Suns fans out of control

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Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt

The rule was stupid in 1997 and it's stupid in 2007, but I didn't care about it until this afternoon, and my team should get to play by a different set of rules because fast break basketball is AWESOME.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Amare. Knows. The. Rule.

Amare. Broke. The. Rule.

It. Doesn't. Matter. If. The. Rule. Is. Stupid.

Mandatory. Suspension.

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try braille, maybe then he'll get it

*Sigh*

You know, I'm not sure there is any tweak they could do to that rule that would have kept Amare from getting suspended. Diaw took a few steps, thought better of it, and turned back. In a perfect world, he doesn't get punished.

Amare was about to go all Stephen Jackson if not for his assistant coach bear-hugging him.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Except when it involves looking up an email address.

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I didn't even have email in '97.

I'm going to try that the next time I get pulled over. "Speeding laws are stupid. I thought so even before you pulled me over. You should totally let me off with a warning."

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Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt

Nope. And I'm not writing petitions or picketing games now either. I probably would've written the league if I had email. What's the point? The rule was stupid in 1997 and it's stupid in 2007.

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Couldn't afford a stamp?
Could have gone to a local library to use email.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

I know that what Diaw and Stoudemire did had absolutely nothing to do with the fight and that the intent of the rule has been clearly perverted, but I'm too afraid of a Suns team at full strength so I need Sugar Daddy David Stern to bail my ass out.

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Hypothetical: The rule is designed to prevent escalating altercations into full-scale brawls. In this instance, isn't it abundantly clear that the rule worked? Without the assistant coaches getting involved, what do you think Amare and Diaw would have done? Reviewing the pictures and Amare's reaction it's fairly clear he wanted to get involved. Based on his intent, the rule did it's job.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

I'm going to try that the next time I get pulled over. "Speeding laws are stupid. I thought so even before you pulled me over. You should totally let me off with a warning."

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Rosa Parks deserved to be arrested because she was breaking the law.

See, both this and your analogy are fucking stupid and have nothing to do with basketball.

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

try braille, maybe then he'll get it

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Here is is in semaphore.

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Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt

I didn't even have email in '97.

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I don't care how poor you are.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

I don't care how poor you are.

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Why did you think I was fighting the power? :p:

you do notice that the rule is there to PREVENT brawls! as in to keep from occurring; avert; hinder: He intervened to prevent bloodshed, to act ahead of, to precede, to anticipate! Amare didn't need to get involved in order to get suspended, the rule is there to prevent his ass from leaving the bench so he CAN'T get involved in the first place!!

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Here is is in semaphore.

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:lol

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc

you do notice that the rule is there to PREVENT brawls! as in to keep from occurring; avert; hinder: He intervened to prevent bloodshed, to act ahead of, to precede, to anticipate! Amare didn't need to get involved in order to get suspended, the rule is there to prevent his ass from leaving the bench so he CAN'T get involved in the first place!!

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Yeah, but who's to say the he would've escalated the situation? Diaw defintely did it, he reacted suddenly and then pulled right back, but it seems pretty logical to me that assisstant coaches would've restrained STAT (even though he really didn't need to be restrained that much) the same way if there wasn't a rule. Because if he actually, you know, did anything, then the league would have (and should have) dropped the hammer on him.

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Originally Posted by Phill11

-Earlier in the game both Duncan and Bowen ran onto the court during a hard foul call. Neither are suspened. Yet two of our players, who both went in to calm the situation, rather blow it up, are now suspended for a must win game.

If your proud to have a person like Robert Horry on your team, shame on you. I'll be honest, I was dissapointed Raja Bell stooped to Kobe Bryant's level last year.

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Um, if you really think Amare and Boris were going out there to calm the situation, something is wrong with you. Tim and Bowen didn't "run onto the court after a hard foul call" either. Elson fell and Tim stepped into the three point area and Bruce pulled him back. The difference is, the rule defines coming onto the court during an altercation an auto-suspension, and Elson falling on the floor wasn't an altercation.

Take off the homer goggles dude. Amare was trying to start shit.

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Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt

Rosa Parks deserved to be arrested because she was breaking the law.

See, both this and your analogy are fucking stupid and have nothing to do with basketball.

