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I saw Bowen talking to Parker alot in the game..
Maybe it's just me. But I think Bowen is instructing Parker how to guard Nash/Barbosa and asking Parker to pass him the dime when he penetrates..
That's the reason you witness the defense of Parker has improved so much.. and the 2/3 assists to Bowen at the corners
Um, Parker has been doing a better job of defending than Bowen has.
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Originally Posted by timvp
I was screaming to put in Beno last night. :(
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which is why i cheer so hard for TP to do well (no offense timmy and the rest) and stay out of foul trouble, not because that patented teardrop is a thing of beauty, but mainly because i cringe at the thought of turnover machine entering the game :cry
Manu is done, he has reverted to 2003 form when he'd make a Herky Jerky move, look around left to right like Mark Madsen, drive to a random spot on the floor, jump as high as he can in the air, then pass it straight into the opposing team's hands.
Es ridiculoso
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Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
You're right. The team totally didn't need those 26 points.
I believe that was reverse mojo. What do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronstampler
:lol For real. I don't get posts like that one above.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronstampler
I don't know about that, since obviously Manu did his damage yesterday, how does it apply to game 6? 26 and 10 seems like a need for reverse mojo or the statement that Manu is done is late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I think it's just made to get a reaction.
Besides anyone actually favor Manu's football pass TO's as opposed to last year's alternatives? They were more of his Manuesque TO's we're so used to, where he gets too ahead of himself and hyper rather than the boneheaded variety (Bibby, and the Dirk foul)
Besides that game, Manu has been avoiding turnovers in the last two series. So I guess I'll take those TO's in a win.
Tell him Ricky Williams is a fag. It'll make him bust a blood vessel.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
though i am very disappointed with Elson's play in this playoffs particularly in this series i am sure he can be an impt factor if we win against Phoenix and play against Utah. i think he can stop Okur and bec of his size and athleticism he can help Duncan in the boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
can we at least try Udrih backing up Parker ahead of Vaughn? I got goose bumbs if I see Vaughn dribbling the ball and trying his way to the rim trying for those lay ups of his in between two big men of opposing teams. I am not pushing for it but just suggesting if we can at least give it a try.
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I was always a Manu fan, then of course he won my heart over in early 2004 regular season with Parker and Duncan out when we lost triple overtime against the Fabulous Four of the Lakers + Deveeen George. Then of course in 2005 he established himself as elite.
But he's lost something, and I keep making comments about how "he's aged 5 years in 5 weeks" to establish how ludicrous his overall turn in play is (barring the possibility of him being injured). I think its revolving completely on confidence and I do not buy the crap about "Pop using him wrong" its horse shit. Pop has fucked up recently but using Manu wrong is not nearly one of the chief fuck ups. Manu has lost something. I don't know what it is exactly but he's lost it. And he needs to fucking find it, because 26 points or 36, if you telegram outlet passes in the fourth quarter down by 3 when Tim fucking Duncan blocks an opponent and gift wraps the ball for you, you're not going to win a championship.
Jazz will bukkake Manu and make Manu 2007 look like Strickland that time he did a no look pass down by 2 or 3 against the Rockets if he keeps playing like this....If he plays consistent this series is over already.
So he had one good game in which he gave the suns multiple opportunities to beat us. Congrats. Manu that does that every game is at least still Manu. But Manu that does that one every 5 games then just rebounds and turns it over the other 4 is not going to cut it.
Dude you're not fooling anyone. Don't you think I have a memory? You were hating on Manu last season too. And I'm not talking about the Dirk play in Game 7. You were hating on the guy during the regular season and playoffs last year. You're just a hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
Well i'm not going to call you a liar im sure i hated on manu on this board exactly when you said, moreover im sure i've posted a hate post about every spur except Bowen and Tim on this forum for each playoffs and each regular season so what is your point? Half were probably just to get a rise out of people and have were truthful. So again what is your point?
Manu is laying an egg overall in this playoffs, we must have consistency from our big three if we are to see more W's.
I admitted he's played relatively well last game and in game 3 but where's the consistency? So he had 26 points and gave the suns multiple opportunities in the final minutes to secure a victory. Congrats.
I think you're being overly critical. Manu's underperforming, but don't act like he's been a no-show on the same level as several other top performing players in playoff series. I think Manu so far has left a lot to be desired in terms of consistent scoring and he should look to score more rather than settling the way he has been lately, but you're singling out Manu too much. You talk as if Manu's the reason why we lose in our game losses. Manu was more consistent on scoring in the 2006 playoffs, but the team didn't sweep anybody when he was averaging 20. It's hard to argue that his turnovers last night weren't bad, they could have potentially cost the game, but it happens...and luckily they didn't. Because Manu had more game saving plays than game-fucking ones. Tim fucked up his free throws to negate one block shot of his. That could have cost us the fucking game as well, regardless of what happened before, had Nash sunk a three. Steve Nash had a critical turnover and stepped on the line in his game loss. The point is, these players are still doing more good than bad. I don't think Manu should be penalized for not playing perfect games just because his 2005 performance raised the bar higher than ever. There is such a thing as criticizing or expecting him to do better without throwing him under the bus for subpar performances, saying things like "He's done." Not while the Spurs are still in the post-season hunt as well. Potentially, each series is different. If the Spurs prevail tomorrow in closing out the Suns, who knows how Manu will be in the second half of these playoffs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
But you do have a point, Pop even said, "If Manu doesn't do well, then we're in trouble..."
In your case, I think it would take Manu having a 40 point explosion in tomorrow's game to help contribute for a win, just for his fair weather fans to get off his back a little. I doubt you'd be convinced though.
I´ve a lot respect for you :) , but :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol ...Quote:
Originally Posted by milkyway21
Do you, mookie and elpimpo get together every night and decide to post the same thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
By the way, Manu is playing subpar, but as many people who know about basketball point out, he continues to help in many other ways.
And he continues to show he hasn't lost it. As the stampler pointed out, his 26 pts in a game where we were playing an impaired Suns team, and loosing by 16 pts at one point, were crucial in order to keep us in this series.
We would be pretty much done if we were 2-3 at this juncture.
Manu has taken a serious beating over the past few years. He's been thrown down like a rag doll, smacked in the nose, almost had his eye taken out, scratched, etc. etc.
I wonder if, over time, that's made him more hesitant to drive into the paint, through traffic? Just wondering. When he plays the best is when he's driving. Yes, he hits an occasional 3, but when that's all he's trying, he becomes very one-dimensional.
Manu (tonight): 24 points, 6 boards, 4 steals, 3 assists.
EDIT> At least one block on either Nash or Barbosa.
would we rather see Beno instead of Vaughn? honestly.
Bingo. What one hand giveth the other taketh away. Manu's always going for the cover of Sports Illustrated play, that's his biggest weakness. Frankly, I think some people around here consider him to be the Great White Hope and they cut him too much slack. Trouble is, he's an OK player with a too often dogdy Bball IQ, sometimes good, but not great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
I could do without the hyperboles and the constant need to force stuff that ain't there. If Manu could just play solid basketball, that would be nice. Forget the BS about being the world's best competitor, the fade away step back 3's, the no-look passes that fly out of bounds, the blown defensive assignments due to stupid gambles, the fouls that knock us out of the playoffs.
How about playing good consistant basketball Manu? If you could do that, we'd be resting now.
It's one thing to bash Manu, but just exactly how many subpar shooting and high turnover games is Tony gonna have to string together for some Spurs fans to notice?
Manu's PER in the playoffs is 17.49, 35th best in the league, 3rd best on the team, and a significant drop from his regular season total of 24.18 (11th best in the league).
Tony's PER is 15.28, barely above average, tied for 66th best in the playoffs, 5th on the team, and a just as significant drop from his regular season number of 21.46 (25th best in the league).
When the people who call Manu out do the same for Tony, they'll have some semblance of credibility. Right now of the big three Tim is the only one having a good playoffs, and Horry and Fin are the only other Spurs bettering their regular season production.
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If I ever get in trouble, I need to hire stampler as my publicist.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronstampler
:rollin
Bowen should have gotten an A+
Raja Bell is the reason Manu has sucked in this series...is it hard to figure out?
To waste time before the game, I took a look at these PER stats. This small of a sample size brought upon some rather humorous insights.Quote:
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I learned that TJ Ford is not only the best point guard in the league, he's the third best player in the league. That's pretty odd considering he wasn't even the best point guard on his team in the playoffs. But Hollinger's stats are always right.
I learned that Deron Williams is a below average NBA player, ranking behind the likes of Keyon Dooling.
In regards to this series, I learned James Jones > Bruce Bowen and Robert Horry > Shawn Marion.
I also learned that Darko Milicic, Antonio Daniels and Alonzo Mourning should have made the All-Star team seeing as how all three are top 20 players in the NBA.
Good stuff :tu