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The Kings history is just not that good as the knicks. And yes, it's true the knicks only have 2 championships in 65 years but at least they had oppurtunities to win more championships...they just ran into better teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
SPURS would come in at 5th or 6th...
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Originally Posted by Chris Childs
Besides the Pistons they have a lower winning percentage than the lakers, spurs, and celtics
Sorry knick fan...but its gonna take more than the fact the they are new york to get them on the list.
Best 56-game stretch in US pro sports history.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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I don't think the spurs should even be in top 5. The sixers deserve to be in top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by howbouthemspurs
This is what I would pick.
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. Chicago Bulls
4. San Antonio Spurs
5. Detroit Pistons
I put the Lakers above Boston because they have been consistant with their winning unlike the Celtics who have been a joke since Bird retired. The majority of their titles came when the NBA was 10 teams.
Here's the top 5 NBA Franchises as far as winning % goes.
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. San Antonio Spurs
3. Boston Celtics
4. Utah Jazz
5. Philadelphia 76ers
Replace spurs and Jazz with bulls and knicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel
The Knicks? Really, are you kidding? The have a mighty .505 winning percentage as a franchise, 2 championships, not in 34 years however. They do have a lot of hall of famers, and some great success, but they just can't compare to those top 5 teams. And they have recently become one of the biggest jokes in the NBA.
I think the knicks would rather have 2 championships in 65 years instead of 0 championships in 39 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spider TX
And they only became jokes during the Marbury era.
1) The Lakers are the premiere franchise in league history.
They won at least one title in
the '40s
the '50s
the '70s
the '80s
the 2000s
They had a three peat in the 50s and the 2000s. They're the winningest franchise in league history.
2) Next on my list - the Boston Celtics.
They won titles in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Included in that stretch are eight in a row from 59-66. They are the third winningest franchise in league history.
3) Third on this list is the San Antonio Spurs. The Spurs have won three titles and have missed the playoffs only four times in 31 seasons. In those 31 seasons, the Spurs have had a losing record only six times. The Spurs are the second winningest franchise in league history.
4) Fourth on my list is the Chicago Bulls. The Bulls have won six titles, but in their 41 seasons the Bulls have had losing records in 20 seasons. They have missed the playoffs 14 times. In my most recent source, the Bulls were the 11th winningest franchise in league history.
5) My fifth best team in league history is the Philadelphia 76ers. This franchise has won a title in 1955, 1967, and 1983. The 67 and 83 teams are among the greatest single-season teams of all time. According to my source, Philadelphia was the sixth winningest team in league history.
I wasn't arguing fo the Suns in this case, rather against the Knicks being a top 5 franchise of all time.
Where did you get those numbers for those being the top 5 teams as far as all time winning percentage. The Lakers are 1st, followed by Boston, San Antonio, Phoenix, and Utah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
its right......1 lakers, 2 spurs
The Spurs passed the Celtics in all time winning PCT earlier this season. At the rate the Celtics are going...the Bobcats should be passing them sometime soon.
Where are you getting those numbers? Unless postseason numbers considered
I'd probably put the Bulls ahead of the Spurs at this point in time, but if we win a fourth Championship this year, they might be just about even. Because it is true that outside the Jordan years, the Bulls haven't been all that great, whereas the Spurs had some good years with Gervin, then some good years with Robinson, then the great years with Duncan.
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
Here's one source...
http://home.swbell.net/hartley4/top50.htm
He keeps that list updated pretty accurately.
It's not just winning PCT either....
The Lakers, Spurs and Celtics are also the only teams 400+ games over %500...
That's amazing when you consider that there are some teams that had a 30 year head start on the Spurs.
How the Sixers aren't more games over 500 than the Spurs is dumbfounding.
ok, my mistake, I got to one page that included everything Spurs, even before they were the Spurs, so it had their total wins and losses well above those numbers. But I was correct in having the Suns above the Jazz, and no 76ers on there.
I'll just post the whole list so people can see where their team ranks...
Mavfan, this is for you.
Code:Franchise All-Time Records:
Playoffs-
Team Games Titles W - L Pct Games +/- .500
Los Angeles Lakers 4647 53-14 2848-1799 .613 +1049
San Antonio Spurs 2510 26-1- 1493-1017 .595 +476
Boston Celtics 4757 44-16 2794-1963 .587 +831
Phoenix Suns 3166 27-0 1759-1407 .556 +352
Utah Jazz 2674 21-0 1439-1235 .538 +204
Philadelphia 76ers 4582 43-3 2461-2121 .537 +340
Milwaukee Bucks 3166 24-1 1684-1482 .532 +202
Seattle SuperSonics 3248 22-1 1725-1523 .531 +202
Portland Trail Blazers 3002 26-1 1588-1414 .529 +174
Chicago Bulls 3329 27-6 1703-1626 .512 +77
New York Knicks 4753 37-2 2399-2354 .505 +45
Houston Rockets 3248 23-2 1629-1619 .502 +10
Detroit Pistons 4644 37-3- 2302-2344 .497 -42
Miami Heat 1526 11-0 756-770 .495 -14
Indiana Pacers 2510 17-0 1235-1275 .492 -40
Atlanta Hawks 4584 36-1 2239-2345 .488 -106
Orlando Magic 1444 9-0 700-744 .485 -44
Dallas Mavericks 2182 12-0 1051-1131 .482 -80
Sacramento Kings 4647 28-1 2220-2427 .478 -207
New Orleans Hornets 1526 8-0 725-801 .475 -76
Denver Nuggets 2510 17-0 1162-1348 .463 -186
Golden State Warriors 4752 28-3 2190-2562 .461 -372
Washington Wizards 3729 24-1 1713-2016 .459 -303
Cleveland Cavaliers 3002 15-0- 1349-1653 .449 -304
Minnesota Timberwolves 1444 7-0 627-817 .434 -190
New Jersey Nets 2510 15-0 1082-1428 .431 -346
Toronto Raptors 952 4-0 388-564 .408 -176
Los Angeles Clippers 3002 7-0 1104-1898 .368 -792
Memphis Grizzlies 952 3-0 318-634 .334 -316
Charlotte Bobcats 246 0-0 77-169 .313 -92
- Pending playoffs
Check out the two Los Angeles franchises. The Lakers hold a 921.5 game
lead on the Clippers. If the Clippers went 62-20 every season, and the
Lakers went 20-62 every season, it would take 22 years for the Clippers
to overtake the Lakers!
They just had to many years of bad basketball after Dr J and before AI and then have become shit again in recent years, whereas the Spurs ae 297-113 in the last 5 years, and thats just ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Childs
I will say however, going back to the topic itself, I think the 76ers should be up there over the Pistons, because it's tough to say they are a top 5 franchise of all time with a sub .500 winning percentage.
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Originally Posted by Spider TX
Yeah but still...the Sixers have been around for 60 years and have one of the best winning PCT's of all time...they've played over 4500 games and have a winning record...
The Spurs have been around for 30(NBA) years, have played about 2000 fewer games, yet are 150 more games over 500 than the Sixers.
It's not just that either...the Spurs started out as defacto minor league team...yet somehow they've made a conference finals in every decade of their NBA existence.
If we're looking at the history of the franchises, the Warriors {1946-47, 1955-56, and 1974-75} and the Syracuse Nationals/Philadelphia 76ers {1954-55, 1966-67, 1982-83} also have 3 titlesQuote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Hopefully that logjam at 3 titles will be broken up in 2 to 2 1/2 weeks
As far as my 5 greatest teams:
Celtics
Lakers
Spurs
Bulls
76ers
in spite of both the Celtics' & 76ers' recent downturn in fortunes