Suns fans misery index goes up a notch...

June 4, 2007
Brownie Points: Cavs’ win makes Suns’ loss hurt more
Jerry Brown, Tribune Columnist
For Suns fans who felt an NBA championship was stolen away by David Stern, the basketball gods who despise their team, or, OK, OK, maybe the San Antonio Spurs, the nightmare just got worse.

Cleveland won the Eastern Conference. Oh swell.

The Suns swept the Cavaliers this season. They’ve won eight of the last 10 meetings, and led in the other two games by at least 17 points. Their game plan — let LeBron James score his 40 or so points, run Zydrunas Ilgauskas into the hardwood and exploit matchup advantages all over the floor — has a proven track record.

By the way, SI.com reports that last week in Orlando NBA owners, at the request of the Suns, took a look at the rule that levies an automatic suspension to players for leaving the bench.

No changes were recommended.

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hahahah Stupid Suns

If those damned old Spurs would just disappear, there are so many teams that could win a title.......

And can you blame them for crying? I mean, after all the Spurs already have 3. How many do they want?

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bbbbbut they are so young and explosive offensively! :dramaquee

I could give a crap what they feel about this series. If they wanted to beat the Spurs, they could have not flopped over in Game 6. But they rolled like dogs.

San Antowned

Isnt it funny the Suns have left for the season, I havent seen many of them post. I wonder if they had some mass suicide since the league" has it in for them" hahaha.

I still think that you cannot reward the team that started the conflict, and that team was the Spurs. This is why basketball is losing respect and why everybody hates Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Rinky dink judgements handed down like that threatens the integrity of the game, if you can't defend your teammate after the opposing team is taking cheap shots on him than for the safety of the players they ought to just stop playing, seeing as how they can no longer guarantee that some scrub player isn't just going to cold-cock you right in the face to start a fight and get opposing players suspended.

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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS

I still think that you cannot reward the team that started the conflict, and that team was the Spurs. This is why basketball is losing respect and why everybody hates Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Rinky dink judgements handed down like that threatens the integrity of the game, if you can't defend your teammate after the opposing team is taking cheap shots on him than for the safety of the players they ought to just stop playing, seeing as how they can no longer guarantee that some scrub player isn't just going to cold-cock you right in the face to start a fight and get opposing players suspended.

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you are way late in the argument. this has been discussed over and over and over. get over it.

end of the matter is the suns dumbass players violated the rule and got suspended for being stupid. end of story.

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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS

I still think that you cannot reward the team that started the conflict, and that team was the Spurs. This is why basketball is losing respect and why everybody hates Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Rinky dink judgements handed down like that threatens the integrity of the game, if you can't defend your teammate after the opposing team is taking cheap shots on him than for the safety of the players they ought to just stop playing, seeing as how they can no longer guarantee that some scrub player isn't just going to cold-cock you right in the face to start a fight and get opposing players suspended.

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Did we somehow revert to three weeks ago

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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS

I still think that you cannot reward the team that started the conflict, and that team was the Spurs. This is why basketball is losing respect and why everybody hates Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Rinky dink judgements handed down like that threatens the integrity of the game, if you can't defend your teammate after the opposing team is taking cheap shots on him than for the safety of the players they ought to just stop playing, seeing as how they can no longer guarantee that some scrub player isn't just going to cold-cock you right in the face to start a fight and get opposing players suspended.

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So instead let both team brawl it out? So it can look like one of those baseball pile ups. Or they can get the fans out there to and we can get a repeat of the Artest incident. Rules are rules and the other Suns players who were on the bench seemed to be aware of that. Just cause your a key player on your team doesn't mean your going to be treated differently for doing what you thought was right. Horry may have started it but its the ref and the leagues job to finish it. We could and did beat you without him anyways.

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I still think that you cannot reward the team that started the conflict, and that team was the Spurs. This is why basketball is losing respect and why everybody hates Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Rinky dink judgements handed down like that threatens the integrity of the game, if you can't defend your teammate after the opposing team is taking cheap shots on him than for the safety of the players they ought to just stop playing, seeing as how they can no longer guarantee that some scrub player isn't just going to cold-cock you right in the face to start a fight and get opposing players suspended.

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The team that started the conflict was punished. Horry fouled Nash, no question, but then he walked away towards where the play was supposed to occur and to his bench. Nash flopped and Raja Bell came running at Horry. Bell/Nash are really the people who turned it from a hard foul into a conflict, so there you go.

Suns stupidity further hurts them. Amare and Boris wouldn't have left the bench if Nash had just gotten back up or if Raja hadn't run over to get in Horry's face.

Additionally, Nash was never in physical danger from that body check. And it is the referees job to enforce the rules, not the bench of one team or the other. And if you'd like to talk further about rinky-dink judgements (that the Spurs are not responsible for and don't make) then let's talk about Horry's 2 game make up suspensions for less than multiple other fouls in the playoffs that didn't even get flagrant 2 calls, let alone 2 game suspensions.

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I still think that you cannot reward the team that started the conflict,

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Why do people look at it that way? The simple fact of the matter is that the entire bench -2 people knew the rule. They were told the rule before the season, they were told the rule again before the playoffs, and yet despite all that, those 2 guys got past all the coaches, the training staff who know to kkeep theri staff in the bench area, to MAKE THEMSELVES GET CAUGHT.
Now onto the Spurs beating the Cavs.

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Originally Posted by SAGambler

If those damned old Spurs would just disappear, there are so many teams that could win a title.......

And can you blame them for crying? I mean, after all the Spurs already have 3. How many do they want?

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The funny part is how all of them think they definitely would win the championship. Denver woulda won it all. Phoenix woulda won it all. Utah woulda won it all. Dallas...well Doll-ass is different. But you get what I mean. No matter what, only one of the sure-fire championship winners could have even reached the finals.

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I still think that you cannot reward the team that started the conflict, and that team was the Spurs. This is why basketball is losing respect and why everybody hates Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Rinky dink judgements handed down like that threatens the integrity of the game, if you can't defend your teammate after the opposing team is taking cheap shots on him than for the safety of the players they ought to just stop playing, seeing as how they can no longer guarantee that some scrub player isn't just going to cold-cock you right in the face to start a fight and get opposing players suspended.

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Most of these fans, with the exception of a few, are so close minded and clueless about everything that you saying this will just get them to always react the way they have. Blaming even the conflict on the Suns, when it was really the little bitches on the Spurs that couldn't handle something not going their way again, and then beating on a player when the game was over. The Spurs are the biggest whiny bitches in the NBA, as it shows EACH and EVERY time they get a foul called on them. They win, yes, I'll give them that, but they also bithc better than any team in basketball.

The Suns made that mistake when Amare and Diaw left the bench, but for any of these morons to blame anyone but the BITCH Horry for starting things is just being foolish.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Most of these fans, with the exception of a few, are so close minded and clueless about everything that you saying this will just get them to always react the way they have. Blaming even the conflict on the Suns, when it was really the little bitches on the Spurs that couldn't handle something not going their way again, and then beating on a player when the game was over. The Spurs are the biggest whiny bitches in the NBA, as it shows EACH and EVERY time they get a foul called on them. They win, yes, I'll give them that, but they also bithc better than any team in basketball.

The Suns made that mistake when Amare and Diaw left the bench, but for any of these morons to blame anyone but the BITCH Horry for starting things is just being foolish.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Most of these fans, with the exception of a few, are so close minded and clueless about everything that you saying this will just get them to always react the way they have. Blaming even the conflict on the Suns, when it was really the little bitches on the Spurs that couldn't handle something not going their way again, and then beating on a player when the game was over. The Spurs are the biggest whiny bitches in the NBA, as it shows EACH and EVERY time they get a foul called on them. They win, yes, I'll give them that, but they also bithc better than any team in basketball.

The Suns made that mistake when Amare and Diaw left the bench, but for any of these morons to blame anyone but the BITCH Horry for starting things is just being foolish.

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-Mars

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

The Suns made that mistake when Amare and Diaw left the bench, but for any of these morons to blame anyone but the BITCH Horry for starting things is just being foolish.

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So, being suspended two games was not punishment enough?

Why should Duncan be punished for Horry's foul?

And, as has been said a million times before, if stupis ass Bell didn't try to start shit with Bowen, there would be no suspensions.

So, blame Horry. Blame Bell. Blame Amare and Diaw. But don't blame the Spurs, and don't blame the league. It's not their fault the Suns over-reacted to Horry.

You all conveniently forget about little bitch Bowen and his cheapshots, but of course you all would forget about that, because you want to blame everyone else and think the Spurs do no wrong. But saying the altercation was caused by anyone but someone on the Spurs is just idiotic, the Spurs were starting so much all series that anyone, and I mean ANYONE in that situation would react like that.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

You all conveniently forget about little bitch Bowen and his cheapshots, but of course you all would forget about that, because you want to blame everyone else and think the Spurs do no wrong.

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I see where you guys find the humor in Suns fans now.

It's been like 3 weeks, maybe a month now. Hasn't it?

Wow.

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I see where you guys find the humor in Suns fans now.

It's been like 3 weeks, maybe a month now. Hasn't it?

Wow.

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I don't ever start it, but when these close minded fools still say the same dumb shit, I will back it up. Unfortunately, your team just never had a chance, and was only there thanks to the Warriors, so you just have to realize they were beat, and not cheapshoted at all.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

You all conveniently forget about little bitch Bowen and his cheapshots, but of course you all would forget about that, because you want to blame everyone else and think the Spurs do no wrong. But saying the altercation was caused by anyone but someone on the Spurs is just idiotic, the Spurs were starting so much all series that anyone, and I mean ANYONE in that situation would react like that.

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weak smack forum

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weak smack forum

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And so many of you cannot muster up a response wrothwhile.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

You all conveniently forget about little bitch Bowen and his cheapshots, but of course you all would forget about that, because you want to blame everyone else and think the Spurs do no wrong.

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I remember back when Shaq and Kobe used to whip the Spurs' asses. Your posts resemble what Spurs (and Kings) fans used to say about the Lakers back in the day.

In other words, you are our bitch. We own you. You will whine and cry about the Spurs until kingdom come.

Well, at least you can take solace in knowing that your best player, the one that makes your team tick, is only 22, and your team has a bright f....

Oh wait, that's Cleveland.

The Suns' window is closing. No titles in your lifetime. Eat it, bitch.

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I remember back when Shaq and Kobe used to whip the Spurs' asses. Your posts resemble what Spurs (and Kings) fans used to say about the Lakers back in the day.

In other words, you are our bitch. We own you. You will whine and cry about the Spurs until kingdom come.

Well, at least you can take solace in knowing that your best player, the one that makes your team tick, is only 22, and your team has a bright f....

Oh wait, that's Cleveland.

The Suns' window is closing. No titles in your lifetime. Eat it, bitch.

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You will be eating it soon enough, but course, when that time comes, you will be nowhere to be found, so enjoy the asterisk on 2 of your 4 titles, thats the reason your team cannot get any national respect. You will see titles very very soon from the Suns, let's see if you are man enough to eat crow then.

hmmm

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

I don't ever start it, but when these close minded fools still say the same dumb shit, I will back it up. Unfortunately, your team just never had a chance, and was only there thanks to the Warriors, so you just have to realize they were beat, and not cheapshoted at all.

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The Utah Jazz won 3 games versus the Phoenix Suns in the 2006-2007 season and lost only 1.

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

I remember back when Shaq and Kobe used to whip the Spurs' asses. Your posts resemble what Spurs (and Kings) fans used to say about the Lakers back in the day.

