IMHO Nash is worse as an MVP than Dirk. At least AJ is insisting that Dirk play SOME semblance of defense, and as was previously mentioned, he does rebound.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlatMan
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IMHO Nash is worse as an MVP than Dirk. At least AJ is insisting that Dirk play SOME semblance of defense, and as was previously mentioned, he does rebound.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlatMan
He also choked his way to losing to the 8th seedQuote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
okay, you tell me who is better so exstatic can explain why Parker is the best....Quote:
Originally Posted by HJNTX
bring it.... all of you......
no one had the confidence like me... i've been telling you bitches for years...
now you want one the french fry wagon.... sheyitt... :fro
I think he would be better of as a shooting gurad.Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
The beauty of the motion offense is that there are just guards. No shooting guards, no PGs. Everyone touches the ball, and needs to be able to score or create for others.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG z
Parker is great...
at ONE thing, finishing at the rim in traffic. and any competent coach can take that away from him, even a great defender can take that away from him.
tony doesn't have great court vision, doesn't have a mid-range game (yet), doesn't elevate or create for teammates, isn't the most athletic, doesn't have a great shooting range or ability.
He looks great right now playing against a crappy coach, an injured defender, alongside the greatest PF of all time, on the most disciplined and well coached team in the league. a LOT of PG's would look great in that situation.
my top PG's:
1: Nash (don't hate Nash because of the shitty phoenix fans, he IS the best)
2: Billups (Detroit is nothing without that guy)
3: AI (finishes like parker, but can shoot, dish, and carry a team)
4: Deron Williams (mark my words, these Jazz will only continue to improve, led by that guy, they could easily be the class of the NBA next year.
5: Kidd (the media always says he's great, and the spurs went after him, so I'll put him at #5, but I've never been impressed by him all that much)
6: Arenas (don't even try and tell me he wouldn't flourish in our system, he would be so much more dangerous on those picks with Duncan, cause he's actually a threat to hit threes, or pass to the open cutter/roller)
7: TP: (and this might even be a reach, Hinrich and Paul are right on his heals.
look, I love Parker, but Duncan will make any PG look good, and even with Duncan, Parker doesn't always look that good. the other PG's on that list put up better stats, while being their teams #1 option or main playmaker, with no Duncan to make their life easy.
But no team as figured out how to deny him access to the rim in two seasons. competent coach and great defender are probably dying species.Quote:
Originally Posted by vand3537
And is improving in all these areas.Quote:
tony doesn't have great court vision, doesn't have a mid-range game (yet), doesn't elevate or create for teammates, isn't the most athletic, doesn't have a great shooting range or ability.
He played against AI, Nash, Deron Williams and looked great. You can't blame him for playing against an injured PG in the finals. You could also say Duncan is not playing great PF/C and Gino is not playing against a great SG.Quote:
He looks great right now playing against a crappy coach, an injured defender
Beno prove this everytime he is on the floor.Quote:
, alongside the greatest PF of all time, on the most disciplined and well coached team in the league. a LOT of PG's would look great in that situation.
I don't disagree on your ranking. Mine :Quote:
my top PG's:
1: Nash (don't hate Nash because of the shitty phoenix fans, he IS the best)
2: Billups (Detroit is nothing without that guy)
3: AI (finishes like parker, but can shoot, dish, and carry a team)
4: Deron Williams (mark my words, these Jazz will only continue to improve, led by that guy, they could easily be the class of the NBA next year.
5: Kidd (the media always says he's great, and the spurs went after him, so I'll put him at #5, but I've never been impressed by him all that much)
6: Arenas (don't even try and tell me he wouldn't flourish in our system, he would be so much more dangerous on those picks with Duncan, cause he's actually a threat to hit threes, or pass to the open cutter/roller)
7: TP: (and this might even be a reach, Hinrich and Paul are right on his heals.
1 Nash (poor defense but maybe the greatest playmaker ever)
2 Kidd
3 Davis (when he is healthy)
4-5-6-7 Billup, Arenas, Parker, AI in no particular order.
