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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone
That's actually a good argument, but I still think you have to punish the player when the violation occurs. In your argument, what happens to Horry in the event he retires after this season? There would be no next year to give him a 10 gamer.
Dock the funds from his retirement pension.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by ducks
Sarver added that the "first thing on my agenda" for next season will be making a push at ownership level to have the leave-the-bench rule re-examined.
Re-examine the rules because they did not benefit the Suns? Go ahead and bend the rules. All the NBA need is another bench clearing all-out brawl.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone
Seriously, the rule is in place to keep combatants on the bench from charging the court as well as keep peace keepers on the bench from being mistaken as combatants and retaliated against. If you lessen the punishment, people won't take it seriously. The rule is fine as is, and 99.9% of the NBA has no problem following it. When was the last time this was an issue in a playoff game? Stoudemire and Diaw are just that stupid.
And you are just that much of a douchebag! You have shown it over and over with all your comments. Spurs fans should be ashamed that you are ACTING like a fellow fan right now and trying to be on their side.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Findog
Dock the funds from his retirement pension.
That doesn't do anything to compensate for the time lost, just the money.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
And you are just that much of a douchebag! You have shown it over and over with all your comments. Spurs fans should be ashamed that you are ACTING like a fellow fan right now and trying to be on their side.
Actually, Suns fans should be ashamed of blaming the Spurs for the stupidity of Amare and Diaw....
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone
Are you reading my posts? I am adding to the conversation, I'm just taking the time to fuck with you as well.
You have yet to add anything constructive to any conversation in the last 3 days. You are worthless, but it's all in keeping with your name, because he is extremely worthless as a reporter/analyst as well.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
You have yet to add anything constructive to any conversation in the last 3 days. You are worthless, but it's all in keeping with your name, because he is extremely worthless as a reporter/analyst as well.
Kettle, meet Pot.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sear...earchid=340809
All you do is slam other posters. Give it a rest.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by MadDog73
Actually, Suns fans should be ashamed of blaming the Spurs for the stupidity of Amare and Diaw....
You act like that was a stupid move when they were going to check on the REAL MVP of the league. Yeah is wasn't thought out when they got up, but take out the small guy who is the best player on any team, and I GUARANTEE players get up and do the same thing every time. If you don't think so, you are an idiot as well.
I blame the childish Robert Horry for all of this. If he wasn't throwing this little fit about his team falling apart at the end, he doesn't lay that cheap shot out on Nash, but instead, he still has never grown up as a man and does it anyway, because he can't handle when is team choked.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Findog:
Are you suggesting changes to rule for the future, or changing the rule now?
I'm saying change it now. Why not? You think the player's union is gonna get upset over a unilateral move that benefits the players? The rule was put in with the best of intentions and it's largely worked, but this is a situation where the rule isn't doing anybody any good except the Spurs -- the Suns are punished more for a sequence they didn't start, the fans suffer for it, and the inflexibility of the punishment means you can't take into account the context -- Nash has that spinal condition and was hipchecked into the scorer's table right in front of the Phoenix bench. I think it's a perfectly natural reaction for Diaw and Amare to hop up and check on their floor leader. It's the playoffs, it's heightened intensity and emotion, you have to make allowances for that and take that into account. Neither of those guys did anything to escalate the situation. By keeping the rule intact but granting themselves flexibility in when and where to mete out the punishment, you can have the best of both worlds. For instance, when a violation of the bench rule occurs, the team can have a choice: Serve a 1 game suspension and get docked $35K right now, or roll it over to the next regular season, sit out 10 games and lose the salary for those games. If it had been Pat Burke, the Suns would no doubt elect to serve the suspension immediately. For Amare and Diaw, they would wait.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
I have only slammed him, and maybe one others, but that's just because they are more clueless and idiotic than most others.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
You have yet to add anything constructive to any conversation in the last 3 days. You are worthless, but it's all in keeping with your name, because he is extremely worthless as a reporter/analyst as well.
:lol I've added a level of intelligence to the board that has just been degraded by your presence. Just because your team didn't get let completely off the hook for breaking the rules doesn't mean I'm not stating the truth.
$1000 says this idiots IP is from Arizona.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
You act like that was a stupid move when they were going to check on the REAL MVP of the league. Yeah is wasn't thought out when they got up, but take out the small guy who is the best player on any team, and I GUARANTEE players get up and do the same thing every time. If you don't think so, you are an idiot as well.
I blame the childish Robert Horry for all of this. If he wasn't throwing this little fit about his team falling apart at the end, he doesn't lay that cheap shot out on Nash, but instead, he still has never grown up as a man and does it anyway, because he can't handle when is team choked.
You blame Horry for your young stupid players running on to the court? Had they stayed Horry would have been done for 2 games.. Can't handle his team choking? And this coming from a franchise that has accomplished ZERO? :lol
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Findog
If the League is extremely image conscious then they wouldn't decide a playoff series in the commisioner's office. They wouldn't institute a felony punishment for a misdemeanor offense. Amare and Diaw broke a rule, fine. Let them sit out their season opener for 07-08. But don't tell me that Stern and Jackson had this scenario in mind when they crafted it as a response to Pacers-Pistons. The correct thing to do would've been to say "Wow! We never anticipated a situation like this when we instituted this rule, and to be fair, it's helped the referees keep order. But we can't in good conscience continue to enforce it in such an ironclad manner."
Of course they anticipated this scenario when they crafted this rule -- and when they amended it. They drew and redrew the line and Amare and Boris knowingly crossed it, end of story. Your excuse making simply doesn't fly here.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone
That doesn't do anything to compensate for the time lost, just the money.
I'd rather Horry get off scotfree than the Suns get punished in this situation. If it means that much to you for my proposed remedy to work that Horry gets punished somehow, someway even if he retires to escape a suspension, then that's my solution.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
You act like that was a stupid move when they were going to check on the REAL MVP of the league. Yeah is wasn't thought out when they got up, but take out the small guy who is the best player on any team, and I GUARANTEE players get up and do the same thing every time. If you don't think so, you are an idiot as well.
I blame the childish Robert Horry for all of this. If he wasn't throwing this little fit about his team falling apart at the end, he doesn't lay that cheap shot out on Nash, but instead, he still has never grown up as a man and does it anyway, because he can't handle when is team choked.
This is Sig worthy for stupidity. Blame Robert Horry because he obviously walked over to the Suns bench, picked up Stoudemire and Diaw, and carried them on the court.
Take your externalist ass somewhere else and blame others for your own personal stupidity.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
I have only slammed him, and maybe one others, but that's just because they are more clueless and idiotic than most others.
"one others"?
Go back and read your posts. All you do is call Spurs fans "stupid" and "idiotic".
Your generalizations are worse than your arguments! :lol
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
You blame Horry for your young stupid players running on to the court? Had they stayed Horry would have been done for 2 games.. Can't handle his team choking? And this coming from a franchise that has accomplished ZERO? :lol
No I said I blame Horry for being the worthless, childish prick that he is and laying out the league's REAL MVP because he couldn't handle the situation. I blame the players for wanting to check on their own guy and making a mistake than anyone else on any team would have made.
You need to read closer next time so I do not need to repeat myself again.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Findog
I'd rather Horry get off scotfree than the Suns get punished in this situation.
:lol
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Findog
I'd rather Horry get off scotfree than the Suns get punished in this situation. If it means that much to you for my proposed remedy to work that Horry gets punished somehow, someway even if he retires to escape a suspension, then that's my solution.
Why don't you want the Suns to get punished for breaking the rules? Is it because they are playing the Spurs and not the Mavs? You can't let personal feelings dictate how you enforce the rules if you are the league. It has to be consistent no matter who the teams are.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Findog
I'd rather Horry get off scotfree than the Suns get punished in this situation. If it means that much to you for my proposed remedy to work that Horry gets punished somehow, someway even if he retires to escape a suspension, then that's my solution.
the rule has been effective because of how it has been enforced.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Of course they anticipated this scenario when they crafted this rule -- and when they amended it. They drew and redrew the line and Amare and Boris knowingly crossed it, end of story. Your excuse making simply doesn't fly here.
How did they anticipate this scenario?
And where did they redraw the line? I thought the League has been consistent on this: break the rule, it's a 1-gamer and $35K in lost funds.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
No I said I blame Horry for being the worthless, childish prick that he is and laying out the league's REAL MVP because he couldn't handle the situation. I blame the players for wanting to check on their own guy and making a mistake than anyone else on any team would have made.
You need to read closer next time so I do not need to repeat myself again.
Yet everyone else on the team didn't make the mistake. Only Stoudemire and Diaw.
You're done... NEXT!!
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
No I said I blame Horry for being the worthless, childish prick that he is and laying out the league's REAL MVP because he couldn't handle the situation. I blame the players for wanting to check on their own guy and making a mistake than anyone else on any team would have made.
You need to read closer next time so I do not need to repeat myself again.
That's the silliest argument ever...
Yes, Amare is suddenly the team doctor and needs to check on Nash...
no, the only thing Amare needs to check is his emotional maturity.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by Kevin Blackistone
This is Sig worthy for stupidity. Blame Robert Horry because he obviously walked over to the Suns bench, picked up Stoudemire and Diaw, and carried them on the court.
Take your externalist ass somewhere else and blame others for your own personal stupidity.
I'm not even sure why I respond to you because it gets me nowhere, but I put the blame for seperate aspects in multiple places.
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Re: Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"
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Originally Posted by MadDog73
That's the silliest argument ever...
Yes, Amare is suddenly the team doctor and needs to check on Nash...
no, the only thing Amare needs to check is his emotional maturity.
No, you moron, every team would have players running up to their fallen guy had this happened to them, it's instinct. The fact that you think that nobody would ever go to him shows how little you know. And this response from you might actually be one of the worst I've ever seen.
