnerable like Amare in the closing minutes. And well, Amare won that duel this time around.
But, really, the game was partially lost on Pop's "over-coaching" and probably over-confidence in the plays by Barry and Finley. I could understand Horry's losing it on frustration for exactly this aspect: you lost it without him being able to play a role.
^There's no way you deserved twice as many FTs as us.
Spurs and the refs were terrible
GREAT points. That's exactly why we're bitching about the calls. The Spurs should have been up by 15-20 points. The bad officiating didn't "lose" the game---the Spurs did---but they clearly left the door wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by BradLohaus
They weren't. I just can't get over it. And I hate whining.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp