unless the suns win game 5
deep down a lot of us know this is a bullshit way to potentially win a series like this
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unless the suns win game 5
deep down a lot of us know this is a bullshit way to potentially win a series like this
win is win who cares
Yeah, but it was legit when Phoenix beat us a couple of years ago with Duncan out. Where's all the bitching and moaning about that? Damn, let it go.
All Suns fans, some Spurs fans, and most of the rest of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnkleBreaker21
gay
christ amused grow a pair.
The series became tainted the moment those suns of bitches started whining about the calls not going there way.
taint is the space on my ass.
Deep down I am disappointed that Amare and Boris can't control themselves. They would have had the advantage if their dumb asses had just stayed off the court.
Was it the Spurs fault that Stoudemire's dumbass couldn't stay on the bench? We already know he's not that smart.
No different than when Dirk Diggler was out in Game 5 of the '03 Spurs/Mavs series. Regardless of the reason they were missing their star. Was that series tainted?
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Originally Posted by Xylus
:tu
and injuries are part of the game aggie, but controversial BS suspensions shouldn't be
What the hell does that have to do with this series? Why would you be bitching about something that happened years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
I guarantee you--if Duncan and Bowen had been suspended instead of Amare and Diaw, you'd be just as upset. In fact, it would be odd if you weren't.
:lol :lol :lol :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
The Suns marred the series with their off-court tactics right after Game 1. It was already 'tainted'.
Somehow Suns fans don't wish to admit this.
Injuries are part of the game (cf. 2003 championship). Cheap shots aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
The reality is -- the players just play the game -- they did not make the ruling!
Yea, I know. I kinda want them to lose tomorrow, then we win game 6 back here, and then play em game 7 when they are at full and then beat them. But a wins a win and they broke the rules, so they have to pay.
Nah, rules are rules. I'm upset that Horry was suspended, but Horry is responsible for it. Just like Boris and Amare are responsible for theirs.
Yep, so we expect your contempt, but at the same time we don't really give a shit :drunkQuote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
Like others said.Quote:
but controversial BS suspensions shouldn't be
Im gonna use that the next time I get stopped for speeding.
"Ya know this rule is stupid, and alot of the country feels its stupid, so I think you oughtta let me go"
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
I agree, you can only beat who is in front of you. Winning this series doesn't mean squat for either team, 8 more wins after the fact are all that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
tainted is not a word appropriate for this forum.
:lol How is it controversial when the rule was there all along. You're acting like they added it to the rule book last night. As much as suns fans would like to believe, the world is not against them and there is no conspiracy involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
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Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Ugh huh, because something like this has never happened in the history of the NBA, it is so unprecedented that it will forever remain a mystery as to why Amare and Diaw were suspended by the league. They never could have predicted that by STEPPING ON TO THE COURT DURING A FIGHT WOULD COST THEM A GAME....I mean its so bloody unfair.
And never has a team been able to come back from a one game suspension to a key player to go on and win the series. No team has ever lost a player and still won the series.
There have been exceptions to the rule in the past, so it's not completely black-and-white. The fact is, these suspensions are a result of actions that had no effect on the "altercation." The punishment does not fit the crime at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
They've put a black mark on a series that would otherwise be the best of the playoffs.
But any player leaving the bench area give control of the suspension to the league, which will decide whatever it wants using whatever criteria it chooses. Why give them that power? Show some self-control and stay in the fucking bench area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
Rules committee meetings are the time to whine about this, not the playoffs.I agree. Amare and Boris were stupid.Quote:
They've put a black mark on a series that would otherwise be the best of the playoffs.
this year, with everything being black and white as far as player conduct, this was the only way it would happen. everyone knew it, but was hoping it wouldn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
Where's the snooze button?
Can't speak for others, but I'm not looking for some nail biting 7 game series like last year. i prefer to sweep you out the door. Sorry, but I'm excited as heel they won't be playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
I tend to agree. The rules are known by everyone. Amare chose to leave the bench. He secured his own fate pure and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnkleBreaker21
WTF? How does a tainted topic get some run in here? Geeze.
I agree that what Amare and Boris did wasn't smart, but that still doesn't justify the league's ruling, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
The Fucking Nba Sucks For Just Surprising Everyone With This Brand New Rule Sterns A Cock Lol
What ruling? They broke a zero tolerance rule. The only ruling is if they left the bench. They did. Game over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
So? It was the league's call. There's no vote. Everyone knows that. Even Amare and Boris.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
Look, I know how big these suspensions seem right now, and how you, as a Suns fan, will never ever forget how much this hurts but, don't be delusional. Try to take a realistic perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
The Suns' plight won't come anywhere near sticking in the public consciousness. Two years from now, the general public and the vast majority of casual fans (representing probably better than 90% of all NBA fans) won't even really remember these suspensions. Only that the Spurs won a championship around this time.
You're giving this ordeal far too much credit.
The numbers, outside the city of Phoenix, who are going to care how the Spurs won are insignificant. We can argue whether it is some sort of testament on society but, short of cheating for your advantage (see: Barry Bonds), a win is a win.
The only wiggle room is the definition of an altercation and bench vicinity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
But guess who decides that?
The league!
Not players or fans or columnists!
No there haven't. When an altercation takes place on the court the rule has been consistently enforced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
:lol
Had it been Oberto and Elson, Suns fans would be lecturing us on how stupid we are on the rules, how huge of homers we are, how were not looking at it objectively.
Maybe I should have prefaced my argument by saying that the rule is complete bollocks. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I wouldn't be surprised to see an amendment to the rule before next season.
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Originally Posted by SequSpur
for the record, look up timvp's posts and he also said it was tainted
but whatever, on to game 5 I suppose
Again,
The Suns only brought this upon themselves... They played the refs, they willingly and deviously played the 'dirty' card, they instigated instead of simply playing the game, and ultimately their players broke a rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
The Spurs players didn't leave the bench. The Spurs players did not gripe about the officiating in the media. They simply played. Robert was the only one to lose his cool. And he will do time for his crime.
God damn kid, did you even read the rules? You're spewing such bullshit it's not funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
The exact rule:
Was there an altercation? Yes. Did the players who left the immediate vicinity of the bench get suspended? Yes.Quote:
During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be suspended, without pay, for a minimum of one game and fined up to $35,000.
It's that damn simple.
I doubt it. The ambiguous parts of it seem necessary to allow for the exceptions you mentioned. Can't really get any more specific. If anything the league probably regrets not suspending GS or NJ players earlier for hard fouls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
I commend your effort, but it's pointless. Apparently they are suffering from a case of the Amares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
It is up to ones own personal opinion on whether or not this series is tainted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
There might be an amendment to the rules, but the fact that you don't like it doesn't make it any less clear. I have a feeling that the rule would have been just fine with you if your team were benefitting from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
The President of the United States decides we should go to war in Iraq and most of the country supports his decision at the time--doesn't mean I have to agree with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Why are we here but to discuss the actions of others?
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for the record, look up timvp's posts and he also said it was tainted
but whatever, on to game 5 I suppose
So are you gonna root for the Suns again? :rolleyes
Obstinate.
No, they're suffering from a case of "the rules shouldn't apply to us" which is why they've been complaining about phantom physical play and biased officiating since the beginning of the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borosai
I don't mean all the Suns fans, by the way. Just most of them.
The suspensions, definitely take some of the juice outta the game (or the anticipation)..
the games still must be played ...Nash and crew will come out determined and SPURS must overcome and bring back a W and end this back here at home!
There have been exceptions to the rule in the past that have accounted for players acting as peacemakers, players who did not escalate the altercation, etc. The league could have easily justified a non-suspension using reasons that fall under this wiggle room.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
For the sake of the league and the fans, I think they should have.
The Spurs are fucked anyway come tomorrow. They win and it's "Well you won with Amare and Diaw not playing." If they lose it's "Holy shit, you lost with Amare and Diaw not playing."
So seeing as how there's nothing no one can do, I will take a W. Bottomline. Won't think anything about it.
I'd like to see a list of those exceptions.Quote:
There have been exceptions to the rule in the past that have accounted for players acting as peacemakers, players who did not escalate the altercation, etc.
Believe me, it will be looked and at and probably revised during the off season. Just like the rule about what defines a player "upstaging" referees. I remember every one telling Spurs fans to shut up about Duncan being kicked out of the fourth quarter during the crucial game in Dallas. I remember everyone saying that it's in the rule book, what Duncan did. Some times things can play out "unfairly", but the bottom line is there's still plenty of ball to be played and move on from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
Fresh from the league office:
This years trophy will come with a years supply of Tarnex.
