Amare speaks.....

Amare is the George Karl of NBA players

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Originally Posted by smeagol

Amare is the George Karl of NBA players

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At least some of Karl's complaints are legit. When Amare sounds off its like wtf???

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Originally Posted by florige

He is taking a jab at our best player...He knows that Duncan should put up about 50 tonight.

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Yeah, if he can hit his FTs. :madrun

Wow, will Amare EVER learn to shut his mouth?

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Originally Posted by Jelly

I think those were his thoughts but someone translated them into proper English for us. Anyone care to guess what his exact words were pre-translation?

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Imagine that teacher in those Peanuts cartoons.

"But Timmy did it too!!!"

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what a fucking baby!

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Originally Posted by cherylsteele

Imagine that teacher in those Peanuts cartoons.

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:lol

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Originally Posted by desertlobo

I don't know what everyones complaining about....I gurantee the league will even this out by putting several of our players in foul trouble....I love the NBA but ultimately its about money and ratings. Go Spurs.

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It's always been about $ under Stern and those other "commissioners" of the major sports.

IQ below sea level! Horrible, I say.

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Originally Posted by samikeyp

Too bad Tim Duncan didn't do the same thing.

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they did....with the diference that after amare did it an "altercation" began.

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Originally Posted by nashty

they did....with the diference that after amare did it an "altercation" began.

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Uh....Timmy wasn't rushing the court in said incident...he took a couple of steps.....hell he could probably still have touched the bench with his hand because he was still that close to the bench. Plus the rule is clear....."altercation" is the key word. Elson just sat there for a moment looking for a foul, while the game continued.

I actually think there's an angle in what he said that really hasn't been addressed yet.

Both Amare and Tim Duncan stepped on the court after an incident. However, Tim will not be suspended because an altercation did not ensue.

But, if you look at when Amare stepped on the court, it could very well be argued that he stepped on the court right after Nash was fouled but before any real altercation occurred. While Tim Duncan stepped on the court after Elson flipped over James Jones but before any altercation could have occurred.

Now, since there was no altercation in that case, Tim Duncan will not be suspended. But, if James Jones had turned around and bumped into Elson, then we can reasonably guess that Tim Duncan would have suspended.

So, in actuality, Amare got suspended based on Raja Bell's decision to confront Robert Horry while Tim Duncan will not get suspended because neither Elson nor James Jones decided to get into each other's face.

My point is that both Amare and Tim Duncan reacted to a play on the court, and the differentiating factor on why one player is suspended and the other is not is based on how the players on the court decided to act after the incident on the court.

How is Amare supposed to foresee the future in terms of whether an altercation would occur or not. Had James Jones turned around and talked some trash to Elson and Elson bumped chests with James Jones, that would have triggered the rule to apply to Duncan.

Both players were prepared to look out for their teammate. Duncan was ready to make sure Elson was ok. But, again, had an altercation ensued, he would have been in the same situation. Amare was ready to protect Nash. Had Raja Bell not confronted Horry, there might not have been any "altercation."

I just see that there is another angle as to why the rule has its problems. Different situations and different temperments of players might be the determining factor in suspensions. And, if Amare got up and went away from the bench right after Nash was fouled but before Raja Bell actually confronted Horry and pushes were thrown, I think it's very much the same situation as Tim Duncan stepping on the court after Elson was flipped over before any altercation could have taken place.

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Originally Posted by JamStone

it could very well be argued that he stepped on the court right after Nash was fouled but before any real altercation occurred.

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no it can't be argued. Decision has been taken. time to move on.

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How is Amare supposed to foresee the future in terms of whether an altercation would occur or not.

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He's required to do no such thing. Just stay in the area of the bench.

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Originally Posted by cherylsteele

Uh....Timmy wasn't rushing the court in said incident...he took a couple of steps.....hell he could probably still have touched the bench with his hand because he was still that close to the bench. Plus the rule is clear....."altercation" is the key word. Elson just sat there for a moment looking for a foul, while the game continued.

