Mike and Mike on espn are idiots

Regarding the Larry Johnson shot, that was clearly a bad call, but not because they gave him continuation... based on when they called the foul, he was in the act of shooting. That said, they called a foul when there was no contact, and they should have called it earlier when Davis hit LJ with his body.

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Originally Posted by spurtime

I'm amazed that Bruce made such a stupid play...We're very fortunate #1 That it wasn't called and #2 (even worse) that it wasn't called and the subsequent shot didn't go in. Bruce would really have been a goat. I wonder what the hell was going through Bruce's mind?

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what was going through bruces head was that his head coach told him to foul on the inbound to put them on the line for two when trailing by 3. although the spurs never use it, its a strategy many teams use when clinging to a 3 put lead in the final seconds. lebron felt contact and jacked up a ridiculous 3 before hearing a whistle. the fact is theres almost always a foul on a last second shot but the reds seem to swallow their whistles unless its a bone crushing play. furthermore when they blow the whistle on a last second shot, unless the shooter is in the air when the foul is called they 100% of the time call it "on the floor" to prevent superstars from jacking up 28 foot fade away threes.........

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

How is Ginobili's pump fake shot anything like what I described? When has he ever done that 5 feet behind the three point line in an instance where everybody knows he had no intention of shooting from there?

A pump fake, usually, is part of a shooting motion. It's a whole lot different from being fouled behind the line and turning to launch a shot after contact was made.

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Most of the time when Ginobili gets the contact, he throws up a wild shot that he has no intention, and no chance for that matter, of making....so that's a moot point.

The difference between Manu's shot is that he clearly has the defender jumping into him before he shoots...with this situation LeBron is moving away from Bruce when contact is initiated.

Look, it's a smart play and it gets called alot....a player hears a whistle or feels significant contact and jacks up a shot to get continuation. Sometimes the gamble pays off and the foul is called.....and sometimes it doesn't. But IF that foul is called, it's continuation.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Regarding the Larry Johnson shot, that was clearly a bad call, but not because they gave him continuation... based on when they called the foul, he was in the act of shooting. That said, they called a foul when there was no contact, and they should have called it earlier when Davis hit LJ with his body.

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They called the hack on his wrist, but the whistle was late. He took the same step and the same shot as Lebron did.

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The difference between Manu's shot is that he clearly has the defender jumping into him before he shoots...with this situation LeBron is moving away from Bruce when contact is initiated.

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Exactly.

I wish I had video, but Kobe tries this all the time and he never gets continuation. I've even seen him do it when he arguably SHOULD have been awarded continuation, but the refs didn't give it to him because they felt he was throwing up a wild shot in anticipation of the foul.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Exactly.

I wish I had video, but Kobe tries this all the time and he never gets continuation. I've even seen him do it when he arguably SHOULD have been awarded continuation, but the refs didn't give it to him because they felt he was throwing up a wild shot in anticipation of the foul.

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The refs don't like it when players play them instead of thinking about the game situation.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Exactly.

I wish I had video, but Kobe tries this all the time and he never gets continuation. I've even seen him do it when he arguably SHOULD have been awarded continuation, but the refs didn't give it to him because they felt he was throwing up a wild shot in anticipation of the foul.

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I've seen it go both ways when a player intentionally "jacks up" a shot....I can even recall Finley getting it called at one point this season. Again, it's a gamble and one that obviously didn't pay off...but it's been called before.

Same deal with "flops"....Varajao ends up on the floor seemingly after every possession. Sometimes the opposing player gets a charge, sometimes he gets a blocking foul, and sometimes the refs play on.

You might be right in assuming that the refs didn't want to call a foul because they knew the angle James was playing...but IF they called the foul, I find it hard to believe it wouldn't have been continuation.

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Originally Posted by Don Quixote

I like Mike & Mike, always have. Even if they saw a foul on the last play (which is true, there was), that does not make them tools. They're only journalists. Personally, I like them to take an opinion, makes life more interesting.

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Basically. But don't tell anyone in here that. If they disagree with the fans here, they're automatically assholes

To each his own, but I find them to be almost unlistenable. Regardless of their take on my teams. he only reason I occasionally catch them is because I still prefer them to a ten minute commercial break on my preferred sports talk station.

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Mike and Mike on espn are idiots

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Agreed