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Sigh, lol. The dirty play I was referring to happened to Jamal Crawford, not Francis. It was the second time Bowen pulled that stunt against the Knicks (Francis was the first) which caused Isiah to lose it with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Now, here is what you look like after reading this..... :oops
It's cool though, we all make mistakes. :)
COMPLETELY different? Aren't they directly related?Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
If not being able to handle the ball well isn't caused by not having enough control over your body (lack of coordination) then what is the reason that a person is a bad ball handler?
And don't say lack of practice because I'm pretty sure that Bowen has practiced dribbling a few times in his life.
WTF are Golden State fans doing here debating whether Bowen is a dirty player?
Link? I'm just interested because I haven't heard Amare say as much. I think most people agree that the rule was implemented correctly, but fairly? That's a different matter and I wasn't aware that Amare or Jalen would've agreed that it was administered fairly. The only thing I've read is that Amare says that Duncan should also be reviewed....doesn't sound like he thinks it was fair at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Patch
That's the most comical thing I've ever seen. They should be down on their knees thanking God that the fake firestorm over the Spurs being dirty has completely obscured the fact that the Warriors are the biggest cheap shot artists in the last ten years.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Anyone remember the foul Matt "prison break" Barnes put on Tony Parker? That one was harder than Horry's foul on Nash.
LOL @ all the pundits losing their mind because it was Steve Nash who got bodychecked :lol
After all, they want Nash to make the finals since they don't want him to be like the only 2-time MVP in NBA history to never sniff the finals, making their back-to-back selection even more idiotic.
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
i think everyone's jumped on to the anti-spurs bandwagon today. i can't believe that this is the only topic du jour today in the nba and while i really can't stand horry for other reasons, i kind of feel for the other spurs players, hopefully they are quarantined from the media and phoniex atmosphere right now. most spurs fans should just keep in mind that while the spurs are involved in this by virtue of the fact that they happen to be one of the two teams involved in this incident, most of the criticism is really being directed at david stern and the utility of the rule itself.
Matt Barnes is gonna trick someone into giving him a nice contract this offseason. And then he's gonna give them 5 points and 3 rebounds a game while shooting 25% from 3 point land. He's a prime candidate to be this year's Austin Croshere/Jerome James lame duck free agent signing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
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That's the most comical thing I've ever seen. They should be down on their knees thanking God that the fake firestorm over the Spurs being dirty has completely obscured the fact that the Warriors are the biggest cheap shot artists in the last ten years.
Homers,Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I'm not one, so saying that has no effect on me whatsoever. The Warriors have been by far the worst losers of any team in this playoffs. Does that make you feel better?
Austin Croshere. Now that's is one dirty mo fo! just kiddingQuote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
I thought that him and Baron Davis were going to scrap during one of those games.
Let's end this crap once and for all.
I'm not a complete homer. I'll admit that Bruce is a "chippy" player. That's how I'd describe it.
As for Horry, I think anyone that has watched him over the years would say that his foul on Nash was out of character for him.
Manu is a flopper.
THE END. Good night.
All fair points. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Simmons is probably my favorite sportswriter and this article was pretty much dead on as usual. Bowen may be a cheap shot artist, but he is a perrenial defensive player of the year candidate and "in the head' of some of the best offensive players in the league. I'm glad he's a Spur.
He seems to contradict himself about ten times in the article. Is he or is he not in favor of tough, physical play (a la Bowen and Horry)? It seems like he's against it when a Spur does it, but it's "Golden" if Cowens or Parish did it.
I can't speak for Simmons, but the distinction that I believe he was saying is that the stuff that Cowens and Parish did were overt actions because of the cheapshots, whereas Bowen was the one taking the cheapshots and required the overt action.Quote:
Originally Posted by peskypesky
Simmons is a hoser and obviously doesnt know shit about good defense. After the season, Id like to see him say that shit to Bowens face.
And I'd like to see yall call Amare a pussy in front of his face.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigfan
He's certainly proven that he has no impulse control.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
Word. Plus, if the guy you're fighting is 6'10", you're pretty much fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
The stupid thing about Simmons is that if Horry were white and on the Celtics and did the exact same thing, Simmons would be on his hands and knees soaking in the glory of an old school foul.
Nah, he'd lose his surgically repaired knee before he had a chance to take a swing. Big guys are easier to whip.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDirtMcGirt
Coming from real word experience, if a dude is more than five inches taller and over fifty pounds heavier, you better know some kung fu.*Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
*...or just kick him in achilles when he's jumping :lol
About the stupidity of the black and white bench rule, Simmons said EXACTLY what I was saying here yesterday and getting abused mercilessly for. So did Sheridan, and Stein. So maybe I'm not crazy.
As for the rest of the article, I think he's spot on. No doubt, he's too harsh on Bowen, but some of what he says is correct...
I'm gonna get killed around here for saying this, and don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Bowen fan, but he is a little dirty. He pushes the line and sometimes steps over it - not in the supposed Stoudamire tripping case (video shows that was clearly accidental). The knee to Nash was ultra-soft and overblown, but watch his eyes and it was clearly intentional.
No, I think Bruce does grab and push, and so do most of the league, but I definitely think Bruce steps under jumpshooters sometimes - sometimes he's boxing out, but other times he's boxing out far too close to the player and they land on his foot.
Simmons tore shreds off Bruce without giving him any credit for all the fantastic, clean D he plays, but sometimes Bruce can get chippy and stray over the line. Essentially, he's our tough guy, and I'm glad we have him or we'd be soft as shite.
Kill me now.
Thing is with so-called sports "journalism," it's all about the bandwagon. The editors sit around the table and decide what's "real." There's a building buzz that the Spurs are dirty, and this jackass is just piling on in a cowardly and unoriginal fashion.
The real story is much more nuanced, as we all know, but that's not what will grab the casual fans attention.
Clearly the media wants a story in which the Suns are America's Team, and the Spurs invented dirty basketball.
Kinda ironic, isn't it, since for years we've been labeled as Soft.