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Now here's some interesting takes on how the Suns fans think (if you can call that thinking).
Edit: Oh, read farther into the thread with desires expressed such as snipers, body bags, etc.
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Now here's some interesting takes on how the Suns fans think (if you can call that thinking).
Edit: Oh, read farther into the thread with desires expressed such as snipers, body bags, etc.
i guess spurs fans need to visit and advise them to be "classy".
its no different than the support dirty spurs and robert horry should have hit him harder threads.
shooting someone is the same as 'fouling' someone ?
What god awful crazy world do you live in ?
Morons are morons, no matter what city they're from.
Horry didn't try to hurt Nash. Nash just acted like a little bitch and Amare & Diaw were fucking stupid enough to leave the bench. You Suns fans are talking about purposely hurting another player.
What Horry did was low class. But what some of those motherfuckers are suggesting is straight criminal
38 years and no rings....youd be pissed too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike
ill saw off duncans legs with a butter knife. :toast
a bunch of teenage kiddos from the 'burbs ready to do 25 to life in federal pound it in the ass prison
fucking moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunsbum
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Originally Posted by Strike
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Originally Posted by sunsbum
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Obviously the Suns aren't going to send Pat Burke out there to injure one of the Spurs' stars. If they did that, the consequences would be enormous for their entire franchise. Not only would D'Antoni miss the rest of the playoffs, and a significant part of the 2007-08 season, and receive a six-figure fine on top of it, but the Suns organization would be fined up to seven figures and probably would have its top draft choice confiscated.
But it would not surprise me at all to see Suns fans sneaking in D-cells in their pockets and purses.
fuck hurting the spurs, i want to take out stern. hes lucky his ass cancled comming to the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Well when you just had the league bend you over and fuck you in the ass, you'd probably be a bit testy too.
:lol :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
[QUOTE=XylusWell when you just had the league bend you over and fuck you in the ass, you'd probably be a bit testy too.
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thats what the refs do to us :lol
I didn't see any spurs jump up and leave the bench... the rules are in place for a reason... either sit your ass on the bench and let the ref's sort it out .. or live with the results...
hopefully not many will commit suicide.
How exactly did they do that? By not ignoring the rules for your team? By making your team's players pay the price for their infraction? Not suprising from a fan base that's complained about the unfair officiating and the "hard hits" they've suffered from the beginning of the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
No, because they enforced an absolutely moronic rule that makes no sense to the detriment of our team when they were the non-aggressor in the altercation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I dont know the reason why they hate the spurs as a team. its not like Pop instructed Horry to do it to Nash. we all have a few demons inside of us and unfortunatley Horry showed his out of frustration.
Hate the NBA system, the Spurs didnt ask for suspensions. all of us has been cheated out of a probably very good game 5.
All I know is, Pat Burke has 6 fouls to give.
I want the Spurs to remember every single one.
Dont hurt anyone, but make Parker think twice about cutting to the lane.
It doesn't sound like most Suns fan want to hurt the Spurs, just play Post season basketball. Isn't that what everybody says it is. This is why i think the way teams play in the post season is a bunch of crap. Why is it ok for a guy to check someone or clothesline them. That is not basketball. I played the game and that is not basketball. that is those with no ability trying to make up for it.
yeah, bell was totally passiveQuote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
That rule makes sense. You're just pissed two of your guys were too stupid to obey it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
What would you do?? Take a couple of steps in support of your teammate or sit on the bench???
Why would a player remember a foul if it didn't hurt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Booyah30
You either want it to hurt or make the player think he'll be hurt next time.
To not expect players to react when your leader is decked right in front of you is asinine. What you do is enforce the rules on a case by case basis instead of leaving yourself no room for interpretation or mitigating circumstances. What happened is that Phoenix was punished for a cheap shot delivered by the other team.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So the next time theres a Detroit incident, we will see how "stupid" the rule is.
Stand off of the court like everyone else on your team was smart enough to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Booyah30
I'm getting sick of Suns fans. Do ppl need to explain the rule 100000000000 times to them?
The Spurs had their second leading scorer taken out of the playoffs by a dirty hit. Nobody left the bench and the guy committing the foul wasn't suspended a single game. In fact, he committed another hard foul on another Spur the following game. Nobody left the bench. If your players don't know the rules, it's not the NBA's job to bail them out. Grow up and deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
This just shows how pathedic Horry is to go to violance is unexceptable if karma exsists Suns will win
intentions to fight or not amare and diaw broke the rule.
I've been browsing this forum throughout the series and I'll be making my first post.
I've always had lots of respect for the Spurs. The Duncan/Robinson era was one that we won't see again. Anytime you have two bigs dominate... it's a rare thing. But after this series my mentality of the Spurs has gone from class acts to just con-artists.
