This summer if you could?
trading for Oden makes Spurs a dynasty most likely for 10+ years. With Duncan the Spurs will remain this good for at least 3 to 4.
Any thoughts?
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This summer if you could?
trading for Oden makes Spurs a dynasty most likely for 10+ years. With Duncan the Spurs will remain this good for at least 3 to 4.
Any thoughts?
I don't believe in dumping a franchise player for someone who is good "right now".
Loyalty. TD stayed here when he could have left. So no.
that being said..hell no...not for someone who hasn't stepped foot on an NBA floor.
I love Oden's game and his potential. He'll be Dikembe Mutombo on one end, Artis Gilmore on the other.
But my answer to your question is "no way in hell".
Your just saying that because you know saying something like that about Duncan would seem "wrong" when infact if you really thought about it.. trading for Oden would be the best thing that could happen. Anyways that being said no one in the right mind would trade Oden anyways so who cares.
This is good. I needed that. Thanks!
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you guys might not, but Holt would :smokin
Uhhhhh... let me think........... HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes
I'll bet he wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuGGeTs-FaN
i rather have a chance of winning next 3-4 yrs till duncan is gone than go with ODEN who wont be able to come in and make us win now.
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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
Oden is NOT a proven NBA player - Duncan certainly is. And then there is the loyalty issue - Duncan will retire a Spur just like Robinson.
Yes because he's such a MOVER...and spoken like a true unknowledgeable moron, err Nuggets fan--it's not his decision. :bangQuote:
Originally Posted by NuGGeTs-FaN
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Originally Posted by mbass
Oden will not have half the success that Tim Duncan has had.
So--fuck no!
I don't think Portland would either. Only player they'd probably trade Oden for is LeBron. Longterm evaluation would make it a very unprudent business move on the part of Portland to make such a trade.
No way.
No.
Trade the best bigman in the game who took us to 4 finals for a 40-year old unproven rookie?
Greg Oden is an unproven. Tim Duncan is so economical with his game efforts that there is another and even 2 more serious Finals runs left on his warranty.
Just for fun here are some quotes from back in the days.......
1999 - Coach Popovich:
After watching Tim Duncan lead the San Antonio Spurs to their first NBA championship in 1999, coach Gregg Popovich, aiming for perspective, simply said of his then-23-year-old superstar, "He's probably a little young to be a legend yet."
2003 - Coach Popovich:
"He's a very mature individual who understands what needs to be done," Popovich said after Wednesday's 101-95 win. "It's just who he is. It's what makes him so special."
2003 - Duncan after game 4 loss to Nets:
(Coming off Game 4, the Spurs' only loss in the series, in which he scored 15 points and was 3-for-12 from the free throw line, Duncan was determined not to be what he called "a hindrance" again.)
"I knew I had to put together a better performance," he said. "I didn't want to have one of those (games) again. I wanted to put together a better game, give our team a chance to win. I just don't like playing bad games. And when I do, I love to have a bounce-back game and put a performance together. ... You get in situations where you are in a bad game, and I am as guilty as anyone (of) getting down on myself and not playing through the entire game. I do need to get better at that, but at the same time I am what I am."
(The Spurs responded with a big quarter, building a 13-point lead, and never trailed after that.)
2003 - Steve Nash:
"His ultimate goal is always winning," Suns point guard and league MVP Steve Nash said. "There's never any ulterior motive, and I think that's very admirable in our business today."
No.
Uh........No.
There are people three or four years ago who would have pulled the trigger on a Tim for Amare deal. You just never know when someone's going to turn out to be a total dumbass, have a damaged knee, or both.
Hah! Sure and also I'd Trade Duncan for a million cajillion dollars.
Hell no.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Game
Fucking.
Way.
I wouldn't trade Duncan for Kobe in his prime or Steve Nash in his prime. Tim Duncan is the ultimate winner and a true professional. I don't think Oden will ever compare to Duncan.
Oh, I think he could. It's just a matter of will he?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBeezie
The thing about Tim is that he's an NBA caliber athlete, and yet at the same time, I'm convinced he's probably MENSA class, intelligence wise. He knows what the other team is trying to do defensively on almost every play, and he knows it in about half a second, and he makes the right play, either pass or score.
Why are the Spurs worried about 2011, again?
The Spurs are 3 wins away from their 3rd championship in the last 5 years with the core of TD/TP/Manu and they should blow it up for someone who might be really good, someday? Do Spurs fans not realize what they have?
Before I forget, some of you need to lookup TD's birth date again. He's 31, not 35. His game is not based primarily on athleticism but rather positioning, judgment, and pace. He should be able to play at a high level for the next 5 years. That's half a decade of a proven championship player and system. I'm not even sure why I have responded to this thread other than for the fact that I am shocked that I would even see such a stupid hypothetical posed in this forum by a Spurs fan.
no way !
Is this forreal?
Hell NO.
Fuck no, Oden might turn out to be a bust, we KNOW that Duncan is a HOF
also, he's the face of the Spurs franchise...you don't just trade someone like that away.
