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What cleveland can do to slow down the Spurs:
Here's some things that I think Cleveland can do to slow the Spurs down. The Spurs are a great team, but there are a few things we can do to give them trouble.
Trapped Parker and make him give up the ball early. Also attack him on pick and rolls with our big guards on the high pick and rolls. We rotate very well. Foul him hard when he comes to the middle and force him to become a jump shooter. We have big guards with speed which could give him problems.
Force Bowen to make plays. When he's out on the floor on offense run him off pick and rolls and on defense use his man to double and trap Duncan every chance we get. Bowen has a nice 3 point shot when it's on, but offensively he doesn't scare anybody.
Defend Ginobili with Lebron.
Defend Duncan with Z, Double team him with Bowen's man.
Also, we use some full court presses. Take as much time off of the clock as possible.
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Please give the Spurs the opportunity to play 4 on 3.
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Tony Parker eats full court presses for breakfast.
You eat a full court press for breakfast?
..................no!
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if you leave bowen open enough he will hurt you with the 3. espicially in the playoffs. fact of life.
-Mars
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Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
Tony Parker eats full court presses for breakfast.
You eat a full court press for breakfast?
..................no!
I eat FCP for breakfast, lunch, dinner, AND DESSERT.
-Mars
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Originally Posted by ClingingMars
if leave bowen open enough he will hurt you with the 3. espicially in the playoffs. fact of life.
-Mars
I rather us take that chance, if he beats us he beats us. No one thinks we're gonna get it done anyway so why not? :king
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I would like to see us attack him on the high pick and roll.
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One thing is for sure -- if the Cavs use James to defend either Parker or Ginobili it ensures that he won't be the doubler on Duncan (unless, of course, Mike Brown is suicidal). I think the notions are generally useful strategies, but each has a downside:
Parker's improvement as a jumpshooter and his willingness to rely upon that shot has made him a much, much more difficult player to defend. Plus, if you blitz the pick and roll, you're either conceding giving Duncan single coverage at the rim or you're giving three point shooters uncontested looks.
I don't think any team has ever been successful at forcing Bowen to create offense off the bounce. Bowen has shown some increasing proficiency at getting his shot off the bounce, but mostly, if you're going to leave Bowen alone, he's going to keep shooting that 3 until it goes down. That's also the downside of doubling Duncan using Bowen's man. It would be more problematic for the Spurs if Tim was a reluctant or a bad passer, but he's neither.
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parkers d is underrated
also his j is much better
bowen let open in the corner is deadly
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I would use Pavlovic to double Duncan and I'd use James to defend Ginobili one of one
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
I rather us take that chance, if he beats us he beats us. No one thinks we're gonna get it done anyway so why not? :king
if this happens then spurs in 5 bud ;)
-Mars
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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
One thing is for sure -- if the Cavs use James to defend either Parker or Ginobili it ensures that he won't be the doubler on Duncan (unless, of course, Mike Brown is suicidal). I think the notions are generally useful strategies, but each has a downside:
Parker's improvement as a jumpshooter and his willingness to rely upon that shot has made him a much, much more difficult player to defend. Plus, if you blitz the pick and roll, you're either conceding giving Duncan single coverage at the rim or you're giving three point shooters uncontested looks.
I don't think any team has ever been successful at forcing Bowen to create offense off the bounce. Bowen has shown some increasing proficiency at getting his shot off the bounce, but mostly, if you're going to leave Bowen alone, he's going to keep shooting that 3 until it goes down. That's also the downside of doubling Duncan using Bowen's man. It would be more problematic for the Spurs if Tim was a reluctant or a bad passer, but he's neither.
The Cavs' D will weaken when it has to contend with the best low post player in the game, two threats to drive, and two shooters beyond the arc on both sides of the court.
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I know Bowen's going to knock some shots down but he's not gonna hit a high percentage every game and if he does start to shot them I'd send someone down the court the moment he releases the ball to counter that.
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You guys are seriously under estimating our defense
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Originally Posted by ClingingMars
if this happens then spurs in 5 bud ;)
-Mars
I don't think you guys watch enough Lebron do you? :king
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
You guys are seriously under estimating our defense
and you're underestimating our offense
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like most men facing their last days, prayer is always in option
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You guys are seriously under estimating our defense
You are seriously underestimating our offense.
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Actually I wouldn't mind us also Leaving Z on Duncan and playing zone. I rather see you guys throwing up bombs then getting easy baskets. The purpose of playing defense is limiting the other team to easy baskets.
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Yeah, please leave Bowen open in the corner and let LeBron guard Manu. Bowen isn't much of a three-point shooter when wide open in the quarters and Manu doesn't know how to draw fouls while making his defenders tired.