Now, hear us Suns fans out, as I think I speak on behalf of most of them.
Consider these key facts:
-Robert Horry instigated by the rough foul. Sure he needed to foul and grabbing around the waist would have worked, but instead he choose to lower his shoulder into Nash.
-Earlier in the game both Duncan and Bowen ran onto the court during a hard foul call. Neither are suspened. Yet two of our players, who both went in to calm the situation, rather blow it up, are now suspended for a must win game.
If your proud to have a person like Robert Horry on your team, shame on you. I'll be honest, I was dissapointed Raja Bell stooped to Kobe Bryant's level last year.
By this post, I'm not looking to start a war. Just showing you a Suns fans thoughts...
Chris Sheridan puts it more eloquently than I ever could do, so here's the article:Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...sheridan_chris
If Karma exists, it's the reason Amare and Diaw are suspended.
every player in the league knows that rule. save for a couple of suns, apparently.
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Originally Posted by Booyah30
You sit on the bench. That is how you support the team.
What help was Amare or Barbosa to their team? None.
All their stupidity did was further injure their team.
I feel no sympathy for them, personally. They knew the rules and they broke them.
To quote Shaq ( can't believe I am- what is world coming to? :lol) " You do the crime, you have to pay the time."
Robert deserved his suspension- love the guy, but he does.
No one was unfairly punished here.
Pathedic?Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNS ROCK
Violance?
Unexceptable?
Exsists?
WTF language are you speaking, rube?
if you read 07 seconds or less, or whatever that toilet tissue book was that I read.
Amare is about as dumb as mud on a post.
So him rushing out in that situation and getting himself suspended isn't suprising.
So, basically Suns fans want the NBA to start regulating intent?
Putting Pat Burke in goon mode..... WTF?? Hello let me show you to the clue vending machine. Insert coin....
If you thought about this for one second, you'd realize that this is exactly WHAT THE REFS WILL BE LOOKING FOR. The first goon hit will be an instant Flagrant 2 and ejection. Then where will they be?
Or as I like to say, God don't like ugly. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Um, that's an insider article, so all that shows up is the first two paragraphs calling it stupid. That's about as eloquent as you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
Explain to me why the NBA should ignore the rules for your team, when it has rigidly stuck to the leaving the bench equals an automatic suspension for everyone else since the inception of the rule. Players are responsible for their actions.
For example, I think the Horry suspension is way too harsh. But if Horry didn't want to be suspended he shouldn't have committed a hard foul or he should have figured out a way to look a little more like he didn't mean to do it. Once he made the hit he lost control of his own fate. Therefore what I think doesn't matter because Horry broke the rules.
I'm even more eloquent.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
It's a rule. Follow it or face the consequences. If you don't like the rule, get it changed, but don't complain about it's existence after several years and expect it to be ignored.
and nash chose to drive right at horry with no room between him and the sideline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phill11
difference is, there was no altercation. a player goes to the ground hard and his teammates come off the bench to see if he's alright. that is no subject to the rule. which, of course, is why they were not suspended.Quote:
-Earlier in the game both Duncan and Bowen ran onto the court during a hard foul call. Neither are suspened. Yet two of our players, who both went in to calm the situation, rather blow it up, are now suspended for a must win game.
stoudemire and bell weren't responding just to nash lying on the ground playing dead but rather to bell trying to start something with horry. altercation. suspension. fairly clear.
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If your proud to have a person like Robert Horry on your team, shame on you. I'll be honest, I was dissapointed Raja Bell stooped to Kobe Bryant's level last year.
a sun fan thinks?Quote:
By this post, I'm not looking to start a war. Just showing you a Suns fans thoughts...
No Pat Burke?! God help us! We have no chance!Quote:
Originally Posted by YoMamaIsCallin
They wanted the NBA to regulate intent when they wanted Bowen suspended for his vicious leg sweep on Amare's surgically repaired knee or Bowen's flying donkey kick of Nash's vaginal area. Why should this be any different?Quote:
Originally Posted by L.I.T
Earlier in the game both Duncan and Bowen ran onto the court during a hard foul call. Neither are suspened. Yet two of our players, who both went in to calm the situation, rather blow it up, are now suspended for a must win game.
How can you say that the leauge was right? That shows that the out come is unfair
The Suns need to be careful as to not to overreact to fouls and such.....the ref's may see it as a type of retaliation and may call it more one sided. It is a fine line.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
:lmao :lmao :lmaoQuote:
who both went in to calm the situation
The rule was clear and had to be enforced. But it's a bad rule, and having it on the books ruined this series.