In other words, you are our bitch. We own you. You will whine and cry about the Spurs until kingdom come.

Well, at least you can take solace in knowing that your best player, the one that makes your team tick, is only 22, and your team has a bright f....

Oh wait, that's Cleveland.

The Suns' window is closing. No titles in your lifetime. Eat it, bitch.

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Yeah, must suck. When Duncan finishes owning the league; the Cavs are going to have fleshed out that lineup and....lots of good players gonna go ringless.

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Yeah, must suck. When Duncan finishes owning the league; the Cavs are going to have fleshed out that lineup and....lots of good players gonna go ringless.

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As a Utah fan, I know how it feels to be on the losing end of this 'owning.' Two words -- Michael Jordan.

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Originally Posted by Corn on the Colb

The Utah Jazz won 3 games versus the Phoenix Suns in the 2006-2007 season and lost only 1.

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You are right, but no way in hell would the Jazz have even won 2 against the Suns when things really mattered. The Jazz themselves would have been shocked to get a game 6 against the Suns had they played. And 2 of those wins were within the first 10 games, when the Suns looked like the worst team in the league, it's like trying to act tough when beating the Mavs during the 0-4 start.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

And so many of you cannot muster up a response wrothwhile.

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I'm not responding to any Nuggets fans weak shit either.


Next.

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You will be eating it soon enough, but course, when that time comes, you will be nowhere to be found, so enjoy the asterisk on 2 of your 4 titles, thats the reason your team cannot get any national respect. You will see titles very very soon from the Suns, let's see if you are man enough to eat crow then.

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Nobody cares about what happened to the Suns outside Arizona. You can wish it to be otherwise, but it's not.

By "soon," do you mean in terms of geologic time? Because you won't live long enough to see the Suns win a title. Maybe your grandkids will lay a flower on your grave when the Suns finally win.

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You are right, but no way in hell would the Jazz have even won 2 against the Suns when things really mattered. The Jazz themselves would have been shocked to get a game 6 against the Suns had they played. And 2 of those wins were within the first 10 games, when the Suns looked like the worst team in the league, it's like trying to act tough when beating the Mavs during the 0-4 start.

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You lost, quit crying and get over it. Start focusing on talking about what trades need to be made, what changes need to be made in the front office, etc, but bitching here will get you no where. What's done is done.

-Mars

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

You are right, but no way in hell would the Jazz have even won 2 against the Suns when things really mattered. The Jazz themselves would have been shocked to get a game 6 against the Suns had they played. And 2 of those wins were within the first 10 games, when the Suns looked like the worst team in the league, it's like trying to act tough when beating the Mavs during the 0-4 start.

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:lol Woulda, shoulda, coulda. The Suns are invincible in the hypothetical. Enjoy dreaming about your pretend championship.

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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS

I still think that you cannot reward the team that started the conflict, and that team was the Spurs. This is why basketball is losing respect and why everybody hates Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Rinky dink judgements handed down like that threatens the integrity of the game, if you can't defend your teammate after the opposing team is taking cheap shots on him than for the safety of the players they ought to just stop playing, seeing as how they can no longer guarantee that some scrub player isn't just going to cold-cock you right in the face to start a fight and get opposing players suspended.

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Everyone hates Tim Duncan and the Spurs huh? Wow, great to hear jackoff

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

You are right, but no way in hell would the Jazz have even won 2 against the Suns when things really mattered. The Jazz themselves would have been shocked to get a game 6 against the Suns had they played. And 2 of those wins were within the first 10 games, when the Suns looked like the worst team in the league, it's like trying to act tough when beating the Mavs during the 0-4 start.

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How about acting tough after beating the team that beat the Mavs?

Stfu. We'd have slowed you guys down, Deron always plays well against Steve Gash, and we were still 3-1 against you. Maybe the Jazz were the ones MAKING YOU LOOK BAD. You idiot.

No way in hell they'd beat the Suns when it mattered? It's not like the Suns are exactly notorious for coming through in the playoffs.

Owned. ^^^

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

I don't ever start it, but when these close minded fools still say the same dumb shit, I will back it up. Unfortunately, your team just never had a chance, and was only there thanks to the Warriors, so you just have to realize they were beat, and not cheapshoted at all.

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I disagree. If the Warriors had taken the Mavericks to 7 and then lost, I feel like Utah would have beaten Dallas anyway.

-Mars

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

Nobody cares about what happened to the Suns outside Arizona. You can wish it to be otherwise, but it's not.

By "soon," do you mean in terms of geologic time? Because you won't live long enough to see the Suns win a title. Maybe your grandkids will lay a flower on your grave when the Suns finally win.

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I guarantee you the Suns win a title very soon, but like I said, nobody will sack up and say they were wrong when that happens very soon. And think again, the Suns have a TON of fans outside of Arizona, as I do not even live there anymore, and see fans everywhere. I understand your need to bash other teams like that because NOBODY gives a flying fuck about the Spurs outside of San Antonio, and you all can't handle that.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Most of these fans, with the exception of a few, are so close minded and clueless about everything that you saying this will just get them to always react the way they have. Blaming even the conflict on the Suns, when it was really the little bitches on the Spurs that couldn't handle something not going their way again, and then beating on a player when the game was over. The Spurs are the biggest whiny bitches in the NBA, as it shows EACH and EVERY time they get a foul called on them. They win, yes, I'll give them that, but they also bithc better than any team in basketball.

The Suns made that mistake when Amare and Diaw left the bench, but for any of these morons to blame anyone but the BITCH Horry for starting things is just being foolish.

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:lol Woulda, shoulda, coulda. The Suns are invincible in the hypothetical. Enjoy dreaming about your pretend championship.

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....And Nash would be the MVP and everyone would call us the best ever and stop picking on us for choking each year and it would be the greatest championship in history....