Great ideas :tu
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Zone against the Spurs?
Single-teaming Duncan?
Even better ideas :tu
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
I know Bowen's going to knock some shots down but he's not gonna hit a high percentage every game and if he does start to shot them I'd send someone down the court the moment he releases the ball to counter that.
You're right that he's not going to hit a high percentage every night, but he's at 46.4% for these playoffs after 16 games, which puts him in the top 10 in 3pt FG% in the playoffs. Finley, by the way is 10th at 46.2%.
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I actually feared the Spurs with Duncan AND Robinson then I don't the present day Spurs and that's not to say they're not great, but I'm implying that I like our chances against your guards with our big guards.
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I actually don't think Bowen can defend Bron' by himself. You guys are gonna have to do a little double teaming yourselves.
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Well the question is also, how are you gonna defend Lebron cause it can be done one on one.
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spurs really do not double ever
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
I actually feared the Spurs with Duncan AND Robinson then I don't the present day Spurs and that's not to say they're not great, but I'm implying that I like our chances against your guards with our big guards.
These Spurs are a very, very different creature than the Twin Towers Spurs. This team is far more dynamic than those teams were -- it's capable of beating its opponents offensively in so many more ways than the Twin Towers teams could (other than maybe 2003, which was the best of both worlds).
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
I actually feared the Spurs with Duncan AND Robinson then I don't the present day Spurs and that's not to say they're not great, but I'm implying that I like our chances against your guards with our big guards.
Spurs have won a title without 37 year old DRob.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
I actually feared the Spurs with Duncan AND Robinson then I don't the present day Spurs and that's not to say they're not great, but I'm implying that I like our chances against your guards with our big guards.
And I like OUR chances with our guards against your BIG guards.
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If they DON'T double team Lebron this series is gonna be long, trust me. Just ask a Pistons fan...
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
Well the question is also, how are you gonna defend Lebron cause it can be done one on one.
Is he going to score 60 a night?
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Lebron is a WHOLE different animal then most fans know....
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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Spurs have won a title without 37 year old DRob.
Although I'd kill to have DRob out there for 10 minutes a game right now.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
If they DON'T double team Lebron this series is gonna be long, trust me. Just ask a Pistons fan...
tell you what bud...you can ask them when thier boat comes in from fishing and the Cavs get on
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That's what the Piston fans said also DfendtheStar
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Lebron won't score 60 a night unless you continue to play him one on one. It WILL be a dunk fest if he's defended one on one.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
Lebron is a WHOLE different animal then most fans know....
Has he bedded 20K women?
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If they DON'T double team Lebron this series is gonna be long, trust me. Just ask a Pistons fan...
pistons, as in the team that flip saunders coaches? he's got 37 wins in the playoffs after 12 seasons. not that the piston players are bad or anything, but flip doesn't do adjustments very well. pistons were supposed to be the cream of the east, but the east is weak. cavs are up and coming, but i don't think they arrived yet.
just the same, you should be proud of your team and keep believing until somebody proves you wrong.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
I actually don't think Bowen can defend Bron' by himself. You guys are gonna have to do a little double teaming yourselves.
You obviously haven't watched much Spurs D - we'll let your best player do whatever he likes while Bruce slowly wears him out - and make sure you don't hurt us in any other way. That's how we beat all three teams this playoffs, staying at home on the complimentary players.
Should be an interesting series.
I just hope that LeBron doesn't get ridiculous calls all series...
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Damn you prego
damn tw, your avatar is a video of what i just did to you :p:
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Let LeBron gets his points. That don't mean a damn thing. Stopping the others from getting theirs is the bigger issue and I believe our guards and bigs are more than up to the task.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
Lebron is a WHOLE different animal then most fans know....
Uh we watch the games too. (if you have league pass). Lebron is all we have to contend with. You have to double Tim, guard Tony on the pick and roll and PRAY help is behind you when he blows by you, and also guard Manu and Pray yet again he doesn't blow by you or step back and drill tres. The Cavs are a good team like Utah... and like Utah they will be great in a couple more years, but as for now...... :ihit Your asses color will match those road jerseys when you roll through South Texas! Sorry, but nothing short of injury will prevent the 4th June parade down the MUDDY WATERS!
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You're not winning this in four or five, get ready for a pounding. We play physical, something you guys haven't seen in this years playoffs...
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That's what the Piston fans said also DfendtheStar
just a little bit of wisdom for you.....Lebron is a great player....the Spurs are a great team. One great PLAYER will never defeat a great TEAM unless that players name is Michael Jordan cause he ass rammed the Cavs by himself if I remember correctly.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
You're not winning this in four or five, get ready for a pounding. We play physical, something you guys haven't seen in this years playoffs...
