Pictures of Amare leaving the bench

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I guess the point is rules and rules, but they are up to interpretation. The league will figure out two things 1) If they believe Amare was on his way to check-in 2) If they don't believe that, if they consider him "in the vicinity" of the bench.

It's not a hard fast automatic thing that he'll get suspended just because he stepped on the court.

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i think the only way the front office doesn't suspend him is if 1) they ignore the urgent manner in which amare was going to check in during a dead ball/free throw situation, and 2) they ignore the precedence they've already set for vicinity.

it's possible they do it just for equity and fairness, but they'd still be cheating everybody and every team that had to suffer under the rule in the past.

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Originally Posted by Purple & Gold

That's the problem. If Nash would have took the foul without trying to sell it, they still would have won and all of this would have been avoided. He just chose a bad time to sell the flagrant.

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I agree, but don't you think the League understands that and takes it into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

The rule says during an "altercation" I believe.

And yes, this would be considered an altercation.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007...ffight_412.jpg

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Gotcha. I didn't know the exact wording of the rules but I remember hearing 'altercation'. Thanks

A quick question here....Where are the pics of the Spurs bench?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

The rule says during an "altercation" I believe.

And yes, this would be considered an altercation.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007...ffight_412.jpg

So it's just a matter of them interpreting "vicinity" in regards to Amare.

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Looks to me like Nash is getting raped

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I agree. But it depends on how hard the league wants to be about this kind of thing. If they get suspended, I'm sure they'll look at tape of the Spurs bench to see if anyone came on the court too.

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Yeah it depends, but I just can't see them suspending anybody for coming on to the court for a big game. I think they'll just hand out fines. Horry is prolly gone for game 5 though.

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Originally Posted by kps0001

A quick question here....Where are the pics of the Spurs bench?

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I'm sure the league has them or will have them. There's cameras from most every angle.

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

Looks to me like Nash is getting raped

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Its been a common theme throughout the series why would you expect something different now. :p:

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I'm sure the league has them or will have them. There's cameras from most every angle.

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I saw a few quick shots but that was it. It didn't look like anything happened over there but I am still curious as I am sure alot are.

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Originally Posted by Spurs rock

Yeah it depends, but I just can't see them suspending anybody for coming on to the court for a big game. I think they'll just hand out fines. Horry is prolly gone for game 5 though.

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So the fact that it's a playoff game means that they should get special treatment where others before them were punished with suspensions for far less? Sure.

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c. During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be suspended, without pay, for a minimum of one game and fined up to $50,000.
The suspensions will commence prior to the start of their next game.

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So for Amare, it's just going to come down to how they rule on "immediate vicinity".

Amare didn't help his case when he bold faced lied in the postgame interview. :lol He shouldn't have said he was already off the bench and trying to check in when it happened.

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Originally Posted by RonMexico

Wow - you've become immune to flopping and must think it occurs on every play. I don't think Nash was "selling the flagrant." I've been hit by guys 6 inches and 80 pounds bigger than me and I didn't have to "sell anything" when I got lifted off my feet and slid 15 feet across the hardwood on a foul before.

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Actually, Nash was selling the flagrant. It looked like he had just been murdered. Horry, like you said, is already much bigger. You can't tell me Nash didn't know the contact was coming.

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Originally Posted by kps0001

I saw a few quick shots but that was it. It didn't look like anything happened over there but I am still curious as I am sure alot are.

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doesn't really matter, all our important players were on the floor.

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Originally Posted by Dave McNulla

i think the only way the front office doesn't suspend him is if 1) they ignore the urgent manner in which amare was going to check in during a dead ball/free throw situation, and 2) they ignore the precedence they've already set for vicinity.

it's possible they do it just for equity and fairness, but they'd still be cheating everybody and every team that had to suffer under the rule in the past.

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Exactly. That's my whole point here.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

So for Amare, it's just going to come down to how they rule on "immediate vicinity".

Amare didn't help his case when he bold faced lied in the postgame interview. :lol He shouldn't have said he was already off the bench and trying to check in when it happened.

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yeah, that was pretty bad

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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone

So the fact that it's a playoff game means that they should get special treatment where others before them were punished with suspensions for far less? Sure.

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That's going to be a big consideration. As much as we, for selfish reasons, would love to see no suspensions, the league can't very well sell that to the rest of the league and retain credibility.