Stern )#@%&*@#([email protected][email protected]$()[email protected]%&)!!!! LMAO.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

You will be eating it soon enough, but course, when that time comes, you will be nowhere to be found, so enjoy the asterisk on 2 of your 4 titles, thats the reason your team cannot get any national respect. You will see titles very very soon from the Suns, let's see if you are man enough to eat crow then.

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As far as I know the Spurs are very respected nationally. I have no clue what you're talking about.

So suddenly the Suns will start winning titles? Nice pipedream

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I guarantee you the Suns win a title very soon, but like I said, nobody will sack up and say they were wrong when that happens very soon. And think again, the Suns have a TON of fans outside of Arizona, as I do not even live there anymore, and see fans everywhere. I understand your need to bash other teams like that because NOBODY gives a flying fuck about the Spurs outside of San Antonio, and you all can't handle that.

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I live in Norfolk, Virginia, and have a large group of friends who also like the Spurs. You sir, fail at life. gg

-Mars

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I guarantee you the Suns win a title very soon, but like I said, nobody will sack up and say they were wrong when that happens very soon. And think again, the Suns have a TON of fans outside of Arizona, as I do not even live there anymore, and see fans everywhere. I understand your need to bash other teams like that because NOBODY gives a flying fuck about the Spurs outside of San Antonio, and you all can't handle that.

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How can you guarantee that?

They can't do it until now, it's not like Nash is getting younger.

Apparently the amount of fans outside your state has nothing to do with getting to the Western Finals.

However, being worthy of going there does. Thanks Jazz and Spurs, for proving this theory.

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How about acting tough after beating the team that beat the Mavs?

Stfu. We'd have slowed you guys down, Deron always plays well against Steve Gash, and we were still 3-1 against you. Maybe the Jazz were the ones MAKING YOU LOOK BAD. You idiot.

No way in hell they'd beat the Suns when it mattered? It's not like the Suns are exactly notorious for coming through in the playoffs.

Owned. ^^^

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Like I already said, beating them twice in the first 10 games means very very little. Deron Williams would have been schooled when it really mattered had he faced Nash. Just look at when the Suns really gave a shit this season and were coming into playoff form, they walloped your little Jazz. Nobody takes your team seriously, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

You all conveniently forget about little bitch Bowen and his cheapshots, but of course you all would forget about that, because you want to blame everyone else and think the Spurs do no wrong. But saying the altercation was caused by anyone but someone on the Spurs is just idiotic, the Spurs were starting so much all series that anyone, and I mean ANYONE in that situation would react like that.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Like I already said, beating them twice in the first 10 games means very very little. Deron Williams would have been schooled when it really mattered had he faced Nash. Just look at when the Suns really gave a shit this season and were coming into playoff form, they walloped your little Jazz. Nobody takes your team seriously, sorry.

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They walloped our team in a stretch where we were collapsing and losing home-court advantage.

The Warriors walloped us in that stretch as well.

That turned out pretty good for them come playoff time huh?

Williams owned Bruce Bowen. You think Nash could have stopped him? LMAO!!!! That's awesome.

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How can you guarantee that?

They can't do it until now, it's not like Nash is getting younger.

Apparently the amount of fans outside your state has nothing to do with getting to the Western Finals.

However, being worthy of going there does. Thanks Jazz and Spurs, for proving this theory.

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Your team gets the easy route to the Western Conference Finals, and all of a sudden you think they accomplished something? Go away, and come back and talk when they have something worthwhile to talk about in Utah. Williams and Boozer are getting close, but not yet.

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I still think that you cannot reward the team that started the conflict, and that team was the Spurs. This is why basketball is losing respect and why everybody hates Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Rinky dink judgements handed down like that threatens the integrity of the game, if you can't defend your teammate after the opposing team is taking cheap shots on him than for the safety of the players they ought to just stop playing, seeing as how they can no longer guarantee that some scrub player isn't just going to cold-cock you right in the face to start a fight and get opposing players suspended.

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I still think... wait a minute... why are you here?

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Most of these fans, with the exception of a few, are so close minded and clueless about everything that you saying this will just get them to always react the way they have. Blaming even the conflict on the Suns, when it was really the little bitches on the Spurs that couldn't handle something not going their way again, and then beating on a player when the game was over. The Spurs are the biggest whiny bitches in the NBA, as it shows EACH and EVERY time they get a foul called on them. They win, yes, I'll give them that, but they also bithc better than any team in basketball.

The Suns made that mistake when Amare and Diaw left the bench, but for any of these morons to blame anyone but the BITCH Horry for starting things is just being foolish.

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Three point deficit with 30 seconds to go. Nobody thinks that game was over by a long shot. Nash flopped to get a bogus flagrant call, which would have been a brilliant way to seal the game, except that he fooled his entire team in the process.

It's not like history doesn't prove the Spurs fuckin' own the Suns anyway. At least Suns fans have something to blame now other than the fact that they have an inferior team built for exhibition games full of weak minded players and coaches.

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Originally Posted by Corn on the Colb

They walloped our team in a stretch where we were collapsing and losing home-court advantage.

The Warriors walloped us in that stretch as well.

That turned out pretty good for them come playoff time huh?

Williams owned Bruce Bowen. You think Nash could have stopped him? LMAO!!!! That's awesome.

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It wouldn't have been stopping him, just outscoring him and showing him a thing or two about playing that position.

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

Maybe your grandkids will lay a flower on your grave when the Suns finally win.

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D'oh?

:ihit I'll take an asterisk over getting beat by a team with an asterisk. it's the same pattern, Suns talk shit, Suns lose to the Spurs. Can't blame them, when you step on their necks they are going to squirm. Fight or Flight. 'Cept they chose Flight in game 6 I guess.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Your team gets the easy route to the Western Conference Finals, and all of a sudden you think they accomplished something? Go away, and come back and talk when they have something worthwhile to talk about in Utah. Williams and Boozer are getting close, but not yet.