No your right Denver were a bunch of panzies, the Suds..well thats all i have to say about that and Utah was probably more physical than your team.
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The calls are going to go to the home team just like they have all post season long. When you come to Cleveland we'll be getting the calls so if bowen fouls Lebron, he could end up on the bench really fast. I think we're gonna come close or pull out game 1, watch what I tell you.
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Originally Posted by DfendtheStar
just a little bit of wisdom for you.....Lebron is a great player....the Spurs are a great team. One great PLAYER will never defeat a great TEAM unless that players name is Michael Jordan cause he ass rammed the Cavs by himself if I remember correctly.
Lebron already did when we beat the Pistons.....
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
Utah is undersized....
...and the Nuggets were oversized. With an AI in the backcourt.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
The calls are going to go to the home team just like they have all post season long. When you come to Cleveland we'll be getting the calls so if bowen fouls Lebron, he could end up on the bench really fast. I think we're gonna come close or pull out game 1, watch what I tell you.
How many home games do the Cavs have in the series?
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
Utah is undersized....
If im not mistaken you have a sloppy retard for a center and a costar on the Simpsons as your bigs and thats about it.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
Lebron already did when we beat the Pistons.....
I said GREAT team
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...and the Nuggets were oversized. With an AI in the backcourt.
But they don't play defense like Cleveland does
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But they don't play defense like Cleveland does
But size means so much.
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The Pistons are a great team, remember you guys were in a fight for your lives against them when you won your first championship WITHOUT Robinson. You were one Piston defensive mistake from losing...
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
The Pistons are a great team, remember you guys were in a fight for your lives against them when you won your first championship WITHOUT Robinson. You were one Piston defensive mistake from losing...
...and one Ben Wallace was present.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
The Pistons are a great team, remember you guys were in a fight for your lives against them when you won your first championship WITHOUT Robinson. You were one Piston defensive mistake from losing...
THAT piston team was great...were talking the here and now
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Size doesn't mean anything if you don't have defense and quickness to go with it....
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
The Pistons are a great team, remember you guys were in a fight for your lives against them when you won your first championship WITHOUT Robinson. You were one Piston defensive mistake from losing...
Good gravy. If you don't know the difference between Ben Wallace and Chris Webber, or Larry Brown and Flip Saunders, then this whole thread is a waste of time.
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They've been to the finals more times then you guys have in the last four years, correct me if I'm wrong. 2 of your titles came with D.R., correct?
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
Size doesn't mean anything if you don't have defense and quickness to go with it....
...apparently that doesn't translate well to the offensive end. We'll see how good that defense is against the best low post threat in the game, two top perimeter threats to drive, and one of the best groups of outside shooters in the league. Oh yeah, they're pretty good in transition too.
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The Cavs are an up and coming team...and they will probably take one or two games from the Spurs. But in the end dude, it maybe hard to swallow and put a damper on a promising season, but the Spurs are just the better team. And Im not saying that as a Spurs fan its just black and white.
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Good gravy. If you don't know the difference between Ben Wallace and Chris Webber, or Larry Brown and Flip Saunders, then this whole thread is a waste of time.
O.K., we almost knocked them off WITH Wallace and Webber actually gives them more offense then Wallace did
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
They've been to the finals more times then you guys have in the last four years, correct me if I'm wrong. 2 of your titles came with D.R., correct?
Wrong.
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Our offense is defense...
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
They've been to the finals more times then you guys have in the last four years, correct me if I'm wrong. 2 of your titles came with D.R., correct?
They have not been in the Finals more then us in the last four years no.
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Lest we forget about the Spurs' team defense, which is a tad bit better than the Cavs'...
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
They've been to the finals more times then you guys have in the last four years, correct me if I'm wrong. 2 of your titles came with D.R., correct?
Incorrect we actually have been there 3 to to thier 2
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The Spurs are good, but they are as "GREAT" as people are making them out to be, Lebron is here to serve some humble pie...
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Our offense is defense...
Which is why the Cavs will lose this series.
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How IS Cleveland's transition defense, anyway?
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
They've been to the finals more times then you guys have in the last four years, correct me if I'm wrong. 2 of your titles came with D.R., correct?
Not counting this year, the Spurs have been to the finals 2 our of the last four years. Pistons have also been there twice, never since Brown left.
Nobody's been there more.
Comparing this year's Pistons to the 2004-2005 Pistons is utter nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
The Spurs are good, but they are as "GREAT" as people are making them out to be, Lebron is here to serve some humble pie...
