damn it give it to tim.
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damn it give it to tim.
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Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan
This is why I hate MVP discussions. Spurs don't have (IMO) a true MVP.
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Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan
As I said
Spurs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lebron
It's still Tim. By a hair. Even though he has none at the moment.
The more this series will last the more likely Duncan will win the finals MVP because he is such a steady performer. I doubt that Parker can put up such numbers through 7 games.
I'm impressed by the way Parker played in game 2, I really thought that the Cavs could limit his production by making adjustments but he just ran circles around them :downspin:
At this point you would HAVE to say it is TP. Even Timmy's near triple-double last night was overshadowed by Tony. Timmy's D in this series has been insane, and Tony hasn't been too much of a defensive presence - because he hasn't had to.
However, if you remember 2005, when the series left SA everyone was already annointing Manu the MVP (and in the end he lost by 1 vote, if I recall).
I just wonder if the old-school voters will still give it to Mr Reliable over Tony? Will they factor in his great play on D as well?
If things go as they are, Tony wins. If Tony gets his numbers but Tim has ONE game with a monster 35-16-8-5 type night, he will win regardless.
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Originally Posted by CaptMike
Tony has been pretty amazing offensively thus far, but it's worth noting that his +/- have been worse than one might expect both nights. This signals that his defense hasn't been all that great. He's probably lost a bit of that focus since he doesn't have to guard anyone great like he's had to for the first three rounds. But as far as the MVP voting goes, the voters will probably punish Tony for playing so well against a team that cannot match-up with him in any way. Tim is actually doing his damage against some talented people, plus the rebounding and defense, so he'll get the nod.
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Originally Posted by inagra
Give it to TD damn it!
Give it to TP ... stop giving them to TD .. .he doesn't need it anymore... the little french and/or Manu
Dude. I can't believe some people are considering TP for MVP. Not that he hasn't played good. He has been just fenomenal but take it for granted it will be TD with the MVP. Tony is taking advantage of the situation where the Cavs don't have anyone to match with him so he is having field days at work every night. I'm not sure how long he will be able to do this. He tends to lose it when not at home or when his shots don't fall in.
Let's break this down a little bit:
1. Potential TP's matchups
1. LeBrick - They don't have the luxury to put him on TP more than 15- 20 minutes a game without affecting his offense. He might be the only one fit enough to be in front of TP for a good deal of the game
2. Larry - He's been a non-factor the entire playoff runs due to injury. He had 0 pts on 0-5 last night playing on 1 leg. It's almost embarrasing. Talk about the petrified puppet story.
3. Snow - he doesn't have the quickness to be in front of him. Period.
4. Titties - Not really the defensive player we think of. He is young and maybe quick but without being an started and playing big big minutes you can't think of being a major contribution on stopping parker.
2. Shooting
It is clear Parker shots are falling down but I think it has a lot to do with 2 things: Pop asked of him exactly that and secondly he is not being covered the right way.
3. Paint
The Cavs bigs can't stop anyone let alone Parker. There's something wrong with Brown's strategy in containing parker at the paint. If you know your guards won't be able to stop him, you need to pack the paint area with bigs and let the perimeter shooters beat you. Right now everybody beats the cavs, inside and out. He needs to pick his poison and let Barry beat them. But if he doesn't stop Parker from taking layups anytime he wants then this is a no-brainer.
So these are major factors. This has been the easiest series by far for parker because they don't have a good guard they can sacrifice on parker.
This also speaks tons about how good the spurs are where they can have 1 single player (forward) playing defence the entire game without worrying about having numbers in the stat sheet. The other 4 beat you alone on offense. A neat oily machine.
Conclusion: too early to count Parker as MVP and I don't think he would get it anyway regardless of how great he can play. I don't think he will be able to repeat what he has done in cleveland either. Not to that degree at least.
TP is the mvp actually.Look the votes on nba.com :clap
Scout’s Take: Game 2
Posted Jun 12 2007 12:03AM
Parker's MVP Play
"I think Parker is so good, but, if you put another real good point guard in that situation, they’re going to excel as well because of the fact that, No. 1, the guy setting the screen is a perennial All-Star in Duncan. So you’re worried about him. He knows how to make himself open whether he’s rolling or popping. The other thing is when you put all those shooters on the floor spotting up, if your help defenders aren’t as ready to help or aren’t as readily available to help because they worry about their guy and want to stick to their guy a little longer, it makes that lane that much more open. The fact that matters is Tony Parker can beat people off the dribble and that’s exactly what he’s doing. He’s beating people off the dribble, the help is late, he’s able to finish at the rim and you can also see that he’s finishing with contact very well, which helps him. And then, if the help is there, he kicks it out to the corner for three point shots for Bruce Bowen, Ginobili, Brent Barry and Robert Horry. They’ve just got so many shooters. I definitely think at this point he’s the MVP of the series. I think you can very easily put Duncan in there when you look at his numbers, but Parker is what’s making them go. And Cleveland has no answer. I think you saw that last night, with the adjustment they tried to make, which was they put the defensive Eric Snow in the game. He did do a good job defensively, but offensively – and I love Eric Snow – you’re basically playing four on five, offensively, because he’ll pass up open shots and San Antonio really doesn’t have to guard him. So it’s kind of like pick your poison if you’re Cleveland: Do you really struggle at the offensive end, which you’ve been doing anyway, and put Eric Snow in the game to try and help defensively? Or – Larry Hughes can’t keep him in front, Daniel Gibson can’t keep him in front – those guys give them a little more offense, but then Parker’s living in the lane all night long."
Regarding TP's shooting % in this year's playoffs:
Last four road games, 39.1 percent (25-of-64)
Last four home games, 57.1 percent (40-of-70)
Let's hold off on Finals MVP discussions till he brings it on the road in this series.
well said.Those road games will eather make it or brake it for both teams.If the cavs even or start leadind the series it will be so mentally important for them that could problably start the series all over again from ground zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlord23
But if the spurs can steal at least 1 game out of those 3 in cleveland,it will be just a matter of finish it at home in game 6.
and tp hits the big three not horry
I'm thinking Parker has it in the bag right now. He, Bruce and Barry were the only bright spots of this game. He has shown up big this year and wants some hardware on the fireplace.
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Originally Posted by TPnumber1
Fuck that shit. There fans also said that Cavs will be the champs. :dizzy
That would be funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
And do the chinese vote for yao?
Was just saying I'm not into the tp vs manu thing, & I'd vote for tim.