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Being From Akron, OH and having went to St.. Vincent St. Marys...(a few years before lebron). From a neutral perspective, if there is one, all of my fellow colleagues down here who are huge tim duncan fans (and friends of) and San Antonio fans, think this is going to be a monster series and that the Cavs present some matchup probelms for the spurs. Its pretty unanamous down here that the series is going to go 7.
Cavs can make this an ugly series and make the Spurs do things they don't want to do offensively. The Spurs can do the same, however in an ugly series I like the Cavs because of Lebron's leadership and ability to improvise and score.
I look for the Spurs to win in 2. The Cavs will forfeit after they take back-to-back ass-poundings.
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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
Jesus. You can't listen to these CAVS Fans, they are all just finals virgins
Wait until your team gets fucked a few times
All I am hearing is the overconfidence of the Spurs shining through just like it did with the Pistons. You guys will be the first ones to eat your words, Cavs will make this an ugly series like I said and Lebron will take over. Cleveland is playing better defense than the Spurs are right now, they have a coach who knows the in's and out's of your playbook, they have Lebron to carry the load offensively. Cavs in 5, we're gonna shock the world!
and the texans are throwing around the education quotes, seriously, is that worth a post? :donkeyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ronaldo McDonald
Cleveland > Detroit (with Flip)Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
Detroit (with Popovich) > Cleveland
San Antonio (with Flip) >> Cleveland
San Antonio (with Popovich) >>>>>>>>> Cleveland
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Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
HAHA. This is a message board dipshit I'm not about to boast about my level of education
beno 1ring >>>>anyone on the cavsQuote:
Originally Posted by NoMoneyDown
BW you're right. We are overconfident despite the several comments by players that they recognize the WCF win was great, but they had work ahead. We are overconfident because we have been here before, and been told we're overconfident. We have no idea what it takes to win, we're to old, slow, boring, dirty to overcome the Nuggets, let alone the Suns, and don't even think about going up against the Jazz who beat GS who beat the almighty _allas.
We're scrubs, America hates us, Virgin Island people doubt us, we're bitches, we suck, is there anything else we're forgetting? Except the fact that we've heard this shit for the last 10 years and it hasn't made a difference yet.
Good luck, you'll need it.
Detroit wouldn't beat Cleveland regardless, they lost their winning edge after their championship run and they turn on their coach the first chance they get. They're whiners.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoMoneyDown
San Antonio doesn't scare me nearly as much as Detroit did as a Cavs fan, San Antonio doesn't have the defensive presence the same way Detroit did. Floppers like Ginobli don't scare anybody the way that guys like Prince and Wallace can with their ability to block shots. Duncan obviously is probably the biggest presence in the league in the paint, however he is only one guy and Lebron will take him to school one on one when he makes his move to the basket. The only reason Detroit had any success defending Lebron at all was because they attacked him with numbers.
Detroit had some height across the board to combat Cleveland's size with, San Antonio doesn't have anything close to that. It doesn't matter what all these "experts" are saying, they just don't want to be the guy who steps out on a limb and picks the Cavs (San Antonio is the safe pick). It's matchups that make ballgames and Cleveland matches up much better against San Antonio than they do against Detroit, plain and simple. Cavs will control this series.
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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
EASTERN CONFERENCE TEAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, last time I checked, wasn't last season's NBA Champion an Eastern Conference team??Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas
:bang They don't get it. They just don't get it. :bangQuote:
Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas
Why do Cavs fans feel like they have to come in here to say this "Cavs will win" bullshit? To the original poster: What kind of match up problems do the Spurs face, other than the LBJ one? Just give me an answer, I need a laugh.
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You make it seem as if the team that has been to the Finals in three of the last five years (with the other two years being .4 and Game 7 OT) has no leadership or the ability to improvise.
I respect the fact that you are a fan of your team, you are excited that they are in the Finals, and feel that they legitimately have a chance to win. However, within the last year LBJ has been accused of coasting and not wanting the big game based on his play at times on the court. The Spurs have been the best team in the NBA for the last 5 years and are the poster children for "winning ugly". You are doing a disservice to the collective basketball intelligence to assume that a one year hot playoff run for LBJ equates to leadership and improvisation that completely and definitively trumps the combined leadership of the Spurs' Big Three.
