email to Mark Kiszla

spurtime... thank you for putting this worthless asshole in his place. Hopefully his life just got a little less worth living. :lol

I agree with AHF that writing to Kizla (or any other sportswriter, for that matter) isn't going to create a change of opinion and only serves to reinforce that someone is reading his drivel. I mentioned in another thread that I thought it would be a good idea for someone to e-mail Mike Freeman's piece to Kizla, just to show him that his fellow media members are specifically calling him out for being a hypocrite when it comes to the Spurs. But I also don't think that it's terribly likely that such criticism is going to bring about any changes in what Kizla writes or says he thinks.

It might be theraputic at some level, and I suppose that has value, but it won't change anything beyond your own state of mind, I think.

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Originally Posted by spurtime

Again...Go fuck yourself, repeatedly. Do you think you're actually accomplishing anything right now other than making yourself look like an asshole, Mr. Hypocrisy?

I'm not the one who decided to insult a fellow Spurs fan and act like an Internet tough guy. You're a dick...live with it.

Your advice is falling on deaf ears because I don't like you as a direct result of how much of an jerk you are. I'm sure you here that in real life all the time so once more on the Internet is probably just gravy.

After we get done with this conversation please never address me again.

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Who's insulting a fellow Spurs fan again? I guess 'go fuck yourself is a term of endearment.'

I don't have to insult you, Kiszla's already got your panties in a bunch, or maybe more appropriately thrown some sand in your vagina.

Love the insults about real life. Maybe when you graduate high school one day you'll realize how much of a dumbass you are in worrying about what some hack reporter a couple of thousand miles away thinks about your team.

My advice to you is to find a hobby or two, because if you're getting that pissed off about Kiszla's articles you obviously have nothing else to look forward to in your life other than living vicariously through the Spurs.

You don't like me because of how much of a jerk I am? I'm not the one emailing reporters because they didn't worship my basketball team with such intelligent, well thought out responses to their columns as 'how does it feel to talk out your ass.'

Grow the fuck up and quit insulting Spurs fans in general with your pissant little email replies to beat reporters of teams that the Spurs already smoked in the playoffs.

i love it when ahf gets sand in his vagina. he does have a point.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I mentioned in another thread that I thought it would be a good idea for someone to e-mail Mike Freeman's piece to Kizla, just to show him that his fellow media members are specifically calling him out for being a hypocrite when it comes to the Spurs.

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Which I did, with no response so far.

-Mars

Tell you what spurstime, if you don't want to listen to what I have to say, here's a few more folks in agreement:

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Originally Posted by exstatic

All you're doing is letting them know that a) you read the column and b) they pushed your buttons.

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Originally Posted by T Park

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Im shocked people actually take these guys this seriously....

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

I think Kizsla will be getting a national gig soon, thanks in no small part to us.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I agree with AHF that writing to Kizla (or any other sportswriter, for that matter) isn't going to create a change of opinion and only serves to reinforce that someone is reading his drivel. I mentioned in another thread that I thought it would be a good idea for someone to e-mail Mike Freeman's piece to Kizla, just to show him that his fellow media members are specifically calling him out for being a hypocrite when it comes to the Spurs. But I also don't think that it's terribly likely that such criticism is going to bring about any changes in what Kizla writes or says he thinks.

It might be theraputic at some level, and I suppose that has value, but it won't change anything beyond your own state of mind, I think.

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Looks like you've got a few more people to insult....

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I agree with AHF that writing to Kizla (or any other sportswriter, for that matter) isn't going to create a change of opinion and only serves to reinforce that someone is reading his drivel. I mentioned in another thread that I thought it would be a good idea for someone to e-mail Mike Freeman's piece to Kizla, just to show him that his fellow media members are specifically calling him out for being a hypocrite when it comes to the Spurs. But I also don't think that it's terribly likely that such criticism is going to bring about any changes in what Kizla writes or says he thinks.

It might be theraputic at some level, and I suppose that has value, but it won't change anything beyond your own state of mind, I think.

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I specifically said I was doing it because I felt like reminding him he was wrong, not change his views.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Tell you what spurstime, if you don't want to listen to what I have to say, here's a few more folks in agreement:


Looks like you've got a few more people to insult....

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I never responded to them because they articulated their views without insulting me in the process, you stupid jerkoff. I actually met exstatic at the GTG for the Spurs/Mavs game late in the season and had no problem with him disagreeing with my having sent the email.