Top 4 in offense and defense. If only they were 24th...
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Originally Posted by DfendtheStar
Incorrect we actually have been there 3 to to thier 2
But how many times WITHOUT the admiral?
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How IS Cleveland's transition defense, anyway?
We have a winner.
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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Top 4 in offense and defense. If only they were 24th...
I no longer pay attention to stats because they can be decieving for instances. We had a GREAT record against the Western conference, but then again they don't play defense as a whole conference. YOu guys are full of offensive teams...
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How IS Cleveland's transition defense, anyway?
It's excellent, as long as you transition slowly.
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But how many times WITHOUT the admiral?
This will be Twice without David.....your point is_____________
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We have a winner.
How many titles have you guys won WITHOUT the admiral?
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
I no longer pay attention to stats because they can be decieving for instances. We had a GREAT record against the Western conference, but then again they don't play defense as a whole conference. YOu guys are full of offensive teams...
Right, which makes the Spurs' defensive play all the more impressive.
If stats don't matter, then stop trumpeting the Cavs as a great defensive unit.
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So you only won ONE title without David? You're not as almight as you claim to be
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
How many titles have you guys won WITHOUT the admiral?
ok lets try this again
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How many titles have you guys won WITHOUT the admiral?
One more than the Cavs. Soon to be two.
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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Right, which makes the Spurs' defensive play all the more impressive.
If stats don't matter, then stop trumpeting the Cavs as a great defensive unit.
But we are what we are, we're gonna beat the Spurs up just watch what I tell you
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O.K., we almost knocked them off WITH Wallace and Webber actually gives them more offense then Wallace did
Wallace was the defensive anchor and that is what they needed this year...along with a better coach. You may have still won with Wallace there but, I am pretty sure LeBron would not have had a constant freeway to the rim if Wallace was in the paint, it would have been much harder for Bron.
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But we are what we are, we're gonna beat the Spurs up just watch what I tell you
A poor executing offensive team with a good halfcourt defense. Maybe they win two games.
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well i cant WATCH what you tell me but YOU can WATCH the SPURS send the CAVS fishing.
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someone's counting their chickens before they hatch. Ask the Piston fans how they feel about that??? Or Dallas for that matter?
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
someone's counting their chickens before they hatch. Ask the Piston fans how they feel about that??? Or Dallas for that matter?
Or the Suns...
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We'll see, don't disappear on me my friend cause I'm gonna come looking for you. You will respect my team before this is all said and done...
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The '05 Detroit Pistons, I'd expect, were far tougher on defense than the '07 Cleveland Cavaliers.
I wonder how they stack up on offense. LeBron is a multiple threat (playmaker, shotmaker), but Rip was pretty tough. I feared Kobe Bryant, with his supporting cast, much more.
And I'd say the '07 Spurs is better offensively than the '05 Spurs. Ginobili isn't quite at the same level, but Parker is better, and Finley is in the lineup instead of Barry.
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You all have something in common....You forget that these so called experts can measure talent, but they can't measure heart which is why they miss on many predictions...
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KMG, i can understand why you feel this way. Your team is coming off an emotional win over your arch nemesis and you have finally got over that hill. Only to find Mt Everest on the other side of that hill during the most severe blizzard Mother Nature has conjured up in the 75 million year history of the earth
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Originally Posted by Mr. Body
The '05 Detroit Pistons, I'd expect, were far tougher on defense than the '07 Cleveland Cavaliers.
I wonder how they stack up on offense. LeBron is a multiple threat (playmaker, shotmaker), but Rip was pretty tough. I feared Kobe Bryant, with his supporting cast, much more.
And I'd say the '07 Spurs is better offensively than the '05 Spurs. Ginobili isn't quite at the same level, but Parker is better, and Finley is in the lineup instead of Barry.
Spurs were 10th best in FG% in 2004-05. In 2006-07 they were 2nd...
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We actually knew that "Cleveland could compete with them even though others said otherwise. It was emotional and all that, but unless you've grown up in a city with Lebron and have had the pleasure of following him in highschool and the pro's then you'd understand. He ACTUALLY has this team believing that they DESERVE to be here.
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Originally Posted by Kiss ma Grits
You all have something in common....You forget that these so called experts can measure talent, but they can't measure heart which is why they miss on many predictions...
How touching.
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Damn, I forgot the Spurs lacked all heart and drive.
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Lebron is MJ with Magic Johnson floor vision. He's taken a 17 win franchise to the finals in FOUR YEARS BY HIMSELF. The guy has the spirit of a champion...