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Boozer, Williams, in their first playoff run, win a Game 7 on the road against the mighty T-Mac and Yao, then beatdown the hottest team in the league in 5 games, and bow out to the eventual champions, who are far and away the best team in the last 4-5 years. Probably the best Spurs ever.

I guess there's nothing accomplished there.

Oh, I forgot to put in the fact they went further than the Suns.

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Three point deficit with 30 seconds to go. Nobody thinks that game was over by a long shot. Nash flopped to get a bogus flagrant call, which would have been a brilliant way to seal the game, except that he fooled his entire team in the process.

It's not like history doesn't prove the Spurs fuckin' own the Suns anyway. At least Suns fans have something to blame now other than the fact that they have an inferior team built for exhibition games full of weak minded players and coaches.

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The game was over, the Suns were getting fouled with a great foul shooter, putting it to at least 4. Nash never flopped, go and watch it again, when a guy 7 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier lays a shoulder into you, you fall, just physics.

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Like I already said, beating them twice in the first 10 games means very very little. Deron Williams would have been schooled when it really mattered had he faced Nash. Just look at when the Suns really gave a shit this season and were coming into playoff form, they walloped your little Jazz. Nobody takes your team seriously, sorry.

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I gaurentee the Spurs take the Jazz seriously. Any Jerry Sloan led team poses more of a threat than one led by D'Ant/Nash.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

It wouldn't have been stopping him, just outscoring him and showing him a thing or two about playing that position.

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It's hard to outscore someone when you'd be allowing 30 a game. Nash wouldn't score 30 a game on Williams.

Deron doesn't need to learn anything from Nash, he learns from someone who is so much higher, mightier, flat-out-better, smarter, better, stronger, faster, cooler, and much much better than Nash, John Stockton.

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Originally Posted by Corn on the Colb

Boozer, Williams, in their first playoff run, win a Game 7 on the road against the mighty T-Mac and Yao, then beatdown the hottest team in the league in 5 games, and bow out to the eventual champions, who are far and away the best team in the last 4-5 years. Probably the best Spurs ever.

I guess there's nothing accomplished there.

Oh, I forgot to put in the fact they went further than the Suns.

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No, it's nothing accomplished, as the Rockets do not know how to win, and those 2 are not that mighty, as they win nothing. The Warriors were the hottest team for 6 games, when they matched up well, but were never a real threat. They got the easy route there, and then were punished by a good team, like they would have been against the Mavs or Suns, any of the 3 would have crushed your girls up there.

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It's hard to outscore someone when you'd be allowing 30 a game. Nash wouldn't score 30 a game on Williams.

Deron doesn't need to learn anything from Nash, he learns from someone who is so much higher, mightier, flat-out-better, smarter, better, stronger, faster, cooler, and much much better than Nash, John Stockton.

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Stockton is in no way much much better. How many MVP's does he have again? He's better, but not all that much as you say.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

The game was over, the Suns were getting fouled with a great foul shooter, putting it to at least 4. Nash never flopped, go and watch it again, when a guy 7 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier lays a shoulder into you, you fall, just physics.

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You are blind.

Wow. He hit the table then kind of hesitates and THEN falls the rest of the way to the ground, writhing in 'pain', only to get up immediately, unscathed, miraculously healed, to try and attack the 7 footer who would crush him if he had the chance.

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I gaurentee the Spurs take the Jazz seriously. Any Jerry Sloan led team poses more of a threat than one led by D'Ant/Nash.

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And you sir, are an idiot, and have shown how little you really know. The Spurs were much much much more worried about the SUns than the little Jazz.

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You are blind.

Wow. He hit the table then kind of hesitates and THEN falls the rest of the way to the ground, writhing in 'pain', only to get up immediately, unscathed, miraculously healed, to try and attack the 7 footer who would crush him if he had the chance.

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He flopped a bit at the end, but that was no flop as to why he fell. Anyone with that size disadvantage falls, and thats why the team reacted, to stick up for their player who took a cheapshot.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

The game was over, the Suns were getting fouled with a great foul shooter, putting it to at least 4. Nash never flopped, go and watch it again, when a guy 7 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier lays a shoulder into you, you fall, just physics.

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Three point deficit with 30 seconds to go. At home. No Suns fan on earth believes that the game was over at that point. You are just flat lying if you say anything of the kind. The Spurs gave up like a 12 point lead in that amount of time, and I remember the Spurs coming back from like seven points on the Suns in less than ten seconds. You should remember that one; the Suns protested the game to the commissioner.

The point is, there's no way that game was over until the refs gave Nash two and the ball and ejected the most clutch shooter on the floor. Doesn't matter anyway. Your shitty team couldn't even win game six against the undermanned Spurs.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Stockton is in no way much much better. How many MVP's does he have again? He's better, but not all that much as you say.

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LMAO. Nash has 2 undeserved MVP's. Nash is playing how the PG position should be played, pass-first. And he gets rewarded with an MVP during a 14 ppg and 11 apg year? Stockton had three straight 17 ppg & 13-14 apg years with less weapons than Nash. Nash only has MVP's because the NBA over-praised him for playing point guard. Stockton owns Nash.

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And you sir, are an idiot, and have shown how little you really know. The Spurs were much much much more worried about the SUns than the little Jazz.

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They had already dismissed the Suns, I'm pretty sure they were worried more about the team who could actually get to the Western Finals.

Where exactly was there a 14ppg a year in there. An MVP makes his team that much better, and taking a BAD BAD team and turning them into a 62 win team is an MVP year. They were deserved in every way.

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He flopped a bit at the end, but that was no flop as to why he fell. Anyone with that size disadvantage falls, and thats why the team reacted, to stick up for their player who took a cheapshot.

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And if they didn't leave the bench, we probably wouldn't be talking about it.

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Stockton is in no way much much better. How many MVP's does he have again? He's better, but not all that much as you say.

