Pictures of Amare leaving the bench

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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone

So the fact that it's a playoff game means that they should get special treatment where others before them were punished with suspensions for far less? Sure.

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I don't make those decisions, the NBA does. I just put what I think is going to happen. I guess we'll find out tomorrow...

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As much as we, for selfish reasons, would love to see no suspensions, the league can't very well sell that to the rest of the league and retain credibility.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by RonMexico

Either way - I just watched the replay again - it was Finley, not Manu, who had the touch foul on Nash. Definitely could have been called, but maybe they thought the Spurs were going into "Rockets mode" for some reason and letting 10 seconds wind off the clock.

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Too bad they didn't call it. It pisses me off that they've been doing that more this year. They think they are being cute and this is the result. I expect to see a clear directive sent to the officials this summer that they are to blow the whistle on any physical contact on intentional fouls. When your adrenaline is flowing and you are desperate to get the clock stopped in a big game it's going to happen. I don't like to guess what Horry was thinking, but since it seems rather out of character to do something willfully dirty, and I don't recall his having any particular reason to be frustrated, it's possible that's all it was.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone

:drunk So would you still feel that way if people came to your house, robbed you, then shot you but the court decides that they don't mind if the perpetrators get away with a broken rule?

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Obviously I don't agree with that analogy. For one thing, in your hypothetical I would actually have been harmed, by property loss and personal injury; I don't see how Stoudamire and Diaw leaving the bench harmed the Spurs. Yes, the rule may have been broken but in this situation I think the rule is broad enough to allow some leeway, and I say again that I don't care if the league doesn't suspend Stoudamire and Diaw. It's my opinion; you don't have to agree with it.

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Originally Posted by UV Ray

I agree, but don't you think the League understands that and takes it into consideration.

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I don't think Amare will get away without being suspended, it's just way to obvious that he left the bench. I think they will let Diaw slide on this one. I'm sure Stern doesn't want this series being decided because of this play.

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Originally Posted by Spurs rock

I don't make those decisions, the NBA does. I just put what I think is going to happen. I guess we'll find out tomorrow...

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Do you really want to spend your time and money supporting a league that breaks it's own rules and skews the game one way or another? Not suspending Stoudemire and Diaw at the least would make all of the previous suspensions for rule violations unjust. Maybe it's me, but I don't want to waste my time supporting a fixed league.

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Originally Posted by miss paxton

Obviously I don't agree with that analogy. For one thing, in your hypothetical I would actually have been harmed, by property loss and personal injury; I don't see how Stoudamire and Diaw leaving the bench harmed the Spurs. Yes, the rule may have been broken but in this situation I think the rule is broad enough to allow some leeway, and I say again that I don't care if the league doesn't suspend Stoudamire and Diaw. It's my opinion; you don't have to agree with it.

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So rules and laws should only be enforced if someone is harmed? So the drunk driver who get's pulled over before he kills someone should be set free with no punishment?

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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone

Do you really want to spend your time and money supporting a league that breaks it's own rules and skews the game one way or another? Not suspending Stoudemire and Diaw at the least would make all of the previous suspensions for rule violations unjust. Maybe it's me, but I don't want to waste my time supporting a fixed league.

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....lol...we live in USA...George Fucking Bush does this shit everyday. You better get the hell outta the good ol US of A.

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Originally Posted by Purple & Gold

I have no idea why you say I've become immune to flopping and think it happens on every play. But I know that won't stop you from assuming it.

Nash sold it. Of course I could be wrong because I'm not Steve Nash, but it sure did look like he was selling it. Horry dug the shoulder into him a little bit and Nash looked like he was in a pinball game.

And if you're flying 15 feet across the hardwood you might want to seriously think about taking some type of steroids. Or at least pick up a fucking weight from time to time.

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Apparently, you've never been on a waxed hardwood floor. I got hit in a similar fashion as I was crossing half court by someone of comparable height/size difference as Horry to Nash and I slid about 15 feet. I was running so fast that my feet pretty much lifted off the ground and I slid half on my side and half on my ass until the momentum finally stopped.

If those boards weren't there, I'm pretty sure Nash would have done the same since he was forced to leave his feet. However, Nash was falling backwards (to brace himself?) while my momentum actually took me from half court to the FT line on the other side. I didn't see the guy coming though (more of a blindside hit) so if Nash saw Horry, he probably could have slowed up more.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone

So rules and laws should only be enforced if someone is harmed? So the drunk driver who get's pulled over before he kills someone should be set free with no punishment?

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As I mentioned before, it's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I'm not going to analogize criminal statutes to NBA rules, as I consider that to be apples and oranges.

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Originally Posted by kps0001

and for those that think Nash did a great sell job...Did you hear how hard he hit the freakin scorers table? That was a fucking hip check by Horry that is used in the NHL. There was no selling of the play needed.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I never suggested that he wasn't hit very very hard. However I think he made the same motion to sell the contact that he's done a thousand times this season, which made the foul look like a death blow. Since we all reacted to it, and since Nash wasn't actually dead, the facts fit what I thought I saw at the time. Anyone that watches him knows that he's added taking charges and drawing contact to his rep this year. I'll have to go back and watch it to verify that I saw what I saw, but I recognized the motion immediately. Doesn't mean he didn't get fouled. Doesn't mean Horry doesn't deserve a suspension. I'm talking about what he did and why his teammates reacted immediately in his defense, which may end up costing them.

