Pictures of Amare leaving the bench

it didn't occur in a tunnel or hallway, it was on the court. Which is where the wiggle room is gone.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Actually the rule has been amended from the Ewing suspension. There's wiggle room for the league. I say don't suspend anybody, even Horry, and let 'em play.

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Horry, at least, should get one game for his forearm to Bell's head.

Still, I'll take no suspensions. It'll be the best business and basketball decision and no team would fault them for doing it.

This wasn't an unusual situation, it was a generic flagrant foul and everyone-goes-to-the-altercation.

obviously this was not in a hallway or tunnel but it was an unusual situation where the league will determine the appropriate solution.

I think Big Shot Rob is gone and Suns are at full strength.

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Originally Posted by UV Ray

Dude, you are such a weasel. Grow a spine. Your posts consistently take opposite positions. Your posts are a complete waste of time.

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What opposite positions? I've said that rules are rules, and you have to uphold them if you want any kind of order. Therefore, many suspensions are warranted because of NBA rules.

Or, I said they could just let things go from now on and not suspend anyone. Not Horry, not Amare, and not the next person that checks someone into the table or elbows someone in the nose.

Learn to read ass. I've had one position the entire time.

oh, I forgot... go fuck yourself.

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Originally Posted by kps0001

It certainly isn't an automatic suspension. There is some gray area.



http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2002/1028/1452258.html

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Excellent post. Thanks.

Oh yeah, I'm also getting sick of refs not calling obvious intentional fouls. The players in the playoffs have been going for small stuff like slaps and the refs don't call it, so they have to step up to holds and pushes to get them to whistle it.

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Originally Posted by ponky

Yup, didn't Najera get suspended even though he was already on the court but was obviously trying to break up the fight?

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Yeah, but they changed the rules to "bench area" after the Patrick Ewing suspension. There's an outside chance Amare walks on this. I'm sure the league was unhappy with Amare about the escalation of the tension in the series by his comments. We'll see if the league takes that into account. If the series is as violent and contentious as he claimed, one might think he'd be mindful of his reactions to situations.

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

it didn't occur in a tunnel or hallway, it was on the court. Which is where the wiggle room is gone.

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Basically the rule isn't just black n white. The league will look at the entire situation. Nothing is gonna happen to Amare or Boris.

CBS Sportsline reports:

Game 5 is Wednesday night in Phoenix and it's possible there could be suspensions from the league for players leaving the bench after Horry fouled Nash.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone

What opposite positions? I've said that rules are rules, and you have to uphold them if you want any kind of order. Therefore, many suspensions are warranted because of NBA rules.

Or, I said they could just let things go from now on and not suspend anyone. Not Horry, not Amare, and not the next person that checks someone into the table or elbows someone in the nose.

Learn to read ass. I've had one position the entire time.

oh, I forgot... go fuck yourself.

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I guess the point is rules and rules, but they are up to interpretation. The league will figure out two things 1) If they believe Amare was on his way to check-in 2) If they don't believe that, if they consider him "in the vicinity" of the bench.

It's not a hard fast automatic thing that he'll get suspended just because he stepped on the court.

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Originally Posted by milkyway21

CBS Sportsline reports:

Game 5 is Wednesday night in Phoenix and it's possible there could be suspensions from the league for players leaving the bench after Horry fouled Nash.

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lol thanks Captain Obvious.

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

Plus who steps onto the court to check in,

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It certainly appears that if he was "checking in" his typical sideline path was taken up with coaches and other players. His only real course for such an act was on the court.

Again, I'm not buying the whole "checking in" alibi. I think it may have occured, but also think Amare may have used it as liberty to see what was what.

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Originally Posted by milkyway21

CBS Sportsline reports:

Game 5 is Wednesday night in Phoenix and it's possible there could be suspensions from the league for players leaving the bench after Horry fouled Nash.

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Thank you CBS :lol :lol :lol

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Originally Posted by kps0001

obviously this was not in a hallway or tunnel but it was an unusual situation where the league will determine the appropriate solution.

I think Big Shot Rob is gone and Suns are at full strength.

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Diaw's gone cause he wasnt checking in, who knows whether stern/jackson will buy the checking in argument, cause that was his only defense

Stern can always change the rules in the off-season - I'd say he starts right now...

(please....)

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Originally Posted by JMarkJohns

Horry, at least, should get one game for his forearm to Bell's head.

Still, I'll take no suspensions. It'll be the best business and basketball decision and no team would fault them for doing it.