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suddenly, a guy pulling down multi-seven figures for playing a game annually is a poor black woman in 1950s alabama arrested for breaking a segregationist law.

you are one pathetic mofo.

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Yeah, but who's to say the he would've escalated the situation?

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Who's to say he wouldn't have?

Maybe he should email the league his intent before he leaves the bench and then waited for approval. I know he's rich enough to have email.

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Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt

Rosa Parks deserved to be arrested because she was breaking the law.

See, both this and your analogy are fucking stupid and have nothing to do with basketball.

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So Amare is a civil rights leader now?

I belive Martin Luther King said it best:

"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law. One who accidentally breaks the law and then complains when he gets arrested is just a dumb little bitch."

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Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt

Yeah, but who's to say the he would've escalated the situation? Diaw defintely did it, he reacted suddenly and then pulled right back, but it seems pretty logical to me that assisstant coaches would've restrained STAT (even though he really didn't need to be restrained that much) the same way if there wasn't a rule. Because if he actually, you know, did anything, then the league would have (and should have) dropped the hammer on him.

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But he did do something. He broke a rule that's just as valid as any other NBA rule.

Somehow I think that if Amare had gone in and put a Kermit Washington on Horry you'd be saying it was justified because Horry started it.

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Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt

Yeah, but who's to say the he would've escalated the situation? Diaw defintely did it, he reacted suddenly and then pulled right back, but it seems pretty logical to me that assisstant coaches would've restrained STAT (even though he really didn't need to be restrained that much) the same way if there wasn't a rule. Because if he actually, you know, did anything, then the league would have (and should have) dropped the hammer on him.

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thats the whole point of the rule, to eliminate the "who's to say" scenario bro. Why leave things to chance when you can effectively cut the problem at the source. Lets face it, Amare wasn't going out there to advocate holding hands and sing Kumbaya bro. Diaw turned back that is true, but Amare didn't, and that is why they shouldn't even have left the bench in the first place.

Free at last. Free at last. One day we'll thank God Almighty we're free at last to leave this bench.?

so does trolling make one stupid or do only the stupid troll?

Nothing like a good ignorant troll to bring us all together. I don't think we've been this much in agreement on anything ever. :lmao

Sun Fan, get it through your fucking head.

It does not matter if you think the rule is stupid, it does not matter if Amare and Diaw didn't escalate the situation. THEY BROKE THE RULE. Plain and fucking simple. All your bitching isn't going to change it. They had no business leaving the bench and Amare and Diaw are morons for doing it. They broke the rule, and they will do their time.

Once again;

IT'S A RULE. THEY BROKE IT. GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

Just because you think a rule is stupid doesn't mean it shouldn't be enforced. You think an officer is going to let you off a speeding ticket because you tell him you weren't trying to escalate any danger and you just wanted to get home so you could shit? Don't think so. Take off the homer goggles.

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Originally Posted by violentkitten

and nash chose to drive right at horry with no room between him and the sideline.

difference is, there was no altercation. a player goes to the ground hard and his teammates come off the bench to see if he's alright. that is no subject to the rule. which, of course, is why they were not suspended.

stoudemire and bell weren't responding just to nash lying on the ground playing dead but rather to bell trying to start something with horry. altercation. suspension. fairly clear.

rofl

a sun fan thinks?

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Nash caught the inbound and tried to dribble to his left, Finley was guarding there, so I tried to make a move to his right and Horry was there.

Hypothetical question: What if say Tim Duncan caught the in-bound and Amare was there waiting to shoulder him to the sidelines and did so. Your telling me you'd want say Bruce Bowen and Tony Parker suspended for standing up for their team leader.

If anyone on the Suns was trying to stir the pot it was Bell and Nash. Bell had his choice words he said and Nash got up and was ready to fight. Look at the pictures.

The only flopping Nash did was throwing his arms in the air... But in no way does that compare to the flop jobs done by both Manu Ginobli and Raja Bell. Nash got fouled hard and fell over and acted a bit. Those two get poked and fall over.

I think the Spurs may be asking for it next game though, not a hard foul, but a more intense play. When Raja was suspended last year, it lit a flame under the Suns. Amare being suspended and this whole controversy around the series will really get them going. Game 5 should be intresting...