The NBA has had plenty of opportunities to amend this stupid rule, they didn't so now people will probably get suspended, and the series will be questioned. Maybe after this they will decide to fix the problem. But to just throw out the rules to keep the series good would shit in the face of anyone suspended by this rule.

Suns need either Amare OR Diaw... but if both are gone then it spells trouble. Pat Burke and Sean Marks time!

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Originally Posted by kps0001

....lol...we live in USA...George Fucking Bush does this shit everyday. You better get the hell outta the good ol US of A.

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Talk basketball or take that shit to the political forum. This ain't the place.

Well I hope Amare doesn't get suspended. Even though he's not as powerful as he was in 2005, he's still awesome to watch and it would be a shame if he got suspended.

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Originally Posted by RonMexico

Suns need either Amare OR Diaw... but if both are gone then it spells trouble. Pat Burke and Sean Marks time!

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That's what I said earlier Amare and the guy that takes Amare's place could be gone.

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Originally Posted by kps0001

....lol...we live in USA...George Fucking Bush does this shit everyday. You better get the hell outta the good ol US of A.

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And that makes it right? I can't do anything about where I was born and live, but I can control what entertainment I support. Life is unfair, I understand that as much as anyone, but changing and ignoring rules and laws for the benefit of a few is wrong. Sports are about the last venue on earth where people can expect a fair playing field, and now the NBA is progressing towards taking that way from professional basketball fans. It's a sad day, because once sports become muddied by politics and corruption - there's nothing left.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

I don't know about anyone else, but I never suggested that he wasn't hit very very hard. However I think he made the same motion to sell the contact that he's done a thousand times this season, which made the foul look like a death blow. Since we all reacted to it, and since Nash wasn't actually dead, the facts fit what I thought I saw at the time. Anyone that watches him knows that he's added taking charges and drawing contact to his rep this year. I'll have to go back and watch it to verify that I saw what I saw, but I recognized the motion immediately. Doesn't mean he didn't get fouled. Doesn't mean Horry doesn't deserve a suspension. I'm talking about what he did and why his teammates reacted immediately in his defense, which may end up costing them.

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OK I follow you. Yes Nash has become great at getting that charge and drawing contact.

Latest Daily Dime from Marc Stein:

"First things first, since it's obviously what everyone wants to know about: The suspension question. By the letter of the law, Stoudemire and Boris Diaw have to be hit with one-game suspensions for leaving the bench after Horry cracked Nash. This is a virtually iron-clad NBA rule, except for the time back in 2002 that Doug Christie was attacked in the tunnel by Rick Fox in a Lakers-Kings exhibition game and several Kings players left the bench to assist him. The league ruled that time that no one, in the heat of the moment, knew exactly who Christie was tangling with, resulting in some unexpected pardons. In this case, Stoudemire clearly strayed into the court for a brief moment and even Suns coach Mike D'Antoni couldn't stifle a postgame laugh when Phoenix tried to suggest that Stoudemire was heading to the scorer's table to check in after the foul.

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Stoudemire and Diaw never made it near the scrum, as Suns assistant coaches scrambled them back to the bench. Nor did Monday's incident ever become an actual brawl, with referees Joe DeRosa and Javie getting between Nash and Horry before it could escalate. There is also a growing perception, most of all, that Bowen was shown a good deal of leniency by the league office after being accused of intentionally kicking a dunking Stoudemire in Game 2 and kneeing Nash in Game 3 . . . and going unpunished in both cases. Doesn't the league have to balance that against the notion of "staying consistent" on leaving-the-bench suspensions?"

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Originally Posted by miss paxton

As I mentioned before, it's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I'm not going to analogize criminal statutes to NBA rules, as I consider that to be apples and oranges.

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in relation to importance to society, yes. But rules are rules and all rules are inherently the same in nature.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Talk basketball or take that shit to the political forum. This ain't the place.

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i was just making a joke. I don't know shit about politics and I ain't gonna pretend I do.

Sorry for my lame attempt at humor, once again. Damn I suck at jokes.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone

And that makes it right? I can't do anything about where I was born and live, but I can control what entertainment I support. Life is unfair, I understand that as much as anyone, but changing and ignoring rules and laws for the benefit of a few is wrong. Sports are about the last venue on earth where people can expect a fair playing field, and now the NBA is progressing towards taking that way from professional basketball fans. It's a sad day, because once sports become muddied by politics and corruption - there's nothing left.

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Liberals are ruining this country.

"Conservative ideals" would let the players settle it on the court, but in the world where everyone gets a medal for participating, we need to have "rules are rules" arguments.

And yes, I am a moderate.

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Originally Posted by kps0001

i was just making a joke. I don't know shit about politics and I ain't gonna pretend I do.

Sorry for my lame attempt at humor, once again. Damn I suck at jokes.

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No worries. I just don't want the discussion to degenerate into fights over politics or bad calls. I'd still rather talk about actual basketball than rules interpretations or crime scene investigation, but it beats the hell out of complaining about calls.

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Originally Posted by Spurs rock

I hate to say this but...Amare should NOT get suspended. The Suns shouldn't suffer for Horry's stupidity.

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but should Amare suffer for his stupidity?

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Originally Posted by RonMexico

Liberals are ruining this country.

"Conservative ideals" would let the players settle it on the court, but in the world where everyone gets a medal for participating, we need to have "rules are rules" arguments.

And yes, I am a moderate.

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Again, knock off the political shit. This ain't the fucking place.