Only because of a dumb foul in a Game 7 in the WCSF and the worst choke job in Finals history.Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
Let's all be intellectually honest and admit that Miami did not so much win that series as much as Dallas choked it away.
The 04 and 05 Piston teams were the only legitimate powers to come out of the East this decade.
BWJACKETS, you are a true moron, I'm gonna frame this post and put it all over your face when we take out your folks. You knowledge of what is going on is pathetic. You are just eating up all the jazz going on with LeBron this week. You are just another guy who would turn the tv on just to watch what they NBA prepared you. What a way of saying 30 stupid things per minute. You are #1!!!
Lots of casual fans showing up these days now that one of the studs from the NBA marketing stable made it to the Big Dance...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurOutofTownFan
Coincidence? I think not.
Yes, please break down the match up problems. I'm interested to see what people are thinking over there. I need someone to make my day.Quote:
Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
yes.........with two all-stars that includes a legend-to-be. :donkeyQuote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
i could go back and forth with, but just hold on to that eastern conference trophy 'cause that's the only thing you'll be getting this year.
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Originally Posted by BigBeezie
-Mars
Nothing that hasn't already been debated in length. It doesn't matter that much until gametime now, but all of these games are going to be very close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronaldo McDonald
I don't see your perimter players slashing to the paint like usual, They'll put lebron on ginobli or parker (probably parker in the second half) and just shut him out of any kind of drives completely....Duncan is not a MEGA scorer...and won't be against us, at least not as a scoring average for the series. All these games will be mid 80's to early 90's.
Peace from the island, too bad working til five, beach is looking sweeeet.
your fellow colleagues are idiots. Spurs in 5 maxQuote:
Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
I'm talking about the size that the Cavs have, they've got two legit centers and they can play big with guy like Gooden, Pavlovic, Marshall, James, none of whom scale in at any smaller than 6'7. They play great defense and they have range that goes on for miles. I think Cleveland will control the boards for the most part and contest shots. For good measure, Varajao is the best in the league at drawing charges so Parker and Ginobli will have to be constantly aware of that seeing as how they always rush in to try and draw contact. Cavs will take the Spurs out of their offense. That will be the key, take San Antonio out of their offense and with a guy like Lebron James he will find ways to win the tightly contested games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronaldo McDonald
It isn't about individual matchups that has me optimistic, it is how each team looks against each other when they have their full teams out on the court. People said the same thing when Cleveland played Detroit, they said "Oh, Detroit has four legit scorers in Billups, Prince, Wallace, and Hamilton, and they play great defense as well, Cleveland has no chance." Well, they're saying the same thing now and it is going to be the same result. Cleveland will play big on San Antonio and they will have an even bigger advantage in that respect than they did against Detroit. Duncan is a dominant player, but again, he is one player and Cleveland has a big numerical advantage when it comes to big men to combat him with.
I appreciate the fact that the Spurs have been near the top of the league for so long, however my counterpoint is that I think you guys aren't going to be ready for the beast that is Lebron James, and also I don't think you have done your research on the Cavs because you just are willing to assume that because they are the Cavs they'll roll over and die. Sorry Charlie, it ain't happenin'.
because lebronze's defense is so great :rolleyes There is no way in hell lebron can guard parker. Parker would torch his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
Wrong. If Cavs put LBJ on Ginobili they are doomed. They are doomed anyway since LBJ appears to be the only player capable of guarding either 2 players but they will make him pay for that and put him in foul trouble. Expect to see LBJ picking up easy fouls when assigned to guard them. IF they are smart, they will use LBJ very rarely for accomplished defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
Wow, how much is crack up there in Cleveland cause you are smoking quite a bit of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
Just because the calves beat the Spurs EARLY in the season when the Spurs where playing like crap does not mean the calves are going to beat the Spurs in the Finals.
You don't think the Spurs have done their research? A team with three recent Titles? Whose winning % is off the charts? Who have been legitimate contenders almost half of LeBron's life?Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
If you're referring to fans, fine. Fans say what they want.