My bad, didn't realize it was insider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
And the NBA shouldn't just ignore the rule for "my team", I thought that this shit was ridiculous when it happened in 1997, and then the bench players actually contributed to the fracas. It leaves nothing open to interpretation and punishes the Phoenix players for a brawl that they had no business in starting, and a brawl that their actions did not escalate in the slightest.
So really they're being suspended arbitrarily as a result of a brawl that they had nothing to do with. Sounds pretty fucking stupid to me.
what about intent when nash tripped up bowen? or perhaps when bell shoved oberto down? or when bell came down hard on horry? bell's been doing that kind of shit for years. one hard playoff foul and suddenly horry's the dirtiest player in the league. that's some funny shit. it goes to show you how insular suns fans are. then again, almost 4 decades without any rings would probably lead most fans down that path.
I don't agree with the rule, but them's the rules... and I'll take the advantage it gives us any day, especially after the one sided bullshit officiating in Game 4.
(to the tune of That's Amore):
"When your team goes bye bye and your fans don't know why, ask Amare! Ask Amare..."
At least they're selectively consistent in applying their blinders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Quote of the day. I feel terrible for Suns fans. Perhaps the league will take a look at this in the off-season and further some of the language already in this rule and take a long, hard look at circumstantial evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
No, they are really being suspended as a result of leaving the bench vicinity during an altercation.Quote:
So really they're being suspended arbitrarily as a result of a brawl that they had nothing to do with.
The rest of your team was smart enough to avoid doing this.
nah, they're suspended for not following a rule that's been around for over a decade. maybe if they were rooks you could understand, but sadly that's not the case. the rule's meant to prevent fights from escalating. for the most part it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
A calm situation? Are really that bias or blind? It was even close to being the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNS ROCK
The key word in the rule is "altercation". The duncan and Bowen "incident wasn't even close. The 2 players never even looked at each other afterwards.
Oh no! God help the NBA, they left the bench! They had shit to do with a fight that a Spurs player started, and took like five steps before coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Yall must be dense. The rule is stupid. They had shit all to do with the fight and their actions did absolutely nothing to escalate the fight. Hence there should be no punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by violentkitten
who really started the fight? bell got in horry's face after the hard foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
I think the situation sucks for a number of reasons, but it alwayas amazes me how players break rules that they know ARE THERE and then bitch about getting punished for it. THEY KNEW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN!! Excercise some fucking self control for fuck sake!! Why the fuck aren't the Suns mad at Amare and Diaw for being that fucking stupid in the first place??
EDIT: I'll throw another "fuck" in there for good measure...
So you are implying that it would have been okay for them to escalate the incident because a player from the other team started it?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
nah, we get it. a couple of players from your favorite team were too dense to follow what is a rather clear rule. now you think the rule is unfair because their stupidity has penalized your team in the next game.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
For those of you who disagree with the rule, some questions:
1) Why
2) How would you amend it?
3) What do you see as the benefits and/ or risk that would come with the change?
Escalation happened after the foul. Horry hits Nash, Nash goes down, Nash pops back up, Bell rushes Horry (hence escalation), Nash rushes Horry, players on court converge...Amare and Diaw rush off the bench and break coaches box, Sun assistants gang tackle Amare and Diaw...players on court hug to show solidarity.
Suns players escalated the situation after the foul.
So it is a stupid rule, doesn't mean you can break it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
Do you go 70mph in a 60mph zone because it is stupid?
But you said yourself that the rule leaves nothing open to interpretation. The entire league knows that. All the players know that. Hell, even you seem to know that. They are therefore not being suspended arbitrarily. I'm not sure why you have a problem with the league enforcing the rules on your team exactly the same way they've been enforced against every other team for ten years. Saying that you disliked it all along doesn't give you immunity. You need to try to understand that NBA players are made aware of this rule all the time and Amare and Diaw broke that rule. I'd like to see them not be suspended too, but there's just no way that was going to be possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
The rule was broken. They broke the rule. The rule states a one game suspension if you break it. The fact that you disagree with a rule doesn't give you the right to break it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
if only the league would enforce fouls in like manner.
29 to 14? rofl.
1) Because it's inflexible wording does not allow the NBA to view situations on a case by case fairness, and its meaning has been skewed so that players are punished unfairly.Quote:
Originally Posted by angel_luv
2) Change the wording to "any player that escalates an altercation shall be dealt with as the league sees fit".
3) This way the league can view each situation as an individual situation and not have their hand forced by set-in-stone rules.
The Suns fans weren't disagreeing with the rule when they were trying to get Duncan and Bowen suspended, they are just disagreeing with it when their players get tagged for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by angel_luv
The rule is stupid. The league should have sacked up, admitted they were wrong, and admit that suspensions to Diaw/Stoudemire would not fit in with the original intent of the rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
4. require invisible fence dog collars for all players on the suns bench as that apparently is the only way they will stay there when a fight breaks out on the court.
