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Originally Posted by mardigan
look faggot u were the one saying that i didnt watch him enough to kno how he played...and u were saying he didnt need to add weight...i used the bench press as an example how weak this kid is...admit that ur wrong..its ok
hey mardigan.."IT IS WHAT IT IS"...
You probably never even saw him play "faggot"Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
ya i live in texas..bleed texas and never saw him play..u kno what u must stalk me or something...i kno more about basketball than u give me credit for...dude just read all about durant and his weakness and they will all say the exact same thing what i said...so unless thats not true than im wrong..but its true...so deal with it..and just accept it..ur the one seeing what u want to see..im stating facts..its a fact that durant is weak as fuck
So we're supposed to give you props for saying what everyone on this board and in the press and in the world already knew?
Ok, props to you for saying what everyone on this board and in the press and in the world already knew.
For all you people acting like it doesn't matter that he can't bench 185....that's bullshit. Strength is an important part of basketball or any contact sport. For example, as great of a defender Bruce Bowen is, he will have trouble with Lebron James just because there's no way he can match him physically. I know Lebron doesn't bench 185, try about 350. If Durant ever hopes to be a superstar in this league then someone had better show him the weight room.
Nope, you've been saying he won't be all that good if he doesn't bulk up. The scout report says he won't be one of the most complete if he doesn't bulk up a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
And for the record, MOST atheletes in any sport gain 15-20 pounds of muscle during their first full year. It's called having a professional trainer and getting paid to work out.
Durant will be fine. Will probably end up better than KG with a similar game.
Not being able to bench 185 should not stop anyone from considering him #2 or expecting him to have an excellent carreer. If it concerns you that much, I went from benching 150 to benching 210 in about 5 months when I was 22, without working out regularly. Dude's still a pup, so it's not unexpected.
He just couldn't bench 185 at this particular time.
It's really not a big deal for a 6'11" 18 year old.
Bench press isn't as big a deal as you seem to think. Leg strength and back strength are more important in the post, at least if you're playing the post properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
The ONLY thing benchpress might actually matter a great deal on is pushing shots through the defenders hands for the and-1.
Just out of curiousity, how is Lebron benching 350 going to help him on offense against Bruce Bowen? Unless Lebron is committing offensive fouls, that makes no difference.
Have you seen Lebron play? He bullies people all the way to the rim.Quote:
Originally Posted by fyatuk
I remember when David Robinson was in the draft, he benched pressed something like 24 reps of 240, which apparently was impressive for a 7-footer. Hopefully, we remember that David Robinson was not exactly a flaccid figure.
The guys who bench press a ton of weight generally have short arms, because they have to do less work to lift the weight. Very tall man with long arms will lift less weight.
To convert Kevin Durant's numbers to a more useful frame of reference, multiply the weight by 1.2. That would be roughly the equivalent of what a 5'10" man would have to lift to be doing the same quantity of work.
If he's pushing people with his hands, that's an offensive foul. If he's using his body or shoulder, it doesn't involve bench press.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
From what I've seen of him, he's like shaq and uses his shoulder and an outward push with his off forearm (which is barely related to bench press, if at all) and doesn't use his hands too much when he's driving.
Admittedly, I find the Lebron pretty boring to watch most of the time, so I haven't disected his game.
Just saying in general, bench press has little to do with basketball. How many times are you going to be pushing with only your arms straight in front of you?
You know you love it FillmoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Fillmoe
Also, Dwight Howard only benched 225 as a rookie. He now benches 400.
The strength and conditioning program in the pros is amazing. Durant will be fine.
So since Duncan today can't bench 200, the Spurs should waive him?Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
It's not about pushing your arms straight in front of you. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by fyatuk
Bench press is a measure of total upper body strength. It's not only arms but shoulders and back as well. Lebron uses his incredible upper body strength to get to the rim at will. Not to say hes not strong in the lower body too, he's just an athletic freak of nature.
Me>Rookie DwightQuote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
First of all, I find that hard to believe unless I see some proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Secondly, that's the difference in Shaq in his prime and Duncan. Duncan is easily the more skilled player but Shaq was more dominant overall because of his strength. Duncan is a great player but having a little extra strength would only make him that much better.
Not so fast. How long are your arms?Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
Not so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
How much does/did Dwight weigh?
It's not all about the length of your arms, it's more about the length of your arms in proportion to the rest of your body. If someone is 6ft 8 with a 7ft wing span, then they're going to have trouble with bench. Same goes for a 5ft 8 guy with a 6ft wing span.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
thats what 7-8th graders max out on. lmao...Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
What have we learned in this thread?
Maximum physical strength can only be determined and attained by the age of 18.
Lifting weights can turn anyone into Lebron or Shaq.
Exactly.
It's all proportional, you can't make the argument that taller people have a longer distance to push the weight. It's proportional.
Anyone who benches knows when they're maxing out, there's that one spot a certain amount of inches (generally few) above their chest that once they pass, the bar is going up no matter what, even if they still have a bunch to go because of having longer arms.
Wrong physics.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
Work = weight being lifted x length of arms.
The weight of the person has nothing to do with it.