If you're referring to Pop and his staff, to Duncan and his team, you're more fucked up than I thought you were.
GTFO.
You will be disappointed. You got it all wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
Not referring to the team, obviously they will be doing their homework. I'm referring to the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan228
Lebron does play good D, and it has been exceptional in the postseason, obviously you haven't watched. He stays out of foul trouble in the first halfQuote:
Originally Posted by SpurOutofTownFan
and they usually put him on one of the top two offensive players in the second half. He HAS been shutting down very good offensive players. :ihit
like who?Quote:
Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
Tim in Playoffs (16 games): 23.2/11.1/3.1/3.3 in 36.7 minutes per gameQuote:
Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
Bron in Playoffs (16 games): 25.8/8.3/8.3/0.5 in 45.1 minutes per game
Per 48 minutes, Tim is outscoring LeBron 30.3 to 27.4 in the playoffs.
btw, every other player that has a higher Per 48 than Tim left the playoffs in the first round, except for Amare.
It would be unwise to discredit Tim as a scorer.
God i cant wait untill Thursday.
I really cannot fathom how these cavs fans heads got so big over 1 series.
You are in the east man...the EAST.
if you have at least a .500 record you are considered top tier. You beat no one of any actual significance in the playoffs. You could maybe say detroit, but they were playing no where near the caliber of basketball they are capable of.
please stop with the bullshit...seriously.
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Originally Posted by sandman
Spurs fans, like Cavs/Mavs/Nuggets/Suns/Jazz fans will say what they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
But history has proven that Spurs fans will be right.
And you better believe this team is prepared for your wonder-boy.
It takes five.
I wouldn't call Tayshaun Prince exceptional however he pretty made him insignificant in that series. The mere fact that somebody on the other end has to guard Lebron means that they have got to be focused entirely on defense and it limits what they can do offensively. I wouldn't call that great defense, although Lebron has played very good defense and used his athleticism to make some big plays. I would say that Lebron is playing his best basketball of his young career in these playoffs, and he's already beaten a team with four legit scorers and good defense by and large by himself, so who's to say he can't do the same thing against a team with three legit stars as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Duncan doesn't have to score to push his team
Sir, id like you to meet bruce bowen. He is on our team solely for his defense.Quote:
The mere fact that somebody on the other end has to guard Lebron means that they have got to be focused entirely on defense and it limits what they can do offensively.
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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
If you watched they played lebron on kidd and billups extensively inthe second half. Lebron also did a great job guarding VC, Richard Jeferson, and Richard Hamilton. Lebron has been guarding a variety of scorers this post season and shutting them down. :madrunQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
EAST EAST EAST :bangQuote:
Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
Better defense? Remember that the Spurs punked out the Suns whose offense punked your Cavs in the regular season.Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
Cav's fans. You truly are failing to realise one very very VERY important factor.
YOU PLAY BASKETBALL IN THE EAST
It is like the JV league. There really isnt any competition there, im sorry to break it to you. Regardless of how much the media wants this to be the show of the century, lebron against the world..etc...you just really aren't in the same league.
What is going to happen come thursday, when your team gets put back down to earth with a blow out 110 to 84 or something along those lines...
Im curious what the excuses might be.
In your opinion, do you think the Spurs will put Bowen on Lebron?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Patch
of course they will. then they will double and triple if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
Come on guys, let the Cavs fans have their fun.
Really... why do we care?
We know that Manu, Tim and Tony > Lebron. Why try to convince CavFan? The Spurs will teach them soon enough.
Hey clown, you are comparing common opponents when direct matchups are what determines games. First, Phoenix could beat alot of teams just by the way they get up and down the court, it makes them a bad matchup for any team. Second, don't flatter yourself, San Antonio got through that series as soon as the suspensions were handed down, it wasn't because they shut down the Suns offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Of course they will put bowen on lebron. I also think you will see a lot more traps (Jwill last series) to get him to pick up his dribble and pass the ball. We are also very good about closing out on the threepoint line (ask phoenix) so dont expect that all your players will be able to just stand around out on the perimeter and get open looks. That doesn't happen often against the spurs.
The spurs are a very very talented defensive team. I know you guys are high on the fact that lebron torched detroit, but detroit played D league defense for the majority of the last series. Don't expect even close to that this series. I expect lebron to get his 20 to 30 pts a game. He is a great player and i think the spurs expect it too. I DONT expect many other people to be there to contribute though, the spurs defense will lock up the other options fairly tightly, and put lebron to the test to deliver...Once again, i dont see 1 player beating a very talented spurs team.
Many of you have an East complex. ANY team in ANY sports, and year, that makes to the champioship series or game IS legitimate and CAN beat the other team. :kingQuote:
Originally Posted by duncan228
Hey clown, the East won it all last season, not the West. Enough said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Patch
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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
hey...just fyi, cause i know you are new to the playoffs, but a team has to win 4 games to advance.
If i remember correctly, the suspensions were only 1 game. And correct me if im wrong here, but i think the spurs allowed phoenix over 100pts a game, and still out scored them...
pigeonhole it all you want if it makes you feel better though.
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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
Yes. Bowen will be on LeBron. Finley will split some time on him as well.
Will Bruce stop LeBron? No. Will he frustrate him and irritate him? Yes. If things go very well for Bruce, then he will harass LeBron out of his favorite spots and urge him inside where the help defense can rotate more easily.
Regardless, I can guarantee that there won't be people standing under the basket watching Bruce chase LeBron and then watching LeBron make an easy uncontested layup. Pop won't stand for it.
Again - the Spurs play team defense. No one person will shut down LeBron, but there will be enough people actively involved to make him earn his points. And we can shut down the rest of the team.
Yeah, any time they hear what they dont want to hear, they just block it all out like an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand. It's their magic word, "EAST! EAST! EAST!" LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
rofl...i call a "championship" team who got sweeped out of hte first round the following year...a fluke...thats just me though.
good luck...ill be here waiting for your excuse after a game 1 blow out.
Its pretty unanamous down here in Texas the series is going 4, maybe 5 games and 4th title for the spurs
anything is possible but odds are heavily on Spurs sideQuote:
Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
Vegas odds:
Spurs win 1/4
Cleveland win 4/1
And we don't play D, And Z and Gooden won't hit any jumpers, we won't get any of the offensive rebounds that we're tops in the league for and.....and....and...and...and oberto is not going to get eaten alive by whoever he guards. :donkeyQuote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Patch
Oberto is pretty good Defender. I guarantee he will not get eaten alive, unless he guard Lebron. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
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Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
Sure.
But the conference that you play in is shit. You cut your teeth on piss poor opponets.
Any team out of the Western playoffs would have won your conference.
The point is that you had 1 bye series, 1 meh series in which you performed like shit and 1 series in which LeBron played very well for 3 games and the entirety of the opposing team played like shit.
To pretend that this is somehow preparation for one of the best teams in the league (and many people are saying this group is the best variation of the Spurs championship incarnations) is hopeful at best.
The Spurs regularly played much more difficult teams and ended with a better record. We played much more difficult series (and whatever you want to say about Pheonix, we still beat them 3 other times and they were incapable of forcing a 7th game, so let it go) and are playing the most cohesive ball they've played in 2 seasons.
It'll be great to see all of you cav's fans fall back down to earth friday morning.
I hope it is at least a competition though. Blowout games are boring.
Oh, it was a fluke huh? What about the Pistons beating the Lakers? If I'm not mistaken, there were "flukes" two out of the last three years then? The East may have been dominated in the Post-Jordan Era however let's not make any mistakes about it, two of the last three series' were dominated by Eastern Conference teams who were given little to no shot of taking home the hardware, and the one series win by San Antonio came down to the bounce of the ball in that one, it was that close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Patch
I'm not one for making up excuses, I'm just going to say right now that game 1 is one game, not seven. And in any event, the Spurs will not win any game via blowout, sorry it just isn't going to happen. Cavs came back from down 2-0 so you can't count them out under any circumstances. SA will not win any games in Cleveland in this series so hopefully you win all your home games.
