F' Mike Brown

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Originally Posted by aaronstampler

Um, he finished +2 in a game they won by exactly two points.

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:lol

What did you want his +/- to be? He played 51 out of the 58 minutes.

The Cavs minus LeBron managed to keep the Pistons' bench from extending the lead in 7 minutes of action. Not exactly an amazing accomplishment.

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Originally Posted by aaronstampler

Manu's guy very, very rarely scores on him in a half court situation, mainly because he plays the weakest guy in their offense.

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Fixed.

And you're the one who pointed to Bell as being a player Manu defended well. It sounded pretty good until you look at the stats.

But yeah, I'm sure all of Bell's points were when Manu was switched off of him.

And for the record, when I said LeBron would be the Spurs' second best perimeter defender, I was saying he was a better defender than Finley -- who in the playoffs has been the Spurs' second best perimeter defender.

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Originally Posted by aaronstampler

I think it's pretty absurd that more attention is paid to Manu defensively in playoff games than LeBron, don't you?

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Yeah it's pretty absurd if someone believes that.

Anyways, props to LeBron.

If the Spurs do eventually meet up with him, hopefully they can find an answer.

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Originally Posted by timvp

:lol

What did you want his +/- to be? He played 51 out of the 58 minutes.

The Cavs minus LeBron managed to keep the Pistons' bench from extending the lead in 7 minutes of action. Not exactly an amazing accomplishment.

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Well, if his teammates are as bad as you've implied, you'd think Detroit could stretch a lead with LeBron off the floor, since, y'know, Cleveland would be completely unable to score a point without Mr. Superduperstar. Also, in Game 4, it should be noted that in a game Cleveland won by four, LeBron was a -4. Food for thought.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Fixed.

And you're the one who pointed to Bell as being a player Manu defended well. It sounded pretty good until you look at the stats.

But yeah, I'm sure all of Bell's points were when Manu was switched off of him.

And for the record, when I said LeBron would be the Spurs' second best perimeter defender, I was saying he was a better defender than Finley -- who in the playoffs has been the Spurs' second best perimeter defender.

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I seriously have no idea what you're watching out there. Finley has been sent to the bench multiple times these playoffs for playing less than stellar defense. You keep telling me how awful Manu is defensively, but you can't seem to recall any instances of a guy, like, actually scoring on him, except Melo in Game 1. Manu challenges jump shots, denies the ball as well as anybody, draws charges, comes up with steals, and if a guy does dribble by him, he does so with his weakside (going left for a righty, going right for a lefty). I honestly don't know what more you could want or expect. Yeah, he guards less talented players in general than Bowen, but that is more out of respect to Bowen than out of slight to Manu. No matter who our SG was, Bowen would still be guarding the toughest guy.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Yeah it's pretty absurd if someone believes that.

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Detroit played atrocious defense on LeBron those last 20 minutes. He should have been doubled every possession and on half of his drives the big man didn't even rotate over. Sorry, I'm not gonna gonna bow down to such sloppy execution. I actually watched the game and every single person in the bar I was at was saying the same thing when LeBron was getting those dunks - WHERE IS THE DEFENSE?? When he hit the jumpers, people were impressed. The dunks/lay-ups were cake.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Anyways, props to LeBron.

If the Spurs do eventually meet up with him, hopefully they can find an answer.

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You mean the Spurs have to somehow come up with the concept of double teaming or having a big man rotate over? OMG, I don't know if Pop can possibly come up with something that daring.... :lol :lol :lol

I swear to God, you're acting like a little kid, drooling about a right handed player driving right against single coverage and an empty lane. LeBron couldn't have faced easier defense those last ten minutes if he was playing NBA Jam.

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Originally Posted by aaronstampler

You mean the Spurs have to somehow come up with the concept of double teaming or having a big man rotate over? OMG, I don't know if Pop can possibly come up with something that daring.... :lol :lol :lol

I swear to God, you're acting like a little kid, drooling about a right handed player driving right against single coverage and an empty lane. LeBron couldn't have faced easier defense those last ten minutes if he was playing NBA Jam.

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So now the Spurs shouldn't even try to find an answer for LeBron? Have you seen LeBron against the Spurs? He usually gets whatever he wants.

Go back to playing with your Manu doll where you can make him the bestest player in the world with no weaknesses and peons like LeBron aren't even allowed to be thought of. I'm done with you in this thread. I don't know why I even waste the keystrokes.

If anyone else wants to step up to the plate, I'll continue there.

Time to dig up the Cavs - Spurs game tape.

People love to hate Lebron.

The guy is just really fucking GOOD.

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Originally Posted by Strike

Not in my opinion. One great performance does not a clutch player make.

Let Lebron do something like that a couple more times and make a few buzzer beaters when his team is DOWN. Then the clutch/choker debate will be different.

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I'd say Lebron is becoming more clutch by the minute.

I think his game isn't perfect, but he's proven he isn't afraid of the big moments. He really manned up.

His debut last year had given him clutch opportunities and he delivered.
I say, if I had to pick ONE GREAT PERFORMANCE to at least hint at a person's clutchness, this one makes a pretty good case for him.

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Originally Posted by timvp

:jack

So now the Spurs shouldn't even try to find an answer for LeBron? Have you seen LeBron against the Spurs? He usually gets whatever he wants.

Go back to playing with your Manu doll where you can make him the bestest player in the world with no weaknesses and peons like LeBron aren't even allowed to be thought of. I'm done with you in this thread. I don't know why I even waste the keystrokes.

If anyone else wants to step up to the plate, I'll continue there.

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I don't believe I've suggested anywhere that I believe Manu to be the better player but go ahead and resort to insults like you always do when I point out the flaws in your arguments.