-Mars
And let's not forget, against a guy (Oden) that hasn't played a game in the NBA yet. This thread is worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
no
I would not trade Duncan. Let's see how good Oden actually becomes in the NBA.
This post was supposed to be a joke, right?
Not It was designed to get something new to be disussed. To take the focus off the finals for a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurOutofTownFan
I think It's a fair question. Obviously Duncan will never be traded but Oden could be the next big thing for 10-15 years. As Lakers found out having success is good but you should always look towards the future.
No
Coming from a tried and true Cavs fan, you must be joking. The General Manager that approves a deal of Duncan for Oden should be made to read Mars threads for eternity. That would be a bad deal for SA. Duncan is the best there ever was. Oden, although talented, is still unproven. Duncan still has about 4 good years left.
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Originally Posted by Cavaliers Rule
Now you can't go a post without insulting me?
-Mars
The Spurs wouldn't win a title with Oden, not a chance. By the time he gets to be good in this league, Manu will be old, Bruce, Finley, Horry, all possibly retired. And thats IF, ... IF Oden establishes himself as a great player in the NBA. IF he does, it'll definitely take a few seasons. And he will NEVER be as good as Tim Duncan.
-ALVAREZ
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Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
-Mars
It's not a fair question, it's a stupid thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Game
You want to trade a proven commodity (best PF of all time) for someone who for all we know could turn into the next Kwame Brown.
Fuck no.
If were removing morality from the equation still no because he's unproven. Maybe Dwite though if were talking from a strictly business standpoint.
Anyone who would trade Duncan for Oden is a worthless idiot and should give back their Spurs Fan Club cards. You would throw away 4 championships for a hyped up rookie. In the words of Red Forman, "Dumbass!"
Come to think about it, Oden does seem like he really would be a San Antonio kind of guy, unselfish and likes to stay out of the spotlight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its already over
Only a moron would trade duncan for oden. By the way I am more convinced that Durant will turn out better than oden.
Trade Duncan for Oden, followed by Ginobili and Parker for Kobe.
Udrih
Bryant
Finley
Oberto
Oden
Would you trade a house for a ham sandwich?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Game
What the hell is up with all of these stupid threads the last couple of days?
Yeah, let's trade our foundation for a guy who hasn't even played in an NBA game yet!
I can only hope this is a joke:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54087Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Game
Then again, this dumbass may actually believe it.
Why do some of you get so mad at this?
The OP isn't RC Buford, nor is he Peter Holt. He's just a sap like us putting something out there.
I definitely wouldn't do that trade, but jeez. Calm down.
BTW, Oden is going to just dominate the league, especially on defense. He may not be as good as Duncan, but you can still win two championships and an MVP without being as good as Duncan. No shame in that.
Trick question? no.
NO :p:
Dynasty the man has not played a game yet. Remember the can't miss Michael Olowokandi.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Game
That team is terrible, worse than the current Lakers.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurs1990
How the fuck do you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by SRJ
Sure, players can win championships without being as good as Duncan, but not young players who have to carry a team. Oden, a young player, will not be at his prime for a while, and during that while, who knows where Manu and Tony will be...Manu will be older, Finley, Horry, Bruce, Oberto, Barry...practically the whole Spurs roster will be retired.
Not a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Game
Oden will be the Ryan Leaf of the NBA. All hype, not a chance of success. Kevin Durant is this year's Real Deal.
i want to see oden for 2 years first, then i will tell you that
That's part of the risk in deciding, you don't have that luxury in the real world.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnkleBreaker21
It's not worth trading the greatest PF of all time for a potentially good NBA starting center.
:lol
Hell No, Why would you trade someone who is unproven for the best PF of All time?
In two years he'll be on his second team. In three years, he'll be on his third.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnkleBreaker21
Nope.
http://i16.tinypic.com/4pyu9uv.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Game
I actually think this is a legitimate question. Do you trade possibly the best player in the NBA at the top of his game with likely 3-5 more years at the top before serious decline for a player who has the potential to do the same but over a 10-12 year period.
As someone has said before, with the current Spurs team, NO, because the team has been built around Duncan's specific skills and qualities. If the Spurs FO is willing to rebuild the team around Oden, maybe.
Essentially it comes down to proven quality and being a top 4 team over the next 3-5 years with the chance to win a couple more championships versus the potential to be a contender for the next 10-12 years.
I would always go for the proven product and as the Spurs organization seems to be rational and conservative, I think they would do the same thing too.
No way you trade a known asset (best asset) for a newbie who is unproven in the league. To explain this, I simply refer y'all to the history of tall players who have been drafted into the NBA and never worked out at all. Some of them were on our Sonics team. Some were elsewhere. There are a lot of them. Being a top draft pick in pro sports does not mean the player will perform at the top of the heap or even survive two seasons, or survive without a long history of injuries. Duncan has no history of "one after the other" injuries, and that by itself makes him worth keeping until he retires.