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Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
Well, see, that is where you are wrong. If we can win in Denver, Pheonix and fucking Utah, we sure as flying fuck can win in Cleveland.
Yes, last season's NBA Champion was from the Eastern Conference, but only by virtue of Stern gangraping the Spurs in the conference semis.Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
2006 NBA Champion Miami Heat*
*Spurs screwed by refs in games 2,3,4 of wcsf (coincidentally all mavs wins, hmmm), Bavetta + Nowitzki = <3, Javie + Cuban = <3, Ginobili is stupid, no-call on the Duncan putback at the game 7 regulation buzzer
Really, I could put 30 asterisks on the Miami Heat's trophy last year. The fact that they won doesn't make East team's like the Cavs any better.
Well, see, that is where you are wrong. Cavs have lost once at home in the playoffs, they aren't going to lose at home. Also, on a side note, if your team ever was to win in Cleveland (not likely), we would have an angry mob outside the arena ready to mug your whole team.Quote:
Originally Posted by easjer
I would laugh any of my friends into the ground that called out sweep championship series, whether they were talking about the home team or not. This East vs. West stuff is B.S. anyways. The real line drwan nowadays is run and gun teams vs. defensive teams. All the hype during the regular season is the run and gun teams, but who is usually left? The half-court, defensive teams. S.A., Utah, Detroit, and Cleveland. :kingQuote:
Originally Posted by O-Factor
Classy. Threatening to harm people always scores you points. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
BTW, we don't really need to win in Cleveland to win the series, but we won in Denver twice, Pheonix twice, and Utah once. I don't think the Spurs are scared of playing in Cleveland.
OHHHHH HAHAHA....so there it is. For a second there, I thought Spurs fans were above all of the complaining about the refs. Sorry but if Dallas had made it to play you guys the Spurs wouldn't even be in the Finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.T.
Last time I checked, last season and two out of the last three years the best from the East has beaten the best from the West. So you can shut your mouth.
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Funny. Jazz had a perfect home record in the playoffs.
Worked out well for them.
And mugging our team? :rolleyes
First, VERY mature. Second, it's not like Pheonix and Utah weren't throwing shit at our team and calling bomb threats into the hotel. It's classless to do and equally classless to threaten.
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Originally Posted by virginislandCAVS
I would normally laugh my friends into the ground as well. But this is the cleveland cavaliers we are talking about here. C'mon, its not really that unlikely is it?
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Defense is always going to be tighter during the playoffs which results in lower scores and FG%. The three teams the Spurs played scored 9 points below their regular season average during the playoffs. The Cavs opponents scored 8.2 points below. Both groups of opponents had a FG% that was 2.5% lower than the regular season. It would seem that any defensive comparisons would be a wash.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
What I find interesting (considering that scoring is down in the playoffs) is that the Spurs' points per game and FG% have been fairly consistent with the regular season (down .6 points and 1.1%, respectively), but the Cavs' points per game and FG% are down (down 5.9 points and 2%, respectively).
It is also interesting to note that the 3-pt FG% for the Spurs has improved in the playoffs, whereas the Cavs 3-pt FG% has decreased.
This series may not be about defense at all, but rather about which team can still execute their offense without improvisations or miracles.
2 times in the last 8 years the East has won... WOOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
coincidentally, no Eastern team has ever beaten the Spurs in the Playoffs.
That's a pretty good bet actullay! Better than alot I've seen... :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
I can't wait to meet you on Thursday and finally hear you drop f-bomb adjectives like this in person. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by easjer
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Yah we won because Horry was suspended in game 6 when the Suns were full strength! -or- did you mean that they had no spine and decided to lay down because they had lost game 5 unjustly?
Saying the Pistons were an offensive juggernaut that got shut down isn't exactly true either is it? The Suns were an offensive juggernaut that got shut down.
I'm sure Pop already was prepared for that, even with a Cavs win...Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
I think I know bullshit officiating when I see it. It's not everyday your franchise player fouls out of a game because someone from the other team stepped on his foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
And you really need to brush up on your NBA factoids a little bit if you are going to try and talk shit to the team that is about to bust your team's Final's cherry in seven different pieces on Thursday. The East has 2 of the last 3, sure. But why don't you dig a little deeper. The West has 6 of the last 8. Go fuck yourself sideways while you sit on the toilet and gain more NBA wisdom from the SportsCenter reruns you TiVo'd.