8-9 Deron Williams/CP (they still need a bit more experience)
- No PG always look goodQuote:
look, I love Parker, but Duncan will make any PG look good, and even with Duncan, Parker doesn't always look that good. the other PG's on that list put up better stats, while being their teams #1 option or main playmaker, with no Duncan to make their life easy.
- Duncan make Parker life easier but it also limit his stats in another team Parker would have more assist, more PPG and probably a smaller FG%. No PG could have 10+ asst/game in the spurs system.
Just one note You say AI can shoot? Arenas can shoot but AI??? obviously he shoot. AI shooting statistics are awfull (for a superstar)!!!
When you look at Parker stats, don't forgot he only plays 32 minutes a game.
If you compare him to billup you can see that (in 36 minutes) TP have the best stats (I am not saying he is better). In 42.5 minutes (Iverson PT) he would have almost the same stats Iverson has (-2PPG, same APG, better FG%).
tony parker is the best nba point guard alive today.can he be the finals mvp instead of duncan?
Amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
Post of the year.
And if you disagree.....
You can blow Sequ twice.
No contest.
1. Nash
2. Tony
3. Deron
4. billups/paul/iverson and co
Kidd=bullshit.
His stat doesn't win games...Why rebounding? score bitch ah...I forgot you can't score .
Davis? ballhog,without his 3 point range he's shit .
Iverson=Tony's bitch.
He played like a bitch against the spurs so he's not the best,plus he isn't a PG,he's better when he plays SG like in Philly time .
Arenas? he's not a PG.
Only thing he can do is shooting the ball 50 times per game.
Billups? the ECF show us that he's a big shit amen.
THe best= Nash.
And I would the future best= TP with CP and DW.
ONe thing is sure : any Tony is the best PG in the nba at this age.
You may have failed to notice, but Tony has had back to back of 27 and 30, so that kind of discounts your "disappear after a good game" theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Dunk
And no, I don't think Tony is the best PG in the NBA........YET.
He is probably the most unguardable driving in the lane, and putting up points in the paint. He has a pretty competent jumpshot from 15 - 18 feet out now, and he is starting to get those pinpoint passes ala Steve Nash down. Another year, and learning to dish out 10 -15 times per game ala Jason Kidd and Steve Nash, and he may well be the best in the NBA.
Of course, he is going to get some competition from a guy out there in Utah, by the name of Deron Williams. And let's not forget another youngster by the name of Chris Paul.
Nash and Kidd right now are the best, but their time is coming to an end.
But Tony is still going to have to up his game to be considered the best of the best.
You drink too much alcohol.
Probably the best French person ever since Joan of Arc.
You forgot ZidaneQuote:
Originally Posted by mattyc
you forget jacques chirac :drunk :drunk :drunkQuote:
Originally Posted by mattyc
Whoever thinks Chauncey Billups is better than Tony Parker, much less the second best point guard in the league, hasn't watched the NBA since 2004. Parker isn't the best point guard in the league, but he's now better than Billups.
And if Duncan could make any point guard look great, explain why every backup point guard the last five years has looked like crap outside of Speedy Claxton for one and a half games.
Parker > Baron Pierre de Coubertin
Kirk Heinrich? You've got to be shitting me.Quote:
Originally Posted by vand3537
I love Nash,and his passing and long range shootings skills.But At the same time I have to say the Parker is on his way to become the best Point guard in the league.And when that happens He´ll be greater tham Nash.Why?Simple:He is able to run a team which can play run and guns type of basketball and also Slow tempo Eurolike Type of team like the spurs are right now.The spurs can run,and they can also slow the tempo and kill you with the pick and roll.
Parker is gonna be the best point guard in the league thanks to Greg Popovic.
I am interested in the answer too.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
no way dude... the Baron is the father of modern sportQuote:
Originally Posted by mattyc
And Tony Parker is averaging 28.5pts this series.Quote:
Originally Posted by romain.star
Tony wins.
most likely coze when The Buckup PG is on the floor,Timmy is sitting on the bench getting some rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by mathbzh
And that´s why Pop brings Manu as a 6th man instead of starting him,that way He can kind of run the team when TD and TP are getting some rest.
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Originally Posted by mattyc
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