Dirk will demonstrate it's proper usage.
Can you cite those? The only excuse I'm aware of is that Kings game where the altercation was in the tunnel and they didn't know what was going on before they left the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
Kid, your one example is of a preseason game where the altercation was in the entrance tunnel. The exception was that the players who left the bench area didn't know who was fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
That's it.
What happened out there wasn't an exception, it was a usual on court pull apart altercation. Players left the bench area.
Give it the fuck up.
man... i'm convinced...
this shit is all tainted up... :lmao
Just one. That's it. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I can follow that line of thought. :clapQuote:
Originally Posted by THE SIXTH MAN
What about in the 2nd quarter when Duncan left the bench?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I know you guys are playing the role of homer, but this is still b.s.
There was no altercation going on. FUCK!Quote:
Originally Posted by btimsah
are you blind? This is a handicapped impaired forum you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by btimsah
it's still gonna come down to a judgment call by the league. there just isn't time for anything else with a game the day after next, or even the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
I'd really rather not make the effort, but yeah, the Kings game is the incident I'm talking about. I think there was another one, too. In the Kings game, the players were pardoned because Stern said that they were "acting as peacemakers" and weren't "escalating the altercation." This Horry incident didn't take place in the tunnel, but those same reasons could be applied to Amare's situation...regardless of setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by txmed
Where was the altercation then?Quote:
Originally Posted by btimsah
The fact that the Kings game took place during the preseason only strengthens my argument. If the players had been suspended for that incident, it would have had far less impact on the league than this incident. The playoffs are naturally more physical and emotional, so why pardon players during a game that doesn't matter but not in a game that matters most?
They were pardoned because they didn't know who was fighting in the tunnel. they went to break whatever was going on back there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
That's why it was an exception. There has been many times that a fight/altercation broke out a players trying to be peacemakers were suspended. It's happened plently of times.
Damn, with you Suns fans it's like it jst goes in and comes out. You don't absorb.
Choice.Quote:
I'd really rather not make the effort
Thanks for clearing up that issue for us.Quote:
This Horry incident didn't take place in the tunnel
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Originally Posted by Xylus
off the court. unclear who was fighting. next.
taint forum..................................
:lmao
The funny thing is, if James Jones had flat-out decked Francisco Elson, Duncan and Bowen would be suspended, as well. That wouldn't be very fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
If Duncan and Bowen stepped on the court after the altercation started, yes they'd be suspended. See, we get the rules, you fuckers don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
So you're saying there was no altercation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
Thanks again. You've made this very easy.
Sigh. I'd have more luck discussing homosexuality with a catholic message board. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
On a side-note, I never said there was an altercation during the Duncan thing. No suspensions were deserved.
suns fans are tainted
Personal opinion wise, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
Rule book wise, yes.
Should be a good game tomorrow.
nah dude, it's all tainted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
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Originally Posted by Xylus
Yep.
And, from personal experience with both, you are right about the homosexual/Catholic thing too.
:lol
Ya know.
This could be so bad, the GTG could now be tainted.
Thanks NBA :flipoff
:lol
So you agree with me that no suspensions were deserved?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Good to know.
I just wish Joey Crawford was still doing games. :p:
The only Spurs fan with the balls to admit that the Suns could beat the Spurs, and still may, if it wasn't for the dirty play of your piece of shit Spurs team. Low lifes, bottom feeders and yellow-bellied trash is all your team is made of. Soak it up, losers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
When no altercation occurs, like you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
And it is good to know.
Can we soak it up when we win too?Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherphoenixnative
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
It is.
Glad we agree about the no altercations thing.
the suns could beat the spurs, but even if amare an diaw weren't suspended there still is no guarantee the suns were a lock to win the series after game 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherphoenixnative
I just wanted our best to go up against the suns best with no excuses
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
To bad that's up for the league to decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylus
I'm sure we can all agree this could be avoided by the players staying near the bench so they don't give the league the option to suspend them.
Eat a dick you pussy asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
So when that space gets violated, does that mean tainted? or taintered? I am just trying to be clear on the tainted rule.
Stay classy, sassy.Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherphoenixnative
Speaking of taint(ed) ....Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherphoenixnative
:lol Bitter much?Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherphoenixnative