Suns tonight = warriors. if we lose, would we be chokers like Mavs?

Suns tonight are not better than warriors anynight. and they have the same playing style. So if Spurs lose tonight, would this choke be equivalent to dallas choking a playoff game in round 1?

I will be so embarrased is Spurs lose tonight!

If the Spurs lose tonight they absolutely don't deserve to be NBA champions.

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

Suns tonight are not better than warriors anynight. and they have the same playing style. So if Spurs lose tonight, would this choke be equivalent to dallas choking a playoff game in round 1?

I will be so embarrased is Spurs lose tonight!

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Suns tonight still have more talent on the floor than the Spurs, and the Warriors do not even deserve to be in the same conversation. Does that mean they are the better team, not necessarily, but still more talented even without Amare. They sure as hell are still a better team than the Warriors, so WHEN the Spurs lose tonight, it will only be a missed opportunity for them.

Why are the Suns are so more talented than the Spurs?

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Suns tonight still have more talent on the floor than the Spurs, and the Warriors do not even deserve to be in the same conversation. Does that mean they are the better team, not necessarily, but still more talented even without Amare. They sure as hell are still a better team than the Warriors, so WHEN the Spurs lose tonight, it will only be a missed opportunity for them.

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gimme a fucking break, Suns have Nash, and.... that's it. marion always dissapears and barbosa has been a nonfactor the whole series.

they dont' even have Diaw.

they are at the level of the warriors. Suns will feed off the crazy crowd tonight just like the Warriors.

Spurs must do what Dallas coudln't which is win in this hostile environment. If Spurs lose, fuck them!

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Why are the Suns are so more talented than the Spurs?

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Pat Burke is an accomplished violinist

Marion is better than all but one player on the Spurs, and Barbosa is better than all but 1, and equal with another. Bell is better than all but 2, because he sure is hell is a far better player than the flopping argentinian. That's more than enough.

Well, I'll give Spider props for sticking with his team.

I'd argue Suns could play with more Heart tonight.

Nash can be a fuckin' monster. I'm not going to count them out until the Spurs win 4.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Marion is better than all but one player on the Spurs, and Barbosa is better than all but 1, and equal with another. Bell is better than all but 2, because he sure is hell is a far better player than the flopping argentinian. That's more than enough.

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Uh, Spider, is that one player Duncan or Tony? :rolleyes

Damn, dude, you had me going for a minute. You should have just said "Nash can beat the Spurs all by himself" and I would have believed you...

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Marion is better than all but one player on the Spurs, and Barbosa is better than all but 1, and equal with another. Bell is better than all but 2, because he sure is hell is a far better player than the flopping argentinian. That's more than enough.

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lmfao ^^^

crack kills

Simple math:

Mavs -- 1 Seed
GS -- 8 Seed

Suns -- 2 Seed
Spurs -- 3 Seed

Mavs Choke > Spurs Choke (hopefully won't happen anyway)

The difference with the Suns and Spurs is and has always been the fact that one has been playing like a better TEAM the last 3+ seasons. The Suns are far and away the most talented team in the NBA, but that has never meant they have been the better TEAM. This is the first time I've really seen them play like a well rounded team, and they are still only 2-2 because the Spurs have been doing it for so long. If the Suns reamaining players' talent really shines though tonight, the Suns WILL still win.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Marion is better than all but one player on the Spurs, and Barbosa is better than all but 1, and equal with another. Bell is better than all but 2, because he sure is hell is a far better player than the flopping argentinian. That's more than enough.

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Shit if that's the case the Suns should have put the Spurs away in 4 straight! But I respect your loyalty to your puss....er uh I mean Suns!

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Simple math:

Mavs -- 1 Seed
GS -- 8 Seed

Suns -- 2 Seed
Spurs -- 3 Seed

Mavs Choke > Spurs Choke (hopefully won't happen anyway)

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wrong.

Suns = 2 seed with Amare

Suns = 7/8 seed w/out Amare

All that matters is who wins the series. The chokers are determined after that.

More talented than the spurs tonight. Lets see


nash =duncan (2 best players on the team, All-NBA level)
Barbosa = Finley (impact of scoring this series has been about even)
Thomas=Bowen (good d)
Marion =Parker (their scoring has been close, both playing good d)
Manu=Bell (both have been contributing in different ways)

In the least, it is very close. But lets look further down the bench.

Oberto, elson and Barry >>>>Jrose, JJ and KIWI

Nevertheless, looking at this, it is pretty obvious the Suns have WAY more talent than the Spurs with Diaw and Amare; it is interesting that the Spurs seem to have had the upper hand against them this series as well as during the year.

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All that matters is who wins the series. The chokers are determined after that.

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gimme a break. Spurs lose tonight, the series is over. I would bet my house on it.

Spurs lose tonight and they are Class A chokers. Especially with the way they choked game 4 away. :madrun :madrun :madrun :madrun

Like I said after the Warriors trashed the Mavs and sent them packing. No scenario in these playoffs will top an #8 thumping a #1 seed. Even if the Spurs went out and got beat by 30 tonight it still wouldn't be as bad as what happened to the mavs!

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wrong.

Suns = 2 seed with Amare

Suns = 7/8 seed w/out Amare

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Last year, suns = 2 seed W/OUT Amare, but nice try son!

The spurs need to take a dive in this game. Then try to earn the trophy. If they win tonight and go on to take the championship, unearned.

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The spurs need to take a dive in this game. Then try to earn the trophy. If they win tonight and go on to take the championship, unearned.

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spoken like a true mav fan

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gimme a break. Spurs lose tonight, the series is over. I would bet my house on it.

Spurs lose tonight and they are Class A chokers. Especially with the way they choked game 4 away. :madrun :madrun :madrun :madrun

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Go to Dallas.

Not as bad as being a 1 seed losing to an 8 but a choke nonetheless.

Going by playoff points alone:

Tim Duncan 24.1
Tony Parker 19.4
Michael Finley 15.1
Manu Ginobili 12.8


Suns:

Amare Stoudemire 23.9
Steve Nash 19.0
Leandro Barbosa 17.0
Shawn Marion 16.8


Take away Amare, and how are the Suns individually better?

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If the Spurs lose tonight they absolutely don't deserve to be NBA champions.

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I don't agree with that. When the Spurs have won the series and the next and the next, the'll have earned the right to be the Champions- no matter how many games it took them.

That said, I very much would like us to win tonght's game in grand fashion and finish the Suns off in six.

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That said, I very much would like us to win tonght's game in grand fashion and finish the Suns off in six.

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Ditto.

"Marion is better than all but one player on the Spurs, and Barbosa is better than all but 1, and equal with another. Bell is better than all but 2, because he sure is hell is a far better player than the flopping argentinian. That's more than enough."

Friggin idiotic statement - Bowen is a defensive genius far more than the over-hyped Bell, Parker for the Spurs is as good a point guard for them then Nash (who is still slightly better but not by much), Tim Duncan is the best player on the court every game and Ginobili is just as good as Marion (although he has not has his usual series). Barbosa is so over-hyped it is not even funny, period. Too fast for most team but against a real team he is non factor. Finley and Barry are stepping up and Oberto is a savy winner.

Even with Amare the Spurs have the same or better talent than the Sun period.

Spurs talent is not even in the same class as the Suns with Amare and Diaw there, and like one fan said, probably pretty close to even. Parker can't even hold Nash's jock when it comes to playing the point, and Manu is only slightly better than James Jones. And the best player on the court every game is a small white Canadian.

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Spurs talent is not even in the same class as the Suns with Amare and Diaw there, and like one fan said, probably pretty close to even. Parker can't even hold Nash's jock when it comes to playing the point, and Manu is only slightly better than James Jones. And the best player on the court every game is a small white Canadian.

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Best player every game is Nash, talk about homerism.
I submit Tim Duncan.

Manu only slightly better? You keep thinking that. Along with your Parker statement.

Without Amare and Diaw.....the Spurs are a whole lot better, and deeper too. They are quite a bit more mature in many cases as well.

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Manu is only slightly better than James Jones.

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:lmao

this guy is funny

When Manu EVER does anything worth noting, aside from a good flop that is, let me know. Until then he is not much of a player.

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When Manu EVER does anything worth noting, aside from a good flop that is, let me know. Until then he is not much of a player.

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You make baby jesus cry every time you post.

That does not give him any credibility as a legitimate star of any kind.

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

wrong.

Suns = 2 seed with Amare

Suns = 7/8 seed w/out Amare

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Hmmmm. Where were they seeded last year without Amare? :)

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When Manu EVER does anything worth noting, aside from a good flop that is, let me know. Until then he is not much of a player.

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http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/manu_trophy_050627.jpg

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Hmmmm. Where were they seeded last year without Amare? :)

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I already called him out on that one and he never responded back.

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http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/manu_trophy_050627.jpg

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He can thanks his teammates for that, because he definitely didn't do much of that himself.

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he definitely didn't do much of that himself.

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He did quite a bit, actually. I'm sure you weren't watching.

He probably just got TV privileges this year.

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He did quite a bit, actually. I'm sure you weren't watching.

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In all actuality, besides the few of you in San Antonio, who was? I've seen him play enough, and can really say he never contibutes a whole lot aside from some good flops.

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I have no idea what Manu contributed to the titles because I didn't watch.

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He can thanks his teammates for that, because he definitely didn't do much of that himself.

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And the Olympics?

back on topic, how could the Spurs be the chokers when pretty much every single poll has people picking the suns to win? according to most, the suns are the favorite. But knowing idiots who vote that way would jump on every opportunity to discount the Spurs and still call them chokers.

trolling makes one stupid.

No I saw enough then and seen enough when they play the Suns and Mavs to know he is no more than just a role player who contributes little. And he sure as hell is no star player.

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wrong.

Suns = 2 seed with Amare

Suns = 7/8 seed w/out Amare

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damn, even I have to call you out on that.

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No I saw enough then and seen enough when they play the Suns and Mavs to know he is no more than just a role player who contributes little. And he sure as hell is no star player.

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Well, he sure is in your head, isn't he?

The only player the Suns can't afford to lose is Nash.

Everyone else is just in interchangeable part. The Amare-less Suns went farther in the playoffs last year than the Spurs.

Even without Amare tonight's game will be a huge challenge, especially considering the fact that the Suns and their fans will be amped up.

Spider: Manu is not playing well in these playoffs.

I suggest you do some research before bashing him. Spurs would have two less titles if he wasn't a Spur, Coach Pop said that. He was our third best player, behind Tim and Tony.

If the Spurs lose game 5, yes, they are indeed chokers. Trust me, as a Pistons fan, I know a little something about choking recently. Thank God for the Red Wings.