will the series win be considered tainted?
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will the series win be considered tainted?
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Then all the bandwagon Suns fans will never be seen here again and everyone will forget about the series as it's just round 2.
Not to me. I'll gladly cheer on in the WCF
it's the sky blue?. it's bowen drty? :wtfQuote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
You don't think so? It was tough already, given the dirty label that's been thrown around and arguments about the so called advantage the Spurs have.
If Amare AND Diaw are out - and we win game 5 and go on to win (which look a lot harder than it did about an hour and a half ago), you think it won't be thrown out that the only reason we won game 5 was because Amare was out?
I mean, according to our detractors - we only won game 1 because Nash was out due to a stupid rule about blood, and we only game 3 because of favorable calls by the refs.
So yeah, I think so. Another reason I'm pissed at Horry.
It's certainly no way to win a series for a proud franchise.
I like how Horry can lose it, and his team gain everything.
That means that every series which has had a player suspended should be considered tainted as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Somehow, I just don't see it. No matter what happens, people will forget about it and move on, save the fans of each team.
I just pray we don't see another "malice at the palace". The intensity of this series has escalated to incredible heights.
I think it's great. No more complaining about the Spurs being boring. We're now the new age version of the Bad Boy Pistons. Everyone loves a bad guy, and we're even wearing black :lol
Crank up the ACDC in pre-game of game 6, lose the 80s techno, and let's get it on :makemyday
If the Suns would have behaved like people with an IQ over 70, your team would have NOTHING to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
Don't suspend him. Let the guy play. It was stupid but this is the playoffs. I want us to beat phx straight up, not with there KEY player out for the game.
Horry lost his cool, Amare stopped using his brain cell. Both teams will have to deal with it.
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
I agree, it's time to shed our "soft" label. If people think we're dirty we might as well take out players and start fights on occassion, at least we'll be true to our label. :ihit
If Amare gets suspended, I think there will be bigger things to worry about than a tainted series victory (which really wouldn't be all that tainted...it's only one game).Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
I'd be prepared for all hell to break loose in the game that Amare returns....especially if the Spurs start to run away with it....I think at that point Raja Bell and Co. will deliver "payback" in an incredibly unfortunate way.
Here's the thing - you've got people already saying 'Horry should be suspended because he lost his cool, but Amare and Diaw shouldn't be suspended for losing theirs.'
What kind of bullshit logic is that? If Amare and Diaw get a pass for losing their cool, give old man Horry one too.
Otherwise, apply the rules like they should be and they all sit out game 5.
Ok, Games 1 and 3 are ludicrous. Would the Suns have won if Nash wasn't bleeding? Who the hell cares, injuries are part of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by easjer
As for Game 3, it wasn't a super one sided job by the refs.
Now as for Game 5, it would be pretty ludicrous if Horry, Stoudemire, and Diaw receive the same level of punishment, given Horry started the incident with a dirty cheapshot reeking of poor sportsmanship then elbowed Bell in the face to boot and Amare and Diaw did leave the bench but did retreat and did not pour gas on the fire, which is why that rule was put in in the first place.
Just ignoring the literal rule and focusing on who did what wrong, if you fine Stoud/Diaw for 1 game, Horry deserves 10 to 20 because his "crime" was that much worse and he was the initiator of the event.
Since it's the playoffs and this has been a terrific series to watch (all 4 games have been just awesome, except Game 2 2nd half which got away from SA) as a neutral fan, I'd like to see the league look past what happened and not suspend anyone so we can keep seeing some great ball.
This is the playoffs and you really need to hold back on suspensions but for blatant deals, like Bell's clothesline last yr.
But if anyone does truly deserve a suspension, how can any Spurs fan deny it's Horry. I mean cmon.
My mistake. I forgot you're not allowed to be human when your teammate is assaulted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
I get the suspension. It's weak as hell that some here are delighting in it.
If that's how you want to win, proving the label of "dirty" in the process, go right on and delight.
I've always pulled for the Spurs because they were classy, and because I thought the majority here were such as well. Maybe the majority here are classy, though that's a bit of a stretch at this point, but the Spurs themselves sure as hell aren't. You're only as strong as you're weakest link. Obviously the Suns weakness is Amare and Diaw's inability to contain their gut reaction to protect their teammate. You're only as classy as you dirtiest player. Horry is trash. He's hit big shots for ya, and won ya Titles, but he's complete trash and those who refuse to acknowledge it are hypocrite sellouts.