I find you silly for being so overwhelmed by a right handed player driving right against a single defender and no rotating big men. Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Some of the jumpers were impressive, but lots of guys in this league could've gotten those lay-ups and dunks at the end. For you to even compare that defense to what the Pistons are accustomed to is an insult to them. If Detroit played like that every game, they'd be a lottery team.

As far as "answers for LeBron" I hate to break it to you, but Pop won't come up with some magic formula to stop him. He's going to get his points as all great players do. But as is the case with every slashing player, we'll have bigs in the lane waiting for him and try to deny him the ball as much as we can. What else can any defense do? We're not going to throw any gimmick defenses at him and there is no need to. We're not going to quadruple him or something crazy. Our system is our system and it works. My only concern with the match-up is the refs giving LeBron the Dywane Wade treatment in an effort to artificially prolong the series, and even then he's only going to hit 70% of the free throws anyway. :lol

Mike Brown has every reason in the world to prop James for last night's game. The kid was could not be stopped.

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Originally Posted by timvp

What's classic about this thread is Manu scored 24 consecutive points against the Atlanta freakin' Hawks in the second quarter of a game in February and Spurs fans had to be restrained from having a river parade to hail what was said to be the greatest moment in the history of human civilization.

LeBron goes for 25 straight point against the Detroit Pistons in the fourth quarter and two overtime periods in Game 5 the Eastern Conference Finals on the road and Spurs fans aren't impressed.

Classic :rollin

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:lmao

For the record, I saw MJ drop 63 on the Celtics in the playoffs.

This game was at least equal to and possibly better.

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Originally Posted by THE SIXTH MAN

I wonder how different the series would have been if Larry Brown and Ben Wallace where still with the Pistons.

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Forget Ben Wallace....Larry Brown alone could have saved this Pistons team...and last years as well.

Flip Saunders is the reason the Pistons haven't gotten to the Finals last year and most likely not this year. He is their coach yes, but he is not a motivator, not an enforcer, and certainly not a strategist....I mean calling for a zone defense with 23 seconds left and the ball in Lebron's hand, WHICH LEADS TO AN EASY LAYUP FOR HIM??????

IMO this is also why the Pistons continue to struggle with their "on/off switch" mentality. Spurs do it all the time too, difference is they have Pop to right the ship whereas Pistons don't have a coach who they are willing to listen to so its basically on them.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Calling Lebron's performance tonight the greatest he has ever seen at this 'level' at this point in the season.

Wasn't he still on our bench when Duncan closed out the Nets with the near quadruple double? Ass...

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Great idea for a coach to start talking about his old team when asked to rank Lebron's performance. You're an idiot

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Originally Posted by JustSpurs

Mike Brown has every reason in the worls to prop James for last night's game. The kid was could not be stopped.

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yes he could if you replace flip with pop

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Originally Posted by ducks

yes he could if you replace flip with pop

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I doubt Pop could guard Lebron

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Calling Lebron's performance tonight the greatest he has ever seen at this 'level' at this point in the season.

Wasn't he still on our bench when Duncan closed out the Nets with the near quadruple double? Ass...

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Please! You have to excuse the man for being freaking excited for his team...his guy single handedly beat the Pistons even with 3 starters fouling out.....sheesh.

:rolleyes

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Originally Posted by Agloco

You contradict yourself here. If he's one on five that means hes dishing to open teammates.

That was the problem, he was going one on one nearly every time. Virtually no traps or doubles to get the ball into someone elses hands.

As for beating another team singlehandedly, it doesn't need to be done solely on the offensive end. Tim destroyed the Nets on both ends of the court from start to finish. You can't compare a one dimensional performance to a multidimensional performance like Timmys.

Its not even close.

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All James brings is offense. And everyone keeps harping on his 29 points.

If I remember correctly, the Spurs had a player score 24 consecutive points in under 5 minutes on the court this season.

And yet no one crowned Manu the "King" at the time. Or even that it was the "greatest performance ever".

James is good. I'll give him that... But if he tries to play 1 on 5 against the Spurs, he is going to leave sorely disappointed.

Remember "The Answers" remarks after that Denver series. "I would get by one, and there would be another one waiting on me".......Certainly not the kind of "D" the Pisons put up last night.

But then maybe last night was a good thing. It may just reinforce in James mind that he can do it alone, and he will try to play 1 on 5 ball IF they manage to close this series out.

I work with women and have been doing so for 20 yrs, and one thing I notice is, you can not say something nice about one to another woman, without getting the response, "well, what about me, is she better at that than I?"

AHF, your thread reminds me of just that. You have woman tendencies, my man.

I think Spurs fans disagree, Aggie :lol

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Props to Mike Brown for some heady play calling:

5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
Timeout
Brown: "LeBron do you want to rest and let Z take the next one?"
James: "A rest on offense? Are you kidding me?"
Brown: "Okay, Okay you win"
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout
5-out, clearout

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ROFL...my thoughts exactly i cant stand the style of offense they play...no team..just get the ball to lebron and move out of the way...

LMAO at Rip on Lebron.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

The Pistons had a big gaping hole in the middle.

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The Detroit Donuts?

A weird trend I have noticed in Spurs fans since LeBron entered the league is that they don't like him. I see more hate for him on Spurs forums than I do on other NBA forums and in general. It's strange, he is an exceptional player. The way his defense has improved from his rookie season has particuly impressed me.

AHF, that's like BCG coming out and saying "sure, Acie was good tonight and he's hit good shots, but did you see those guys from Kentucky? Man, I really love wearing blue and sitting in Rupp Arena, I really those kids are going places. I just love Lexington."

Mike Brown isn't going to sit around after LeBron just scored 25 straight points to win the game on the road with no supporting cast and say, "Well, I did see Tim Duncan close out a terrible Eastern Conference team on our home floor, so LeBron was alright tonight."