You're a typical Internet blowhard. I didn't feel the need to comment on anything regarding your personal life other than what was readily apparent from your writing. Namely, that you're obviously an asshole.

I have a successful law practice and a beautiful family. I'll put up my accomplishments against yours any day of the week.

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Originally Posted by spurtime

I never responded to them because they articulated their views without insulting me in the process, you stupid jerkoff. I actually met exstatic at the GTG for the Spurs/Mavs game late in the season and had no problem with him disagreeing with my having sent the email.

You're a typical Internet blowhard. I didn't feel the need to comment on anything regarding your personal life other than what was readily apparent from your writing. Namely, that you're obviously an asshole.

I have a successful law practice and a beautiful family. I'll put up my accomplishments against yours any day of the week.

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Go figure, my impression of the majority of those involved in the legal profession is that they're assholes...

I'm sorry, I have a hard time buying that someone who has a successful law practice responds to articles like Kizla by starting off an email about him talking out his ass, and responds to criticism of their attempt at bragging/showing off their insulting a sportswriter like that with a response of 'go fuck yourself.'

And now I'm a stupid jerkoff? And you're the one trying to call me about as internet tough guy/asshole? Look in the fucking mirror, douche.

I'm actually a pretty cool guy in real life. I just get sick and fucking tired of coming here and seeing idiots like you post about how big and bad they are because they got their panties in a bunch over what some NBA beat writer covering a team that can't beat the Spurs had to say about the Spurs.

Replying to writers in any form or fashion only justifies their paycheck for another week to their bosses, and I'm sorry this is lost on someone who runs a 'successful law practice, yet calls anyone who disagrees with them an asshole, jerkoff, or starts off correspondence with them stating that they have their head up their ass'.

So what happens when a judge calls you out in the courtroom? Do you tell him to go fuck himself too? I bet that works out well...

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Go figure, my impression of the majority of those involved in the legal profession is that they're assholes...

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So you like to stereotype people as well. More indication you're an asshole.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

I'm sorry, I have a hard time buying that someone who has a successful law practice responds to articles like Kizla by starting off an email about him talking out his ass, and responds to criticism of their attempt at bragging/showing off their insulting a sportswriter like that with a response of 'go fuck yourself.'

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I only responded to you that way because you deserved it. Everyone else's criticism was acceptable because it didn't go overboard like yours.

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I'm actually a pretty cool guy in real life.

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Sure you are...

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

I just get sick and fucking tired of coming here and seeing idiots like you post about how big and bad they are because they got their panties in a bunch over what some NBA beat writer covering a team that can't beat the Spurs had to say about the Spurs.

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If you don't like it, follow your own advice and ignore it, genius.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

So what happens when a judge calls you out in the courtroom? Do you tell him to go fuck himself too? I bet that works out well...

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Um...You're not a judge, nor are you a person deserving of my respect.

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Originally Posted by spurtime

I never responded to them because they articulated their views without insulting me in the process, you stupid jerkoff. I actually met exstatic at the GTG for the Spurs/Mavs game late in the season and had no problem with him disagreeing with my having sent the email.

You're a typical Internet blowhard. I didn't feel the need to comment on anything regarding your personal life other than what was readily apparent from your writing. Namely, that you're obviously an asshole.

I have a successful law practice and a beautiful family. I'll put up my accomplishments against yours any day of the week.

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wow. I hope someday I share a courtroom with you, because if I can bait you half as much a that schmuck in Denver did, your ass is mine.

Don't you see that by sending him email - be it good, bad, or indifferent - you're giving him the ammo he needs to justify his continued employment to his editor? Think about this. Electronic ad rates are set based on hits, not if what was read was a hatchet job or not. By showing you are paying attention to what he is writing, you just give him that much more job security.

spurtime - I understand what you're trying to do, but it's futile. In the world of the media, the only "wrong" column is the one that generates no churn...indignant emails and extra page hits when the incensed pass it along to their friends. What you're doing actually feeds and encourages this kind of yellow "journalism".

Jizzla doesn't care that you hate his column and it's contents. He cares that you hit the page, and that absolute nugget of gold: you replied with an email. That shit is precious to their advertisers.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Austin

wow. I hope someday I share a courtroom with you, because if I can bait you half as much a that schmuck in Denver did, your ass is mine.

Don't you see that by sending him email - be it good, bad, or indifferent - you're giving him the ammo he needs to justify his continued employment to his editor? Think about this. Electronic ad rates are set based on hits, not if what was read was a hatchet job or not. By showing you are paying attention to what he is writing, you just give him that much more job security.

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Mark, let me say that I don't want to come off as getting in a pissing match with you because I really would like to discuss this in a reasonable manner with someone who seems capable of it.

If my lone email did everything you suggest then I must have quite an impact as a writer. Which I really doubt.

So I've heard 2 schools of thought...#1 there's no reason to send the email because it won't change his views and is thus a waste of time, and #2 I am actually empowering him by doing it.

As for the 1st one...I really don't care whether I changed his views. I just enjoyed the opportunity to remind him he was wrong, which he still seems unwilling to accept, and I find that funny, and worth talking about.

As for the 2nd one...I'm just one person. I doubt an editor is going to take a set of emails from one person in SA and take it as anything more than one person pointing out that one of his writers was wrong.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

spurtime - I understand what you're trying to do, but it's futile. In the world of the media, the only "wrong" column is the one that generates no churn...indignant emails and extra page hits when the incensed pass it along to their friends. What you're doing actually feeds and encourages this kind of yellow "journalism".

Jizzla doesn't care that you hate his column and it's contents. He cares that you hit the page, and that absolute nugget of gold: you replied with an email. That shit is precious to their advertisers.

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My one hit (which didn't click on any of the advertising) vs. the credibility of one of their writers. Hmmm...I'll admit that I'm not up to speed on the latest publicity norms in journalism, but it seems like common sense that a writer who is often wrong puts into question the credibility of the newspaper they write for. I notice that Jemele Hill sees little espn.com space ever since she wrote that horrible piece comparing Kobe and MJ.

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Originally Posted by the Kizz

As for the electronic media in San Antonio? All I can do is quote a sports writer at the Express-News on his TV brethren:
"This place,'' he says, "is Hooterville."

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I wouldn't be suprised if this is legit and he's talking about Mike Monroe. That comes through in his writing, you can tell he doesn't want to be here.

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Originally Posted by spurtime

My one hit (which didn't click on any of the advertising) vs. the credibility of one of their writers. Hmmm...I'll admit that I'm not up to speed on the latest publicity norms in journalism, but it seems like common sense that a writer who is often wrong puts into question the credibility of the newspaper they write for. I notice that Jemele Hill sees little espn.com space ever since she wrote that horrible piece comparing Kobe and MJ.

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The latest publicity norm in sports "journalism" is that sensationalism trumps insightful writing. It's the talk radio phenomenon. It is more important to have a strong opinion that generates a response than to have an accurate opinion. Good solid writing is considered boring for the same reason the Spurs are considered boring. America is not a nation of intelligent people.

Baiting San Antonians is the low-hanging fruit for a sports columnist. It is nearly guaranteed that not only will San Antonians go looking for pieces bashing the city or the Spurs and send back nasty e-mails, but they will forward the piece to all their friends, who likewise will send back nasty e-mails. So, congratulations on swimming into that net.

The columnist benefits because the website hit count for his work surges, generating ad revenue. Soon, every hatchet job column on the Spurs in the Denver paper, or wherever, will have ads for H-E-B and Taco Cabana.

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Originally Posted by spurtime

My one hit (which didn't click on any of the advertising) vs. the credibility of one of their writers. Hmmm...I'll admit that I'm not up to speed on the latest publicity norms in journalism, but it seems like common sense that a writer who is often wrong puts into question the credibility of the newspaper they write for. I notice that Jemele Hill sees little espn.com space ever since she wrote that horrible piece comparing Kobe and MJ.

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You're not listening. Are you this stubborn in the court room? You assume that Kiszla's job is somehow based on being 'factual', when in reality his job with his editorial pieces is to 1) generate page views and 2) generate email responses.

Both put more money in the pocket of his employer and himself. That's what we've all been trying to tell you for two pages now. And you don't have to click on an ad for them to get money, they get coin from their advertisers just off unique page views.

I agree with Mark in Austin, you'd be an easy mark in the courtroom. You're arrogant, stubborn, and obviously anything other than anyone here kissing your rear and you react emotionally.

And spare me all the high and mightly crap in your responses, you'd think a person supposedly as educated as yourself would be a bigger man than feeling the need to post on an anonymous internet board looking for a pat on the back for sending an email to a hack journalist trying to show him how small and insecure you are.

There's a reason Stephen A. Smith is still employed even though he's a complete hack, and this thread is the textbook definition of that reason.