If only the shoe was on the other foot... then maybe you'd appreciate the kind of grief us Suns fans are going through. Their biggest win in a decade is married to potentially their biggest loss.
Forget it. You're all to giddy to give a damn.
Enjoy your Title.
The best thing would be for the league to not suspend anybody--let both teams play at full strength--and let the best team win.
What if every single Sun had left the bench? Would you like to play 12 on 0? Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
If someone delivers a viscous cheapshot to Duncan in a game where the outcome was decided out of frustration, I'd hope the Spurs bench said Funk the rules and let's defend our superstart. In the heat of the moment, the first thing in your mind is not going to be "I cant leave the bench".
if amare gets suspended for game 5 I almost hope the suns win just so the naysayers won't have any excuses for why the spurs won since amare wasn't there
As i said in another thread, Horry just might have single handedly ruined this entire series.
Assault? It was a hip check you poser :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
I'd be fine if nobody got suspended... but it we get singled out it will suck.
If only Nash had run the other direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Like some one else said, it's just one game. It's not like the Spurs are going to make the judgement on a suspension. So why should the Spurs be penalized for a player on another teams actions? Rules are rules, but that has to be one of the most stupidest rules in the NBA. Many players are on the court the whole game.
It was unnecessary, and, considering Nash was running close to full speed while rounding a corner, it was a move that really could have injured him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
It didn't, but that shouldn't justify it.
Are you telling me Horry was incapable of simply slapping at Nash in an attempts to foul? Or would that have been too classy for trash like you? He couldn't just accept a tough loss like a man, but had to throw a baby fit and go cross-sport on a player in the closing seconds of a game?
Lame.
WTF are you talking about? The series is tied 2-2 and the Suns clearly have the momentum...relax!Quote:
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
Agreed. Aggie Hoopsfan is scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
Well the scorer's table being there made it look much worse than it was, but still a retarded move by Horry, he should have known better and just go for a grab.
Why are people trying to defend Horry... it was a punk move and a bad decision on his part.
Wish I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by TampaDude
If this was Duncan and Ginobili in limbo would you be able to relax?
Every time someone gets suspended, the Spurs get killed. Look at last year. I don't see this being any easier.
Ouch, I'm really hurt. Hurry, I think you and the MVP have a tee time to make :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by mavsfan1000
According to Aggie, Horry did know better, and the Spurs are better off for him throwin this "hip-check" than had they just lost graciously.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabar
At this rate Duncan might join him shortly. Btw tonight was a classic CHOKE JOB Mavs just got beat this year...didn't choke away a game like the Spurs just did lol :elephantQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Yeah, because losing to the 8th seed in the first round isn't a choke job...:rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Amarelooms
How can you honestly say the Mavs didn't choke.... you are fucking delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amarelooms
If the Spurs had 2 of the 3 remaining at home, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
No, they just choked the whole fucking series to the #8 seed in the biggest upset in NBA playoff history! :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Amarelooms
Getting back to the topic...The Spurs' first trophy was "tainted" too, according to Phil Jackson. It wouldn't be new ground to break. I'd really rather our team not be known as thugs, though.
Dude, delete your post. It's embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amarelooms
A win is a win, but I'd rather see the Spurs beat good teams playing their best ball with no excuses any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by TampaDude
Man screw all this homecourt talk crap!! REAL championship caliber teams when games ANYWHERE! It doesn't matter if your home or away. Sure homecourt does matter some, but you people are acting as if the world is going to end now that Phx has homecourt. Now we are just back to where we started. It's like Phx won their two games at home and we won our two. And I'm also tired of all these so-called sports analyst talking about how impossible it is to win in SA. Just like they were all saying how impossibe to win in GS. Yeah right get a clue. Bottom line championship teams make plays. It doesn't matter where you are playing...
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Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Exactly. In that situation, all Horry has to do is swipe at Nash's dribble to get called for the reach in. The refs know the situation too and are ready to blow the whistle. As far as I'm concerned, I want this at full strength for both teams. Horry got his F2 and an ejection, it shouldn't carry over to G5. Amare and Diaw were held back and restrained by their coaching staff, which was certainly aware of the leaving the bench rule and should be rewarded for being heads up on that. You're wasting your time arguing with an Aggie, who is a blind homer troll. Stick to intelligent discussions with classy Spurs posters like FromWayDowntown, mardigan, Obstructed View, Trainwreck 2000, DarrinS and Amuseddaysleeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
Remember Horry is an old vet at this game. He very well may have figured that players from their bench would jump up and get their dumb butts suspended.....I wouldn't put anything past Horry when it comes to getting an edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
christ suns fan, butch up.