One pro player who comes to mind who was a top draft pick who did not work out is my most hated player in the NFL, drafted by my Seahawks: Brian Bosworth!!!!!
We would not trade Oden for Duncan. Maybe LeBron, but it's debatable whether we would do that deal too.
Yeah, loyalty is a big factor here. I wouldn't trade Timmy for Lebron 3 years from on the loyalty factor alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZStomp
Allow me to rephrase...
FUCK NO.
At this point in time, to save all Blazers fans from Bowie 2.0, I will trade Beno Udrih our star point guard for Greg 'I've got a bad knee' Oden.
Oden is not even that damn good. He's just big and all GM's jump on the "next" big man bandwagon. To me, he's slow, gets tired easily and stays in foul trouble. I don't think he'll even be that effective on D. He's a mid-level starting center at best. It won't be much shot blocking this year like he did in college where he's a monstrisity on the court. The Blazers should've taken Durant.
I wouldn't trade Duncan for anybody even if it would make the Spurs better in the long run. You don't trade your franchise player that's a proven winner. Even if Greg Oden will play in the league for another 15 years and Duncan only 4-6 years. Duncan has given the city of San Antonio so much that even the thought of trading him is an insult to him and what he has accomplished.
I would rather see the Spurs down for a few seasons after Duncan retires then to trade him in his last seasons for a "future" star. Like the Knicks did to Patrick Ewing, that was disrespectfull by the Knicks.
The Knicks did this to Ewing? I always thought he retired after their run in 99.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gummi
And there was a report that the Blazers turned down the #1 pick for Melo :drunk
I dont believe it was true at all but if it was, then the Blazers management must be kicking themselves for the offers they refused lol
Oden is a good kid and this sucks for him but he is overhyped anyway
If i was Portland I'd still turn down Oden for Melo.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuGGeTs-FaN
Ummmmm...the 2003 series against the Nets went 6 games...they also lost Game 2...this loss put the series at 2-2 and there were a few ledge-jumpers out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clutch20
and thats why your not a GM. Portland will be a lottery team for the next few years with or without Oden.......Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
... and Nuggets will never be a real contender with Melo as the franchise player. Portland has dreams with Oden. Denver has illusions with Melo.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuGGeTs-FaN
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Originally Posted by picnroll
Naw man, Melo will be really good in a couple years and a perrennial MVP candidate. Give him a couple complimentary players and a couple scorers and he's set to make a championship run.
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Originally Posted by picnroll
:drunk The only thing they are dreaming about is Durant.......
Your disillusioned if you think Oden will ever have the same career as Melo. I feel sorry for Oden coz people overhyped him beyond a joke. He will never fulfill peoples expectations coz they were unrealistic to begin.
Oden is 19 and has fucked up cartiledge in his knee. He won't last at a high level of performance.
Real franchise players, not fugazzi franchise players, are two way players. Does Melo vaguely, remotely, in your wildest dreams remind you of a two way player?Quote:
Originally Posted by NuGGeTs-FaN
No.
Lebron is to Jordan as Melo is to Dominique.
Last I checked, He never won a title.
Don't give me this rubbish about a supporting cast, he's got/had one. He's just not going to get it done.
What are you talking abt? AI, Camby, Nene not good enough? Do u want Kobe too?Quote:
Originally Posted by phxspurfan
Oden was never going to be more than a 15 and 12 type guy anyway. His offensive game is sort of limited, he will most likely be like a Dikembe Mutumbo with a little less defense and slightly better offense.
Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha...NO!
That's really all they have. A great starting lineup won't get you anywhere unless you have some reliable bench players to help with the perimeter D and knock down critical shots. Give the Nuggs some vets(guys like Finley, Barry, Bowen, etc) and they'd be a rich man's Phoenix S0ns. That's definately enough to challenge for a title.Quote:
Originally Posted by timmy21_4rings
No way do you definately trade Duncan for Oden. I can easily see Duncan still being better than Oden for years to come, even after he's on the downside of his career. I see Oden being nothing more than a 15 and 12 kind of guy, but with pretty good defense somewhere like 2-3 blocks per game. Nothing too special, especially not worth being a traitor to the guy that made your franchise what it is.
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Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
How sure is everyone that he is even 19? My guess is that in the end, it will be known that he had a false birth certificate.
Love your sig. I'd hit it...er, them...er...never mind. :smokinQuote:
Originally Posted by AnkleBreaker21
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Originally Posted by tlongII
:lol at OP
:lol at tlong
I ran across this thread in a google search and it was too good not to bump
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Originally Posted by The_Game
Oden is among the worst #1 picks of all time...If you had asked about Durant, that would actually make sense. And the answer would still be a definitive no.
:lmao Great bump
Maybe three years from now!
Honestly the trailblazers medical staff is the problem in my mind far more than the guys evaluating talent that got them Roy, Oden and Aldridge. That said I hope in the future that Oden can rehab himself into a halfway decent NBA career, though he won't ever fulfill number 1 overall potential.