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:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

If Nash has the same type of season he's had for the next couple of years, he'll pass Muggsy Bogues on the all time assists list and get into the top ten. Fucking please. We know you weren't watching basketball before 2005, but don't make it so easy to prove what a stupid homer you are. :lol

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Where exactly was there a 14ppg a year in there. An MVP makes his team that much better, and taking a BAD BAD team and turning them into a 62 win team is an MVP year. They were deserved in every way.

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1st Year - Shaq.

2nd Year - Kobe, Dirk, and LeBron.

They are who deserved it over him.

He should have gotten it this year, but his 2 previous ones were so bogus that they couldn't give him another. And they fixed the screw up by giving it to Dirk.

Gotta love it.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Three point deficit with 30 seconds to go. At home. No Suns fan on earth believes that the game was over at that point. You are just flat lying if you say anything of the kind. The Spurs gave up like a 12 point lead in that amount of time, and I remember the Spurs coming back from like seven points on the Suns in less than ten seconds. You should remember that one; the Suns protested the game to the commissioner.

The point is, there's no way that game was over until the refs gave Nash two and the ball and ejected the most clutch shooter on the floor. Doesn't matter anyway. Your shitty team couldn't even win game six against the undermanned Spurs.

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Dude, stop kidding yourself, that game was over. It was becoming a 4 point lead, maybe even 5, and there was less than 15 second to go, not 30 as you say.

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:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

If Nash has the same type of season he's had for the next couple of years, he'll pass Muggsy Bogues on the all time assists list and get into the top ten. Fucking please. We know you weren't watching basketball before 2005, but don't make it so easy to prove what a stupid homer you are. :lol

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LMAO.

And Muggsy can act! Can Nash? :lol

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Where exactly was there a 14ppg a year in there. An MVP makes his team that much better, and taking a BAD BAD team and turning them into a 62 win team is an MVP year. They were deserved in every way.

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I'm sure you don't know anything about the pre-2005 Suns because you weren't a fan then, but they won 44 games in 2003 and gave the Spurs a more competetive playoff series than they've given since Nash arrived. Amare was hurt, they changed coaches and traded away all their guards. Do a little research before you say stupid shit.

Nash has two MVP trophies: Lebron's and Shaq's.

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Originally Posted by Spider TX

Dude, stop kidding yourself, that game was over. It was becoming a 4 point lead, maybe even 5, and there was less than 15 second to go, not 30 as you say.

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It was a 3 point game, and 18-19 seconds left.

Get it right.

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Originally Posted by Corn on the Colb

1st Year - Shaq.

2nd Year - Kobe, Dirk, and LeBron.

They are who deserved it over him.

He should have gotten it this year, but his 2 previous ones were so bogus that they couldn't give him another. And they fixed the screw up by giving it to Dirk.

Gotta love it.

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Nobody, and I mean NOBODY deserved it over him, because the MVP means the most VALUABLE ot his team, and nobody compares to Nash in that category. Now you wanna say best player in the league that year, then Kobe would have about 7 awards, but that's not what the award is. And now most people around the country think he should have gotten his third, as Dirk's numbers were down, but he was valuable to leading his team to 67 wins, so he got the award, but again, Kobe was far and away the best player.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

I'm sure you don't know anything about the pre-2005 Suns because you weren't a fan then, but they won 44 games in 2003 and gave the Spurs a more competetive playoff series than they've given since Nash arrived. Amare was hurt, they changed coaches and traded away all their guards. Do a little research before you say stupid shit.

Nash has two MVP trophies: Lebron's and Shaq's.

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LMAO. Beautiful.

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Originally Posted by Corn on the Colb

It was a 3 point game, and 18-19 seconds left.

Get it right.

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It was a 3 point game, about to BECOME 5, and yes, there were 18 seconds, so I was off by 3, but there were not 30.

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Dude, stop kidding yourself, that game was over. It was becoming a 4 point lead, maybe even 5, and there was less than 15 second to go, not 30 as you say.

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Since you mentioned it, I went back and checked. There were 18 seconds on the clock. Nash missed one free throw, so the lead was four. Barring the flop, the Spurs had a timeout, and the ball, with a four point deficit at home. They didn't think the game was over. Trust me. Horry wasn't trying to hurt Nash. If he had been, I assure you Nash would have been hurt.

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I'm sure you don't know anything about the pre-2005 Suns because you weren't a fan then, but they won 44 games in 2003 and gave the Spurs a more competetive playoff series than they've given since Nash arrived. Amare was hurt, they changed coaches and traded away all their guards. Do a little research before you say stupid shit.

Nash has two MVP trophies: Lebron's and Shaq's.

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I know all there is about them as I've been a fan my whole life. Go take a second and look at their stellar 2003-2004 record, the one right before Nash. I wasn't talking about 2002-2003 when Amare was a rookie and Marbury was still decent for them.

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Nobody, and I mean NOBODY deserved it over him, because the MVP means the most VALUABLE ot his team, and nobody compares to Nash in that category. Now you wanna say best player in the league that year, then Kobe would have about 7 awards, but that's not what the award is. And now most people around the country think he should have gotten his third, as Dirk's numbers were down, but he was valuable to leading his team to 67 wins, so he got the award, but again, Kobe was far and away the best player.

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If it was COMPLETELY judged by the voters on purely how valuable the guy is to the team, then it would be between Jason Kidd and Tim Duncan every year.

But the voters DO and always have factored in numbers. Just not in Nash's, because of my previous post. The NBA forgot that all Nash does well is play point guard. It's not like Nash is one of the 10 best PG's ever.

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Since you mentioned it, I went back and checked. There were 18 seconds on the clock. Nash missed one free throw, so the lead was four. Barring the flop, the Spurs had a timeout, and the ball, with a four point deficit at home. They didn't think the game was over. Trust me. Horry wasn't trying to hurt Nash. If he had been, I assure you Nash would have been hurt.

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I thought it was 100-97.

But I agree, if Horry wanted to hurt him, he freaking could.

Dude, all you have to do is watch the tape to see what happened.

Nobody denies that Horry gave Nash an unnecessarily hard foul. But given that the refs didn't call the two clear fouls by Finley on Nash right after the inbounds, I don't blame him for bodychecking Nash. It wasn't even that hard a foul, frankly. Harder than necessary, probably, but hardly designed to injure him. In fact, specifically designed to throw him out of the way without injury, hence why Horry's arms where held inside.

But it would have ended there had it not been for Nash's embellishment, and if you don't believe he embellished, then you are the one being close minded. The tape evidence clearly shows that he fell (as he would by physics), paused, then flung his arms and legs out and scooted backwards. Robert Horry was then accosted by Raja Bell who ran over as Horry walked away towards his bench. Raja got in Horry's face and THAT was the start of the altercation.

I am not going to argue Bowen's 'tactics' with you or anyone, because it's totally subjective.

And stop pretending the Suns got screwed over by Stern. Or that had it not been for that you would have won. You lost 2 games previously, couldn't pull out a game 5 when the Spurs played like utter shit scrubs because your coach overplayed them and refused to play the bench for just 2 minutes, and then rolled over in game 6.

That's what happened plain and simple. Your team didn't pull it out, just like the Spurs didn't last year against the Mavs.

And unfortunately for you as a fan, your team has chemistry issues that are becoming very apparent and it's clear that you've got people on the block. Maybe that will help, but you won't know until this time next year. The window is certainly closing, just as it is for the Spurs, given the relative ages of our primary players.

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Since you mentioned it, I went back and checked. There were 18 seconds on the clock. Nash missed one free throw, so the lead was four. Barring the flop, the Spurs had a timeout, and the ball, with a four point deficit at home. They didn't think the game was over. Trust me. Horry wasn't trying to hurt Nash. If he had been, I assure you Nash would have been hurt.

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The game was pretty much over in everyones mind as the Suns made it 4, and kept the ball and were fouled again to go to 6. Horry knew it was over so he did what he did.

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Most of these fans, with the exception of a few, are so close minded and clueless about everything that you saying this will just get them to always react the way they have. Blaming even the conflict on the Suns, when it was really the little bitches on the Spurs that couldn't handle something not going their way again, and then beating on a player when the game was over. The Spurs are the biggest whiny bitches in the NBA, as it shows EACH and EVERY time they get a foul called on them. They win, yes, I'll give them that, but they also bithc better than any team in basketball.

The Suns made that mistake when Amare and Diaw left the bench, but for any of these morons to blame anyone but the BITCH Horry for starting things is just being foolish.

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its funny.. suns fans wouldnt know this because they just started watching basketball again. but the spurs have had to deal with their fair share of questionable/BUNK calls over the years. we lost championships due to some of these. sorrys suns, but it's a right of passage. Maybe if you handle it as gracefully as the spurs and spurs fans you might also get to the top of the mountain someday.

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Nobody, and I mean NOBODY deserved it over him, because the MVP means the most VALUABLE ot his team, and nobody compares to Nash in that category. Now you wanna say best player in the league that year, then Kobe would have about 7 awards, but that's not what the award is. And now most people around the country think he should have gotten his third, as Dirk's numbers were down, but he was valuable to leading his team to 67 wins, so he got the award, but again, Kobe was far and away the best player.

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Interesting logic. So does the driver of a school bus deserve an award because he's the only one that can drive?

Nash is the most valuable player on his team because:

1. The coach sucks
2. There's no other point guard on the roster
3. The other stars on the team have a combined basketball IQ of about 90

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Originally Posted by Corn on the Colb

If it was COMPLETELY judged by the voters on purely how valuable the guy is to the team, then it would be between Jason Kidd and Tim Duncan every year.

But the voters DO and always have factored in numbers. Just not in Nash's, because of my previous post. The NBA forgot that all Nash does well is play point guard. It's not like Nash is one of the 10 best PG's ever.

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I'm not even going to get into the best PG argument, because most knowledgable analysts will never agree with you. Taking a 29 win team to 62 and the leagues best record in 1 year speaks volumes for that award.

Guess what?

The Suns were up, by what, 16 points in Game 5?

And CHOKED.

If they were any type of decent in the playoffs, NASH in particular, we wouldn't have to talk about the suspensions because they'd have beaten the Spurs with their HUGE LEAD.

But, we're here.

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I'm not even going to get into the best PG argument, because most knowledgable analysts will never agree with you. Taking a 29 win team to 62 and the leagues best record in 1 year speaks volumes for that award.

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Would you argue that Nash is a top-tier point guard of all-time?

Because if you did, you'd be wrong.

Magic, Stockton, Thomas, then everyone else.

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Guess what?

The Suns were up, by what, 16 points in Game 5?

And CHOKED.

If they were any type of decent in the playoffs, NASH in particular, we wouldn't have to talk about the suspensions because they'd have beaten the Spurs with their HUGE LEAD.

But, we're here.

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Let's not forget, a shorthanded game 5 where only 6 players played, and yes 6, not 7 because Burke never counts. That's on the coach though because he didn't have enough players playoff ready, but losing a 12 point lead with only 6 players against a pretty much full strength SPurs squad will happen easily. The lead was not 16.

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The game was pretty much over in everyones mind as the Suns made it 4, and kept the ball and were fouled again to go to 6. Horry knew it was over so he did what he did.

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Another lie. What you describe above is after the Horry foul. The game was over as soon as Nash got two shots and the ball. Since Horry basically said the reason he fouled Nash was because if Nash got by him the game was over, I'm not sure why you are so sure Horry thought the game was over.

BTW, easjer: There was no inbounds on that play, the Spurs missed a shot. And Finley never made contact. That's why it made sense that Horry was worried about Nash getting past him.