I'll admit there are some rambling trolls that spill in here, and even a regular or two who offer nothing but insults and curses and would serve everyone by just disappearing, but the vast majority of fans have plenty of that over-used characteristic - class.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
This is a San Antonio Spurs FAN FORUM, where impassioned fans vent, debate, rant on and speak their minds. If you don't like it, try a Suns forum. I'm sure there are PLENTY of the same types of off the wall comments being made.
And I really don't care for your comment that you used to like the Spurs, but now you don't because of Horry or whatever. Listen, you never liked the Spurs and still do not know them. They are out there playing tough playoff basketball and taking WAY too many shots to the body themselves. So stop with the "Spurs are the bad guys" junk.
And Robert Horry body checked Nash. It happens. Did you not see Leandro flip Parker? Did you not see Marion rake Manu's eye? Did you not see Amare and Thomas both forearm the back of Tim's head on a no call last night?
The difference is the Spurs, being the CLASSY, proven championship team of great guys they are, opt not to bitch about it. And Gregg Popovich is the antithesis of the sobbing joke of a coach, Mike D'Antoni.
The only, ONLY nice thing I have to say about the Phoenix Suns is Steve Nash. The rest, from the coach, to the trainer yelling in Bowen's ear during a game time three point shot, to the entire roster have disappointed me in some way or another. But once the series is over, no hard feelings.
It would suck if that were the case.
However, the Suns can win w/o Amare.
In addition, if the shoe was on the other foot, no one would feel for us. It would still be a win!
The Spurs won the game that Jason Terry missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabar
One more thing. Nash got up and handled his business. Stop treating him like he needs to be coddled. He got body checked and Horry will pay a big fine for it. Thankfully nobody was hurt, now get over it. Nash certainly has, as has Parker gotten over Leandro's undercut, and Ginobili has gotten over Marion's face raking, and Duncan has gotten over his numerous whacks to the head.
Stop it already, you bleeding heart wimps! Its not like Horry is gonna get away with it. He's gonna pay the price. Stop calling him and Spurs fans out over a physical foul.
Weak takes!
Bullshit. It's partly a chess game and Horry *may* have just pulled a brilliant move that'll be the undoing of the Sun's in this series. Let's just hope that the league follows its own rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
We all know that the Suns would be screaming for our players to be suspended if they left the bench. Rules are put in place to keep the game clean and not get other people hurt. It specifically states that if you leave the Bench area during an altercation you draw an automatic one game suspension. They is no caveat saying "Well this is the playoffs so we won't enforce the rule." Rules are Rules, Suns fans would be screaming for the suspension of Barry and Ginobili if they had done the same thing as Diaw and Stoudewhiner :cry
This is exactly what has been wrong with the Spurs. I don't want you, or other opponent's fans to talk about them like that. I'd much rather have you hate them. I'm glad that Spurs culture is changing with this series. Time to forget about Robinson bending over for Malone like a little bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMarkJohns
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Now you're messin' with a
A son of a bitch
Now you're messin' with a son of a bitch
Now you're messin' with a
A son of a bitch
Now you're messin' with a son of a bitch
You do have a point...both teams split, so there really isn't any home court advantage in this series anymore...it's obvious that either team can take a road game, and lose a home game. So...here we are...it's down to the best of 3...may the hungriest team win! :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by florige
Oh noes!! the peoples will think its tainted!!!
um...ill still be smiling looking at crying suns fans while still watching my team play basketball going for a trophy.
i could really care less what other fans think. I can garuntee you they (the suns) would love for it to be the other way around, and they have a "tainted" trophy in their case.
AC-DC would be great! I suggest "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" as the song.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
I have told everyone over and over that it's like my kids, if you are going to cry I'll give you a reason to cry. The Suns wouldn't quit bitching and moaning so wouldn't you know just as I feared the refs like the mind-numbed robots they are had Duncan with 5 fouls at the end of the game.
SOOOO if you're going to keep accusing us of thuggery might as well benefit from it. We weren't playing dirty before but if the Suns keep crying about it and the idiot refs play along then might as well get what we can out of it!!
I guess Stat is worried about a suspension.
Stoudemire was caught on replays well off the bench but he said he was on his way to the scorer's table to check in when the incident happened. He said he's "just a little" worried about a possible suspension.