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I agree that the closest thing to a slam dunk suspension in my opinion is the Horry contact with Bell, but since Bell was rushing at him, one could make a case that he was just defending himself. Horry is five inches or so taller than Bell and there were a lot of people's hands in there. I don't particularly give a shit if they suspend Horry, I just thought it might be cool if they just kind of gave everyone a do over so we could all enjoy the rest of the series.

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Originally Posted by JMarkJohns

Horry, at least, should get one game for his forearm to Bell's head.

Still, I'll take no suspensions. It'll be the best business and basketball decision and no team would fault them for doing it.

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They all broke rules that warrant a one game suspension. Either suspend all of the violators or suspend no one. Anything else destroys all credibility and turns the NBA into a fixed league with an agenda against certain teams.

If they choose to not suspend anyone, they better not start suspending people later who cheap shot opponents. If they do, it will take away all credibilty because it means they broke their own rules for this one instance, and this one instance alone.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I guess the point is rules and rules, but they are up to interpretation. The league will figure out two things 1) If they believe Amare was on his way to check-in 2) If they don't believe that, if they consider him "in the vicinity" of the bench.

It's not a hard fast automatic thing that he'll get suspended just because he stepped on the court.

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why would he get suspended just because he stepped on the court? Isn't that rule intended for fights? If you step on the court during a fight. Was that a fight? Guys step on the court constantly during the game. All this speculating and we all know the rules are pretty much up to the interpretation of the league and the situation at hand.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

That's part of it, but the officials have been letting minor contact go when teams are trying to intentionally foul. It sets the stage for exactly what we saw. Nash is in playoff mode and is reflexively going to sell the contact. If they'd just called Manu for the first one (I don't think he completely whiffed on him) the whole situation could have been prevented.

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That's the problem. It's that selling a foul is now a reflex. If refs continue to buy it then players will continue to flop. It wasn't needed in this instance and will probably end up killing the Suns. If Nash would have took the foul without trying to sell it, they still would have won and all of this would have been avoided. He just chose a bad time to sell the flagrant.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone

What opposite positions? I've said that rules are rules, and you have to uphold them if you want any kind of order. Therefore, many suspensions are warranted because of NBA rules.

Or, I said they could just let things go from now on and not suspend anyone. Not Horry, not Amare, and not the next person that checks someone into the table or elbows someone in the nose.

Learn to read ass. I've had one position the entire time.

oh, I forgot... go fuck yourself.

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No doubt that Horry has to be gone... but for how long? Does he get the Raja clothesline 1-gamer? Despite what Blackistone says, I think we might see Bell's tech rescinded because Horry led with the elbow to the neck and Raja hadn't thrown anything yet.

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Originally Posted by kps0001

why would he get suspended just because he stepped on the court? Isn't that rule intended for fights? If you step on the court during a fight. Was that a fight? Guys step on the court constantly during the game. All this speculating and we all know the rules are pretty much up to the interpretation of the league and the situation at hand.

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The rule says during an "altercation" I believe.

And yes, this would be considered an altercation.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007...ffight_412.jpg

So it's just a matter of them interpreting "vicinity" in regards to Amare.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I guess the point is rules and rules, but they are up to interpretation. The league will figure out two things 1) If they believe Amare was on his way to check-in 2) If they don't believe that, if they consider him "in the vicinity" of the bench.

It's not a hard fast automatic thing that he'll get suspended just because he stepped on the court.

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Amare got up, walked past the coaches box limit and onto the court, and attempted to get in the altercation. He was then held back by coaches. If that's not breaking the rule, then I don't know what is.

I will say this - I already question the NBA's integrity, and if they break their own rules just for the Suns I will never watch another NBA game again. I cannot watch a sporting event that's supposed to be on a fair playing field being fixed by the league officials just because they feel like it.

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Originally Posted by Purple & Gold

That's the problem. It's that selling a foul is now a reflex. If refs continue to buy it then players will continue to flop. It wasn't needed in this instance and will probably end up killing the Suns. If Nash would have took the foul without trying to sell it, they still would have won and all of this would have been avoided. He just chose a bad time to sell the flagrant.

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Wow - you've become immune to flopping and must think it occurs on every play. I don't think Nash was "selling the flagrant." I've been hit by guys 6 inches and 80 pounds bigger than me and I didn't have to "sell anything" when I got lifted off my feet and slid 15 feet across the hardwood on a foul before.