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Would you argue that Nash is a top-tier point guard of all-time?

Because if you did, you'd be wrong.

Magic, Stockton, Thomas, then everyone else.

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I will say those 3 and a couple others are above him, but sure as hell not 10 above him. But like I said, I won;t argue this, its been done before, and too many idiots throw a name like Kidd in there when he is nowhere near Nash, tust me, I know, I watched him too.

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The game was pretty much over in everyones mind as the Suns made it 4, and kept the ball and were fouled again to go to 6. Horry knew it was over so he did what he did.

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it was three points. spurs took two more three pointers during the course of the game, which could have tied or taken a lead with some missed free throws.

it was over in your mind, but you don't get to decide for the players. they still had a long shot at winning.

don't you ever tire of being wrong?

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Another lie. What you describe above is after the Horry foul. The game was over as soon as Nash got two shots and the ball. Since Horry basically said the reason he fouled Nash was because if Nash got by him the game was over, I'm not sure why you are so sure Horry thought the game was over.

BTW, easjer: There was no inbounds on that play, the Spurs missed a shot. And Finley never made contact. That's why it made sense that Horry was worried about Nash getting past him.

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Dude, Horry could have fouled, not done what he did, those are different. He was all frustrated and butthurt because his team folded, and he took it to far.

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Let's not forget, a shorthanded game 5 where only 6 players played, and yes 6, not 7 because Burke never counts. That's on the coach though because he didn't have enough players playoff ready, but losing a 12 point lead with only 6 players against a pretty much full strength SPurs squad will happen easily. The lead was not 16.

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Are you starting to sense a pattern here? Why is it you always have an excuse for losing? At what point do you just man the fuck up? You are a puss, and I'm so glad that basketball karma keeps slapping your team in the face with its dick.

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Are you starting to sense a pattern here? Why is it you always have an excuse for losing? At what point do you just man the fuck up? You are a puss, and I'm so glad that basketball karma keeps slapping your team in the face with its dick.

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Well when some Jazz moron tries to compare losing a 12 point lead in that situation to potentially losing the small lead with 18 seconds to go, I will say that. I have said many times before, the Suns lost game 5 because of bad coaching and missing key shots, plain and simple.

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I will say those 3 and a couple others are above him, but sure as hell not 10 above him. But like I said, I won;t argue this, its been done before, and too many idiots throw a name like Kidd in there when he is nowhere near Nash, tust me, I know, I watched him too.

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Did you say Nash's career > Kidd's career?

Please don't tell me you are that bad of a homer.

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it was three points. spurs took two more three pointers during the course of the game, which could have tied or taken a lead with some missed free throws.

it was over in your mind, but you don't get to decide for the players. they still had a long shot at winning.

don't you ever tire of being wrong?

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Owned!!! Just plain-old fucking owned!!!

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Dude, Horry could have fouled, not done what he did, those are different. He was all frustrated and butthurt because his team folded, and he took it to far.

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How? What did Horry do that was so egregious? He didn't put his elbow up. He looked like he was either going to draw a charge or set a pick. He threw his weight into it at the end. He turned around and walked away as soon as he did it. Everything else that happened after that is on your team.

I'm so tired of owning you guys. You are the weakest fan base, by far, in the history of sports.

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Did you say Nash's career > Kidd's career?

Please don't tell me you are that bad of a homer.

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Yes, I will say that all day, and I'm a huge Kidd fan as well. Remember, he spent the years in Phoenix, and was shipped, which was a very unpopular move in Phoenix. I will always stick by great players who wore that uniform, and Kidd did for longer, but he still was never the PG Nash has become.

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Well when some Jazz moron tries to compare losing a 12 point lead in that situation to potentially losing the small lead with 18 seconds to go, I will say that. I have said many times before, the Suns lost game 5 because of bad coaching and missing key shots, plain and simple.

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Uh, dude, it's a valid point. The Suns and Spurs each came back from deficits in that series, so the idea that either team thought game 4 was over is laughable.

The Jazz moron is owning you. Something about knowing more about basketball than you do.

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Well when some Jazz moron tries to compare losing a 12 point lead in that situation to potentially losing the small lead with 18 seconds to go, I will say that. I have said many times before, the Suns lost game 5 because of bad coaching and missing key shots, plain and simple.

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I never compared it to potentially losing a lead with 18 seconds left.

What the fuck are you talking about? Don't put words in my mouth dipshit.

The fact is, the Suns, regardless of the situation, had a double figure lead and lost it. LOST. Who cares why? THEY LOST AND COULD HAVE WON WITHOUT AMARE. They played a whole season without Amare and made it farther. He obviously wasn't THAT vital. They still could have won. And lost. Why you think they lost is irrelevant.

And the biggest lead was 16. I'm no idiot. I remember this shit. Look it up.

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How? What did Horry do that was so egregious? He didn't put his elbow up. He looked like he was either going to draw a charge or set a pick. He threw his weight into it at the end. He turned around and walked away as soon as he did it. Everything else that happened after that is on your team.

I'm so tired of owning you guys. You are the weakest fan base, by far, in the history of sports.

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Horry laid his shoulder in like the BITCH he is, and always has been. Bell came to the defense of his teammate who was knocked down, and then Horry made another BITCH move and elbowed him. The rest of it is on the Suns from there with Amare and Diaw, but it will always be the little girl Horry who got it all going because he couldn't handle losing like a man.

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Yes, I will say that all day, and I'm a huge Kidd fan as well. Remember, he spent the years in Phoenix, and was shipped, which was a very unpopular move in Phoenix. I will always stick by great players who wore that uniform, and Kidd did for longer, but he still was never the PG Nash has become.

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Kidd was traded for Marbury because he got arrested for hitting his wife. He's still the best point guard the Suns have ever had. Nash has an outside chance of becoming the third best point guard the Suns have ever had if he plays well the next couple of years.