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I'm just saying they did the same thing in different conditions. I know this argument is going nowhere 'cause I don't even think the league can define "vecinity of the bench", so I'm just gonna live it there and let you guys watch the second bigguest choke job this season. The Suns have nothing to lose in tonights game. If they loose then it was "expected", but if they win....ooohhhh!!! that's going te be very interesting.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

He's required to do no such thing. Just stay in the area of the bench.

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the same way Duncan did on the Elson incident.....oh wait.... he didn't....

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Originally Posted by nashty

the same way Duncan did on the Elson incident.....oh wait.... he didn't....

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Right. He's lucky the league decided there was no altercation. Of course I don't have any picture of how far away from the bench he was. Maybe you do.

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Originally Posted by JamStone

How is Amare supposed to foresee the future in terms of whether an altercation would occur or not. Had James Jones turned around and talked some trash to Elson and Elson bumped chests with James Jones, that would have triggered the rule to apply to Duncan.

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If you watch the replay, Amare kept walking forward way after the altercation started. Had he stopped right when the altercation started, he would not have been in trouble. I saw the replay dozens of times, Amare took 2 steps, then the altercation started, he proceeded to take 12 more steps.

What Amare really wrote:

i did't do nuhthing rong. i thaaht that timmy d did the saym thing. He shud bee suhspended two. Dis shit suhks. I hayt the N-B-A.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

He's required to do no such thing. Just stay in the area of the bench.

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exactly. duncan should have done the same thing even though no "altercation" ensued. that's the point.

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

If you watch the replay, Amare kept walking forward way after the altercation started. Had he stopped right when the altercation started, he would not have been in trouble. I saw the replay dozens of times, Amare took 2 steps, then the altercation started, he proceeded to take 12 more steps.

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fair point. and, i actually agree with how the league responded to the events of game 4. my only point is that tim duncan was spared a suspension simply because two players who could have gotten into an altercation decided not to, while amare did get suspended because raja bell decided to stick up for his teammate in a confrontational manner.

your point is well taken. i believe though had amare stopped after those first two steps, he still would have gotten suspended SIMPLY because an altercation ensued. i don't know for a fact, but i believe it would have happened anyway.

stu jackson mentioned how tim duncan reacted in concern for his teammate. can't the same argument be made that amare reacted in concern for nash?

i just think that the suspensions are predicated too much based on whether an altercation occurred or not, without regard for the intentions of the players who move away from the bench area, when an altercation doesn't necessarily always occur.

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Originally Posted by JamStone

exactly. duncan should have done the same thing even though no "altercation" ensued. that's the point.

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Right.

So we're in agreement.

Done and done.

That's the funniest shit I've ever read. Way to play both sides against the middle, Amare.

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Originally Posted by JamStone

i just think that the suspensions are predicated too much based on whether an altercation occurred or not, without regard for the intentions of the players who move away from the bench area, when an altercation doesn't necessarily always occur.

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Write me guidelines for determining intent during an altercation.

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Originally Posted by JamStone

fair point. and, i actually agree with how the league responded to the events of game 4. my only point is that tim duncan was spared a suspension simply because two players who could have gotten into an altercation decided not to, while amare did get suspended because raja bell decided to stick up for his teammate in a confrontational manner.

your point is well taken. i believe though had amare stopped after those first two steps, he still would have gotten suspended SIMPLY because an altercation ensued. i don't know for a fact, but i believe it would have happened anyway.

stu jackson mentioned how tim duncan reacted in concern for his teammate. can't the same argument be made that amare reacted in concern for nash?

i just think that the suspensions are predicated too much based on whether an altercation occurred or not, without regard for the intentions of the players who move away from the bench area, when an altercation doesn't necessarily always occur.

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What Duncan did was stupid, and it could have cost him if the two guys hadn't just gotten untangled and run down the court. I haven't re-watched it, but Duncan might have stood up to cheer the original Dunk and just took a step toward the play. Again, it was dumb dumb dumb and he dodged a bullet because if there'd been any shoving, he'd be watching the game from the hotel regardless of whether he was cheering the dunk or not.

That said, Amare ran toward Horry. Amare has been itching for this the entire series, and you know it. He's had this false persecution complex that he's trotted out to the media and worked himself into a frenzy about it. He fucked up.