Do you think "2 of the last 3" helps your team any when they just cake walked to the Finals? "2 out of 3" is the odds any playoff team in the East had at making the Finals with the Cavs opponents. This Cavs team couldn't win the NCAA Championship, much less beat the Spurs for the NBA Championship. What a fucking joke.
You're probably right. The Spurs will probably go up by 50 at half, then play Beno 1 on 5 against the Cavs the entire second half and only end up winning the game by 6.Quote:
I'm not one for making up excuses, I'm just going to say right now that game 1 is one game, not seven. And in any event, the Spurs will not win any game via blowout, sorry it just isn't going to happen. Cavs came back from down 2-0 so you can't count them out under any circumstances. SA will not win any games in Cleveland in this series so hopefully you win all your home games.
Hey, I'm not making any threats. I was just downtown on saturday and saw how crazy everybody was going over the ECF closeout game outside the arena and how there weren't enough cops and I thought out loud, "Wow, if these people wanted to they could storm the building and there wouldn't be a damn thing anybody could do about it." As things were, I saw a stop sign pulled out of the ground by a mob of people and carried away, as well as a fight or two breaking out between Cav and Pistons fans. Just an observation on my part, there were some pretty rowdy people down there.Quote:
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Oh, come on! It will be Beno, Bonner, Vaughn, Elson and Barry.
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Originally Posted by sandman
I curse A LOT, particularly when talking about the Spurs.
At least you are forewarned. :lol
That lineup could still torch everyone on Cleveland but James. Playing Beno 1 on 5 is much more fair and sportsman like. But since we are the bad boys now I don't see why gangraping them with our third string is such a bad idea.Quote:
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I'm sure the Cleveland Chamber of Commerce is hustling to get this endorsement on their web siteQuote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
On the other hand, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili cannot lead, improvise nor score.Quote:
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Haven't you heard? It's all about :worthy: LeBron now! :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
Dude, you are a joke. First you come up with some weak excuses as to why you lost last season. Second, you can't even admit to yourself that an "inferior" team from the East could actually win it all, when in fact it's happened two of the last three years! Just because you are from the West doesn't mean your team is entitled to anything. And obviously I did dig deeper because in my original post I noted that the West dominated the Post-Jordan Era until the Pistons beat the Lakers, obviously you are an idiot that either can't read or can't judge anything without a heavy bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.T.
Hey, whatever, say what you are going to say and give the Cavs no respect. Nobody else has and they have all eaten their words, boy it must taste pretty good. It just shows how unintelligent you are. You can take your weak floppers Ginobli and Parker, talk all about the greatness of Tim Duncan and how the Cavs don't belong on the same court with them, how the Cavs can't possibly score with them, blah blah blah, I've heard it all before.
Well guess what? The supposedly superior Pistons team had it's players running around saying "WTF? What happened? I thought these guys weren't supposed to be any good? Why are we playing like crap?" What happened? They came out and got punched right in the mouth, that's what happened. And that is what's going to happen throughout this series, no way the Spurs match the intensity of the Cavs and no way they keep up defensively. Lebron is going to ball out in the Finals, anybody you put on him will be a mismatch and Gibson is going to hit his shots as well when your backcourt sucks in to help out. San Antonio is a great team but nobody is in awe and nobody is going to lie down for them, let's see what ya got.
I'm sorry, NO ONE with Sideshow Bob on their team gets to say ONE goddamned word about flopping.
And further, please explain to me how your team will stop penetration from Tony and Manu. I'm serious. Tell me how it will happen, remembering that both Tony and Manu can pass out of a crowd, that Oberto is great with backdoor cuts and that Tony, Manu, Bruce, Finley, Barry can consistently hit from outside (and that we have others, Duncan and Oberto who can reliably hit from mid-range).
Tell me how you will do it instead of continuing to tell me you will. You are Coach Brown. Spell it out.