1) It is too rigid.Quote:
Originally Posted by angel_luv
2) Give the league more latitude in deciding whether to suspend players for leaving the bench, or merely to fine them.
3) The benefit would be that the league would be better able to take into consideration the circumstances of each incident, and mete out punishment accordingly. Another benefit is that the newfound incentive to take a cheap shot at an opposing player in hopes of baiting his teammates to come off the bench and get suspended would be eliminated.
One risk would be that the league could be accused of playing favorites if it is not consistent. Another risk would be that some hothead presses his luck thinking he won't get punished too badly, and escalates an altercation into something ugly.
I think the benefits outweigh the risks.
You kind of have half of it figured out. You understand that it's a very clear rule, yet you don't want your team to have to suffer for breaking it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
lmao. 'the league shouldn't enforce a rule that has been consistently applied for the past decade when it hurts my team.' damn, stop whining.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
No, you are definitely dense. If the rule is stupid, why didn't I hear you ranting about it the past decade before your players were stupid enough to break it?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
all it would take is the rule being repealed and a future benches clearing brawl resulting in a knee injury to Stoudemire to change whiney's tune. better yet, who would whiney blame if stoudemire had left the bench to protect his girlfriend nash's honor and ended up with a season ending and/or career threatening injury? the rule was created to reduce the potential for that kind of thing.
Because I didn't post here in 1997?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
The rule is the rule. The league would never admit anything of the kind, because the suspensions to Diaw/Stoudamire fit in exactly with the original intent of the rule. You are not to leave the bench during an altercation. Period. Amare and Diaw did exactly that. Their intent is not relevant, and the NBA made sure that everyone understands that. For some reason, you feel the need for special treatment. Somehow, your team is above the rules and you shouldn't have to follow them just because you think it's "stupid".Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
You should sack up, admit you are wrong, and that your team should have known the rules of the game and been aware of the situation.
As for the rule, I think players should not be allowed to leave the bench and if they do, should be suspended every time in every circumstance, regardless of the escalation level.
Fines don't bother players... being kept out of the games does.
You want to get their attention, suspension is how you do it.
Anyone without the self control to stay at the bench when not in or on way in the game, doesn't deserve to play.
But you made petitions, wrote the league, picketed games -- right?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
Because it didn't matter to him until his players got suspended. But he hates the rule retroactively to the time it was instituted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
sun fan is all for 'subjective interpretations' now considering that horry got 2 games for a flagrant 2 when the opposing player saw him in front of him and ran into him anyways while davis got no suspension for his flagrant 2 on fisher. funny how in both cases the star ended up getting the best of it. institute an ironclad rule that makes no distinction between star and sean marks and suddenly we have a major problem in the game. lmao. suck it up.
Once again, stop bringing this "my team" business into the whole argument. This rule fucked the Knicks over and it fucked the Suns over too. Both times it wasn't right, and it has nothing to do with me suddenly getting pissed just because the Suns are the ones at the receiving end this time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
The intent of the rule was to prevent bench clearing brawls and to stop fights from escalating. Neither Diaw or Stoudemire did anything to escalate the altercation (it wasn't really a fight) and therefore they should not be punished.
Nope. And I'm not writing petitions or picketing games now either. I probably would've written the league if I had email. What's the point? The rule was stupid in 1997 and it's stupid in 2007.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
god, i have to put on friggen waders to get through the river of tears phoenix fan is crying.
christ grow a pair.
when you have a fight on the floor it's probably best that there are fewer players involved. the knicks and suns were screwed over by the fact their players were unable to refrain going onto the court when they were not supposed to. fuck interpretations that protect stars when they can't follow a basic rule.
You're a regular Norma Rae.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
Your not very set in your convictions obviously.Quote:
Nope. And I'm not writing petitions or picketing games now either. I probably would've written the league if I had email. What's the point? The rule was stupid in 1997 and it's stupid in 2007.
Amare. Knows. The. Rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
Amare. Broke. The. Rule.
It. Doesn't. Matter. If. The. Rule. Is. Stupid.
Mandatory. Suspension.
wasn't she the one that petition congress to make thanksgiving a holiday.Quote:
You're a regular Norma Rae.
Ahhhhhhhhh.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
No.
missed it by that much...
Fight the Power!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
http://www.newsic.it/assets/images3/fo_in_pe_g.jpg
And just for your information, Suns homer: The NBA changed the rule that screwed the Knicks allowing for a guy to just stand up as long as he stays in the area. Amare shattered that one when he darted right toward Horry.
Except when it involves looking up an email address.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt