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so clambake, when Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson and Tim Duncan were ejected from the game for obvious bullshit calls against your team resulting in dallas wins. Where you concerned with the "honorable aspect of victory?"Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
just curious.
He was too busy complaining about how unfair it was for Jason Terry to be suspended for pushing Michael Finley with his knuckles.Quote:
Originally Posted by judaspriestess
it's difficult to dispell a perception that has no basis in fact. If people choose to believe that the league hosed the Suns, there's nothing that a game 7 is going to do to erase that choice. The fact, however, is that the league applied a black-letter rule -- one with a mandatory punishment -- in exactly the same way it always has.Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
As I've said before, the conspiracy talk would have been fueled more, I think, had the league bent over and given a pass to Stoudemire and Diaw because of who they are, which team they play on, and in what situation that team now finds itself.
Let's play a little hypothetical game. Suppose that at the end of Game 4, the Spurs were up 3-1 (having taken games 1-3 and having lost Game 4 just as they did). The exact same thing happens and Stoudemire and Diaw are suspended. Is there the same hue and cry to ignore the rule? I'd be surprised.
Change the hypothetical just a bit. Suppose that at the end of Game 4, teh Spurs are down 3-1 (having taken only Game 3 and having lost Game 4 just as they did). The exact same thing happens and Stoudemire and Diaw are suspended. Is there the same hue and cry to ignore the rule? Again, I doubt it.
The point is that a rule that has a mandatory penalty provision cannot be selectively enforced. The only way that the league could have avoided suspending those guys would have been to say: (1) there was no altercation -- but that would have defied the facts; or (2) that Stoudemire and Diaw didn't leave the vicinity of the bench -- but that's hard to say when each is spotted more than 20 feet away from the bench. Since it was factually impossible for the league to suggest that the rule shouldn't apply to that situation, it was impossible for the league to say that a punishment other than suspension was appropriate. It might be a bad rule, but for now, that IS the rule.
So you think there's discourse from coast to coast for some other reason?
I guess if you maintain a cavalier attitude you could just claim that every fan is stupid. If you only want to hear sugar coated goodness about the spurs (should they win tonight) then I suggest you limit your vacation to SA this year.
As I said before, if the situation were reversed, you'd be having a shit fit, and the right to have it.
Actually, if the situation was reversed, I'd understand that a rule is a rule. I'd be upset with the Spurs players for having lost their poise, but I'd understand the punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
I'd also have dropped the argument by now.
you fail to answer the question asked of you. Its a legitimate question, please do tell us how you feel about the honorable aspect of victory when it comes to your team.Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
NBA writers write about the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
Most are pretty stupid compared to me.Quote:
I guess if you maintain a cavalier attitude you could just claim that every fan is stupid.
My travel plans are not influenced by how other people perceive my favorite NBA team.Quote:
If you only want to hear sugar coated goodness about the spurs (should they win tonight) then I suggest you limit your vacation to SA this year.
Absolutely not. Duncan and Bowen were just as stupid to leave the bench, and they were lucky no altercation took place when they did. The rule has existed for ten years, and all these fans, including you, are saying it shouldn't be enforced because a good player broke the rule. That's completely dishonorable.Quote:
As I said before, if the situation were reversed, you'd be having a shit fit, and the right to have it.
Look man, I know its the Spurs and all but it is not their fault that Amare and Boris got off the bench. The rule is pretty clear cut if you get off the bench during an altercation then you will be suspended. The rule has been in effect for years now and it is not like they just suddenly came up with this rule to screw over the Suns. Amare needs to just man up and admit that he failed his team and if they lose he has nobody to blame but himself.Quote:
On another note, what's wrong with hoping for game 7 and dispell the perception of theft?
The call on Tim was nuts. Davis and Jackson came a little unglued, could have gone either way. Jackson will go off on anything. They went out of control against the jazz, so I don't find it comparible with the actions of the spurs. I've had longtime respect for the big 3 and feel they deserve respect, not what they're receiving now.Quote:
Originally Posted by judaspriestess
Personally, on the honorable question, I was too disgusted with my teams play to consider honor, only dishonor. In now way was that series going to be decided by mischief, like this series could be.
So now following the rules is michief.Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
You have no honor.
I doubt clambake would be making these arguments if it had been Jalen Rose and Eric Piatkowski who had woken up long enough to run to mid-court.
Why don't you just claim me "owned" and make sure to leave on the headphones? You know, if you think it's just sportswriters, you're dreaming. I just hate to see them win this way. The spurs are my 2nd favorite team, and this thing stinks.
I'll get over it, but I'll cheer for suns tonight and spurs on sunday.
Why do you keep acting like its their fault? Did they hold a gun up to their heads and make them get off the bench?Quote:
Why don't you just claim me "owned" and make sure to leave on the headphones? You know, if you think it's just sportswriters, you're dreaming. I just hate to see them win this way. The spurs are my 2nd favorite team, and this thing stinks.
I'll leave that decision to others. IMO you simply haven't even put together a coherent enough argument to be seiously considered.Quote:
Why don't you just claim me "owned" and make sure to leave on the headphones?
Like I said, most of these guys are stupid compared to me.Quote:
You know, if you think it's just sportswriters, you're dreaming.
I hate it when NBA players knowingly and stupidly take themselves out of the game too.Quote:
I just hate to see them win this way.
They are my first favorite team, and this thing is unfortunate, but completely avoidable by Amrae and Boris.Quote:
The spurs are my 2nd favorite team, and this thing stinks.
Your team loyalties are as flexible and ill-defined as your sense of "honor."Quote:
I'll get over it, but I'll cheer for suns tonight and spurs on sunday.
Look, I know the rule. Diehard spurs fans have it memorized, now. If you want to act like you don't understand the contraversy, then so be it. I can't help you pretend it doesn't exist. 3 cheers for game 7. End the noise from outside.
And I know you wanted it to be ignored for the sake of ignorant fan perception.Quote:
Look, I know the rule.
I know that a baseless controversy perpetuated by ignorance and dishonorable expediency exists.Quote:
f you want to act like you don't understand the contraversy, then so be it. I can't help you pretend it doesn't exist.
I hope the noise continues. It's seldom that I win arguments without even having to try.Quote:
End the noise from outside.
I think you've got that pretend thing down pat.
And Diaw and Amare didn't. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
Consider yourself owned.
Posers copycatting the Spurs. This is nothing new. What's funny is that the guy whining about whiners may just be the biggest one of all.
I think you have no sense of honor.Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
your games were not decided on mischief? :drunkQuote:
Originally Posted by clambake
you just said the call on Duncan was nuts. If Duncan would have stayed in the game, the Spurs would have won? It can certainly be debated. It wasn't a "squeaky clean" win by dallas if you want to base it on honor but you took the win anyway, which is cool, what are you going to do in that instance. Protest the win?
you can't have it both ways. This is what happens when you allow "interpretation" of an iron clad rule regarding leaving the vicinity of bench in an altercation. Its justifiable in one instance to manipulate the rule to ones benefit but in another situation, it remains iron clad? There cannot be any leeway in this situation. Even mark cuban for pete's sake agreed on the ruling I believe.
Nothing like the fan of losers whining about the way another team wins. What a little girl.
Nothing like the fans of all the different losers banning together to try to screw the winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by cornbread
I just don't get how completely destroying the integrity of the NBA rules is somehow honorable.
Yep. It's absolutely pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View