"I was just doing what the coach told me. He told me to check in," Stoudemire said. "I just got to say my prayers tonight."
Yup...a win is a win...a title is a title...Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Patch
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Originally Posted by 41times
He was not getting ready to check in....this is a blatant lie...he must think Stern is an idiot. :p:
1999 champs *
2007 champs *
I'll take it.
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Stat is a lying sack of shit. If I had any tiny shred of respect left for him, it's gone now. Fuck him!Quote:
Originally Posted by 41times
it was perplexing, horry usually just wraps people up in that situation.
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Originally Posted by leemajors
He was pissed off and let his emotions get the best of him.....this happens in sports all the time...he is not a thug, he just fucked up and he will be the first to admit it.
Remember Howard's foul on Jax? Same thing, out of character, heat of the moment type thing.
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Originally Posted by TampaDude
Dude, you can't blame him for trying to not get suspended.
I honestly don't understand what Suns fans are worried about...
even if Spurs win game 5, Suns have a great chance to win 6 and 7.
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Originally Posted by MadDog73
Riiiiight.
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Originally Posted by Jimcs50
They do.
FACT: No one has won 2 games in a row yet.
If Spurs win Game 5, Suns will prob. win game 6 (they will be energized and ready, especially if Amare was suspended for Game 5).
That leaves Game 7, which should go to San Antonio. But, it's in PHX, and it's going to be a crazy game. After watching the Spurs choke away Game 4, I have no confidence they will win Game 7 in PHX.
Maybe they will, and in that case, I'll be happy to be wrong.
You forgot to add, " Is Kobey a rapist? "Quote:
Originally Posted by anonymous coward
You need to give that hope up. If the Spurs lose this series (regardless of how), it certainly won't be their own fault (to a lot of the posters on this forum) :lol The rule on this forum is that either the Spurs win and everything is right with the world or they lose because the refs and/or league screwed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
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Originally Posted by TampaDude
You are an idiot. Plain and simple. You act like Amare was the one that decided to tackle your superstar that is 100lbs lighter.
But thats ok, make him into the bad guy.
WHAT brain cell???? :spinQuote:
Originally Posted by Borosai
No...YOU are the idiot if you think the rules shouldn't apply to the Suns. I'm not condoning what Horry did...it was classless and unnecessary, and he should be suspended for the rest of the series...but the rules are the rules, and Stoudemire is a professional...he should man up and take responsibility for his actions...he fucked up and will pay for it...case closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scumbag
It's unfortunate, but Pop really seems to put it best. It is what it is.
Hard fouls happen all the time. Was Robert Horry out of line for pulling a body check on Nash? Yes, but it wasn't the first hard foul of this series, and it probably won't be the last.
Any one of you Suns fans who wants to judge the entire Spurs organization from one dirty play by one player (who is, characteristically, known as a good guy) needs to remember that you have Raja Bell playing on your squad. That guy is as characteristically dirty as Bowen is, and his clothesline on Kobe Bryant last year was far more blatant than Horry's hip check. If your organization didn't get a 'dirty' label for that occurence, I don't see why you deserve to start pointing fingers at us now.
Regardless, Amare and Boris both came out ON the court. Had the PHX coaching staff not been able to slow them down or stop them, they probably would've made it all the way TO the altercation. I don't think they got involved, nor do I want them to be suspended, because I think it will taint what should be a great series and I believe in beating teams at their full strength.
But Kenny said it last night on TNT. You can't let them get away with breaking that rule, and then continue to enforce it in the future. Both Stoudemire and Diaw did EXACTLY what that rule was created to prevent, and the fact that they just didn't happen to make it to the fight doesn't provide any justification.
Regardless of why, they broke a cardinal rule of the game and they will probably have to pay for it. It's something that comes with youth, and you notice none of the Spurs players proceeded onto the court during the altercation.
I'm betting they'll be out. Both Pop and D'Antoni said they'll just have to make due with what they have. If they can accept it that easy, why can't everybody else?
No! They were dumbasses and knew the rules! You don't go onto the floor when there is an altercation PERIOD! It's a mandatory 1 game suspension! They cost their team for being idiots!
Pops short answer from last year..
"Yes".
The Suns can still win without Amare. I think Kurt Thomas would be a bigger loss than Amare in this series.
The only player the Suns can't win without is Nash, but as long as he's calling the shots I could probably line up at the 5 spot and the Suns would still do alright.