No but Detroit was a much better team
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No but Detroit was a much better team
But we've faced several TEAMS better than the Cavaliers. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Small surprise, with a weakened East. The Finals, save one year, were never much of a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
And you think about how tough all those teams turned out to be...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Every single one of them was tougher than expected...
Having the goal in clear site makes teams fight a lot harder.
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Originally Posted by NoMoneyDown
One...the Pistons, the team LeBron just destroyed just about single handedly, and they almost beat us...it took a miracle game from Horry.
I know this Pistons team is not as good...and thank goodness...it took us 7 games to beat them. LeBron did it in less to this team, in more impressive fashion.
Not the same team.Quote:
One...the Pistons, the team LeBron just destroyed just about single handedly
Different coach, different center, different attitude.
Way to equivocate.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
That's because our toughest match-ups are generally in the West. I think that's the point.
Save for a Bavetta special, NY was a sweep.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by 101A
That didn't turn out to be true in 05.
It's arguable if that was true in 03...
And scoreboard says that wasn't true in 99 either.
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Originally Posted by 101A
Good thing Bavetta is retired...
yeah, but i'm not sure the spurs have ever been better as a team. 99 team couldn't score without duncan, the 03 team had manu and tony nearly rookies, 05 duncan, manu and tony were hurt (the last two from what i've read on this board). gotta count for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
The 99 team could score without Duncan...Drob could still score then, in fact he did so.Quote:
Originally Posted by td4mvp3
The 03 Team was the best Spurs Team ever IMO.
The 05 Team was lucky to beat the Pistons...it took the clutch performance of Robert Horry's career. Will he even be on the court in this series?
Duncan wasn't healthy in '05.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
A heathly Duncan means more to the Spurs as a whole than anything else.
horry's shot didn't win game 7, though. and regardless, it still doesn't address the fact that maybe horry isn't that big a hero if duncan et al are fully healthy. i mean, hell, the spurs blow out detroit in the first two games and magically tank on the same night that ginobilli gets kneed?Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
the 03 team was good but, again, how much better is that team with ginobilli playing at 05 level and tony at 07 level? i think 03 gino and 07 gino are pretty even. at the same time, robinson's back was giving out, jackson would score and then charge someone, and who was the bench outside of gino?
the 99 team relied enormously on duncan, much, much more so than the subsequent teams. the 99 squad does not beat phoenix in 05 the way the spurs did during the reg season.
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Originally Posted by whottt
Holy Jesus....
Are you on their payroll like he is?
ROFL
Of course he will.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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Originally Posted by BeerIsGood!
yah but what if they left off the d? BeerIsGoo
Not so classy then is it? :drunk
and what about the cavs in all this? pavlovic hasn't hit double figures since the semis, z had problems with webber who is not duncan, lebron doesn't appear to play much defense (that's where he lacks in relation to jordan), tony seems able to score at will, and the spurs averaged more assists than the cavs so the passing issue seems to be a push or to favor the spurs.
Pavlovic sucks...he might be the best player we have in this series. Let's hope for a lot of PT for him...and lots of touches.
The Pistons team that took the Spurs to 7 in '05 was much better than the shell of a team that got worked by the Lebrons.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
Bad comparison.
I agree with you on this, he's terribleQuote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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Originally Posted by Strike
They don't have Ben Wallace anymore and Flip is their coach...
We don't really have Robert Horry anymore...we've got Finley.
better yet, the spurs have gino, brent barry, horry and finley. certainly one of them can hit a three while duncan can be a bit better than c-webb.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
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Originally Posted by td4mvp3
Horry = 6 rings
Finley = -1 ring(and that's just for us) +1 Finals for Mavs
He's almost like SARs that way.
It's true - Lebron is the first team the Spurs have faced in the Finals with a bona fide superstar of their own . But that certainly doesn't mean they've never faced a superstar of Lebron's caliber in the playoffs, and prevailed. Think Kobe, Steve Nash, Kevin Garnett. And Deron Williams and Carmelo Anthony played like superstars for much of their playoff runs against the Spurs, just this year.
But the point is this: The Cavs cannot win a 7 game series with Lebron alone. I know his heroics in Games 5 and 6 of the series against the Pistons make it seem like it, but those games are not why the Cavs won the SERIES. The Pistons never played like they wanted to win, they never dominated the Cavs in the way I expected them to. That was clear in the first two games, even though the Pistons lost. And the Cavs smelled the Pistons fear and pounced, came back to tie the series, and then went for the jugular in the last two games.
I don't think they'll be able to do that against the Spurs - the Spurs have shown that when they lose even one game they tighten up and come back and defeat their opponent in the next game. So although I can imagine the Cavs might win 1, maybe 2 games in this series, I don't see how they can win a series against this team. Tim Duncan is too good, and the Spurs are too disciplined and poised.