Lebron in the open floor....ohh...on duncan's head again. Just tell Ginobli to watch his cheap feet. That'll be a quick ticket out of the series for him. :king
Aside: Did I just see (2) Cavs fan misspell "Ginobili" and then call Tony a flopper? I'm pretty sure for every one time that Tony legitimately flops, he gets slammed to the hardwood by defenders in the lane ten times.
Your "2 of the last 3" is the only leg you have to stand on right now, unless you want to include that half of a stump when you said the Cavs play better D than the Spurs :lmao
This is funnier than the time I got really baked and watched the ATHF movie.
Dug deep for that one, did you? Nuggets like that one don't just pop off the front page of ESPN, do they?Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
Fact: only the 04 and 05 Pistons were realistically thought of as Eastern Conference teams that should have won titles, and only one did. Miami got lucky, which is proven by their first round exit this year with essentially the same team.
Just because YOUR team made it out of the East doesn't automatically validate them as a jugernaut, because recent history shows the East as being a weaker conference. I doubt you would be on here making these same arguments if the Cavs were not in the Finals.
Seriously, the Miami Heat does not win that trophy without Wade selling his soul to Stern for a record amount of FTA in the series.
What am I saying the Mavs fucking choked.
Not that I am saying it's going to be an easy series, because I think any finals should be tough just by definition, but your logic is just deplorable.Quote:
Originally Posted by BWJACKETS
You continued to mention how overwhelmingly dominant Lebron is (which I do not argue), but dismiss the same for Duncan. Is Duncan not dominant during this playoff run?
Why would you say the Cavs are playing better defense than the Spurs? True the #s are better in the playoffs, but I would say that a defense will always look better when playing the Wizards (sans Arenas and Butler), Nets (with a hobbling Kidd), and the Pistons vs. playing the Nuggets, Suns and Jazz, all three of which averaged more than 100 ppg in the regular season.
Finally, Mike Brown knows the Spurs playbook, big surprise! Where do you think he got it from? You got that right, the Spurs! So you are saying the Spurs wouldn’t know the Cavs playbook?
If the Cavs win in 5, it would indeed by a shock to the world.
"LUCK?", and who decides what is luck, you KATY? Who said Miami wasn't thought of as a legit title contender? you? I think Miami won and that's all there is too it. Have you ever heard "Act like you've been ther before?" . Probably not much of an athlete either, were you, you weren't lucky? huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by sandman
Miami won, period. :sleep
If you want to know who belongs here and who doesnt just watch tape of the end of the Utah Series...
How much Jumping up and down did you see our players do?
How excited did they look?
I would be really scared if Lebron would have just accepted the Trophy and glumly walked off the floor...
Like Duncan and the Spurs
Here is how they do it. Z/Varajao on Duncan, Gooden helps out. Hughes on Manu, Gibson on Parker. Cleveland's backcourt will be responsible for slowing their initial move to the basket, contesting jumpers and blocking the passing lanes, ripping the ball away when the ball is loose, other than that it will be up to our big men to contest shots and grab rebounds. The fact that Cleveland has a deciding size advantage across the board will give them an edge in rebounds so San Antonio's ability to score without turning the ball over will be at a premium.Quote:
Originally Posted by easjer
And let's not forget, Varajao is the best in the league at drawing offensive fouls so Parker an Ginobili will have to actually think before rushing in, Varajao's footwork in keeping himself between the driving offensive player and the basket will keep these two off-balance.
It isn't rocket science, you get your players to play hard and play smart defensively, Mike Brown has turned this team into a very formidable defensive team. Case in point, just look at how they smothered Chauncey Billups, who if I am not mistaken had the best assist-to-turnover ratio of any PG in the league this season until he ran into the Cavs, where he had way more turnovers than assists. Cleveland has played championship-caliber defense last postseason and this year, last season they didn't have the scorers to compliment Lebron with however that has changed quickly and they haven't lost a beat on the defensive end.
Cavs fan is fooling himself thinking Daniel Gibson is the Pippen to Lebron's Jordan. :lmao
Or that anyone on his team's roster deserves to wear a finals patch other than James.