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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100

Looks to me like Nash is getting raped

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It also looks like Finley is trying to get a little Steve Javie action.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

So for Amare, it's just going to come down to how they rule on "immediate vicinity".

Amare didn't help his case when he bold faced lied in the postgame interview. :lol He shouldn't have said he was already off the bench and trying to check in when it happened.

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Yes, I really can't imagine the "just trying to check in" excuse will work--like Barkley said, it didn't work for him when he tried it. I would neither be surprised nor offended if the league didn't suspend either Stoudamire or Diaw, even though I think they weren't quite in the "immediate" vicinity of the bench. In general, I think the rule is fine, but the bottom line is I don't want the Spurs benefitting from the frustration caused by their own poor play (not that I can read Horry's mind). If Stoudamire and Diaw get away with a broken rule, I don't really care.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Actually, Nash was selling the flagrant. It looked like he had just been murdered. Horry, like you said, is already much bigger. You can't tell me Nash didn't know the contact was coming.

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Either way - I just watched the replay again - it was Finley, not Manu, who had the touch foul on Nash. Definitely could have been called, but maybe they thought the Spurs were going into "Rockets mode" for some reason and letting 10 seconds wind off the clock.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

That's going to be a big consideration. As much as we, for selfish reasons, would love to see no suspensions, the league can't very well sell that to the rest of the league and retain credibility.

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That's been my whole point. I want to see a game six with all the stars as much as anyone, but not at the expense of upholding the rules of the game. Once the rules are deemed arbitrary and not everyone is subject to them the game is ruined.

It's the fucking principle of the matter.

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Originally Posted by RonMexico

Wow - you've become immune to flopping and must think it occurs on every play. I don't think Nash was "selling the flagrant." I've been hit by guys 6 inches and 80 pounds bigger than me and I didn't have to "sell anything" when I got lifted off my feet and slid 15 feet across the hardwood on a foul before.

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I have no idea why you say I've become immune to flopping and think it happens on every play. But I know that won't stop you from assuming it.

Nash sold it. Of course I could be wrong because I'm not Steve Nash, but it sure did look like he was selling it. Horry dug the shoulder into him a little bit and Nash looked like he was in a pinball game.

And if you're flying 15 feet across the hardwood you might want to seriously think about taking some type of steroids. Or at least pick up a fucking weight from time to time.

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Originally Posted by UV Ray

I agree, but don't you think the League understands that and takes it into consideration.

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If he sells the contact and his own teammates are enraged by that, they can't very well penalize the other team for that.

I'm still not sure - the angle with which Nash got hit makes it hard to "sell the flagrant" in any specific way because he was already losing his footing. Perhaps he hoped to squeeze past Horry on the right? I'm not sure, but the only other way I could see his body go is if he turned as he was hit and kind of fell sideways toward the mid-court stripe. The leverage that Horry has on him is so immense with his size, height, and Nash's momentum.

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Originally Posted by miss paxton

Yes, I really can't imagine the "just trying to check in" excuse will work--like Barkley said, it didn't work for him when he tried it. I would neither be surprised nor offended if the league didn't suspend either Stoudamire or Diaw, even though I think they weren't quite in the "immediate" vicinity of the bench. In general, I think the rule is fine, but the bottom line is I don't want the Spurs benefitting from the frustration caused by their own poor play (not that I can read Horry's mind). If Stoudamire and Diaw get away with a broken rule, I don't really care.

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:drunk So would you still feel that way if people came to your house, robbed you, then shot you but the court decides that they don't mind if the perpetrators get away with a broken rule?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

So for Amare, it's just going to come down to how they rule on "immediate vicinity".

Amare didn't help his case when he bold faced lied in the postgame interview. :lol He shouldn't have said he was already off the bench and trying to check in when it happened.

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I agree. I do have to say though, even though biased. How can you honestly say that Amare wasn't told that on the next whistle get your ass up and in the game. He heard the whistle and got up to the scorers table unaware that an "altercation" would be taking place.

It all happened pretty quickly. We will just have to wait to see what the league comes down with but I wouldn't say it was an outright lie by Amare. We truly don't know.





and for those that think Nash did a great sell job...Did you hear how hard he hit the freakin scorers table? That was a fucking hip check by Horry that is used in the NHL. There was no selling of the play needed.