Cuban is a sore loser

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Bizarre twists to Cuban-Nellie lawsuit
Posted: Friday June 29, 2007 07:37AM ET
Don Nelson is being sued by Mavericks owner Mark Cuban for using "confidential information" to beat his former team in the playoffs, and if an arbitrator agrees with this claim, then Nelson might not be allowed to coach again for Golden State. According to John O'Connor, Nelson's San Francisco-based attorney, Cuban is claiming Nelson was still under contract with the Mavericks, and therefore he couldn't work for the Warriors.

What a sore loser. He can't accept that his Mavs choked! Now it seems he wants Nellie out of Golden State! I always kind of liked Cuban for his passion about his basketball team, but now I've lost all respect for him.

What a hypocrite. Shouldn't then this same principle apply to Avery JOhnson and the 2006 defeat of the Spurs by the Mavs in the playoffs?

That is totally absurd.

Cuban, we got news for you..

The fact that Dirk is a big choker is NOT confidential information. :lol

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Originally Posted by mbass

What a hypocrite. Shouldn't then this same principle apply to Avery JOhnson and the 2006 defeat of the Spurs by the Mavs in the playoffs?

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We could make that excuse, but we have class. We are a no-excuse ball club, unlike the mavs and suns.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

The fact that Dirk is a big choker is NOT confidential information. :lol

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Worst kept secret in the NBA. :lol

Priceless! Does Cuban realize how ridiculous this sounds? He's suing Nellie for knowing how to trip up his choking team ... what's next? Is he going to sue Finley for helping his division rivals win the title while collecting Cuban's checks?

wtf Cuban, move on :lol

I'm calling bullshit on this story. I googled it and can't find a single reference to it. Plus it just sounds fake. Link please.

What a douchebag.

:lmao

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Originally Posted by Budkin

I'm calling bullshit on this story. I googled it and can't find a single reference to it. Plus it just sounds fake. Link please.

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I dont bull shit. Here is you f'n link

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/8851

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Originally Posted by O-Factor

I dont bull shit. Here is you f'n link

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/8851

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Teh Google failed me, sorry for the bullshit call. I can't fucking believe this is real. I just lost what little respect I had left for Cuban.

The REAL link is here:

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/...ry/152947.html

Here's the article in the Ft. Worth newspaper. Mark Cuban has official retired the Biggest Douche Ever award.

http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/152950.html
Posted on Fri, Jun. 29, 200

Is Mavs owner now crying foul?

By JEFF CAPLAN
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban believes Golden State's sizzling shooting alone didn't sink his basketball team in the most stunning playoff defeat in NBAhistory.

That's according to Don Nelson's attorney, John O'Connor, who said Cuban is suing Nelson, claiming the Warriors beat the Mavs in the first round because the Warriors' coach -- and former coach of the Mavs -- had "confidential information and he [Cuban] wants to enjoin Don from coaching against the Mavericks."

"There is no basis in our view," O'Connor said. "I suppose he [Nelson] knows [Dirk] Nowitzki likes to go right instead of left, but normally that's not a trade secret."

In an e-mail, Cuban acknowledged he and his lawyer have "claims" against Nelson, but is "not sure how we are handling them." Cuban offered a "no comment" when asked Thursday night for a description of "confidential information."

This new twist is an extension of an ongoing feud about compensation between the two men, who together resurrected the Mavs' franchise. Nelson sued Cuban last winter, claiming he is due $6.5 million in deferred payments dating to the Ross Perot Jr. ownership group.

Cuban contends Nelson forfeited the money when he accepted the Golden State job because it breached a "non-compete" clause in his Mavs contract, a $200,000-a-year consulting position that ran through 2011.

O'Connor said Cuban had stopped paying Nelson before he took the Golden State job and Nelson believed he was no longer bound to the "non-compete" clause.

"Bottom line is that when he took the Golden State job, he was still under his consulting agreement which had a 'non-compete' in it," Cuban wrote. "Part of the logic was that the 'non-compete' would keep him from working elsewhere since he was going to retire, or so he claimed every time. He was fine with the 'non-compete.' Until he wasn't. That's the basis of our claim."

An arbitrator is expected to tackle the claims in October.

"I'm the victim," Nelson said. "I'm embarrassed by this, and I hope that the truth will come out. It will all come out in the arbitration."

If the arbitrator rules Nelson did violate the "non-compete" clause, it's doubtful, Cuban surmised, that a judgment would prohibit Nelson from coaching the Warriors.

"The real issue," Cuban wrote, "is that if Nellie loses, if he quits the Warriors to get in compliance, then we would have to pay the money owed. Would he rather quit and paid or work and not get paid?"

Cuban said he didn't try to stop Nelson from taking the Golden State job last year because he didn't learn about the deal until after Nelson signed and, "I wasn't going to make a big deal."

After Golden State lost to Utah in the second round, Nelson, 67, announced that he was not sure he would return for the second season of his three-year deal.

In a report Wednesday, Nelson said he could decide after the completion of the Las Vegas Summer League on July 15. It's unknown if the Cuban issue will have any bearing on Nelson's decision process.

Jeff Caplan, 817-390-7760
[email protected]

Loser owner of a loser team.

So I guess we can sue them for our 2006 exit. What a putz. I officially have no respect for anybody in that organization. From top to bottom.

It appears to be far more complex than at first blush. It is probably just maneuvering for reasons of recouping some money from Nellie.

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Originally Posted by Budkin

I'm calling bullshit on this story. I googled it and can't find a single reference to it. Plus it just sounds fake. Link please.

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I posted it in the NBA forum:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72758


San Francisco Chronicle is reporting it. I hope it's not true, it would be a joke if it was.

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

After Golden State lost to Utah in the second round, Nelson, 67, announced that he was not sure he would return for the second season of his three-year deal.
In a report Wednesday, Nelson said he could decide after the completion of the Las Vegas Summer League on July 15. [/email]

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While Cuban is a POS in his own right, I think the bullshit Nellie is pulling isn't a hell of alot better. It ticks me off when coaches (and players) play this silly game. Time and again they hold the organization hostage while they decide if they're going to jump ship or not (see Larry Brown). It's times like these that I (once again) thank Pop, RC, Peter Holt and the rest of the organization for having some class.

http://static.flickr.com/78/155733289_44299089e6.jpg

Cuban is a pansy, and this claim is just asinine.

But from a legal perspective, I think Cuban loses this one because he clearly was aware that Nellie was taking a job that, in theory at least, violated this purported non-compete provision. Cuban technically had 2 years to bring an action for breach of contract, but I'm fairly certain that equity requires that he seek to enjoin violations of the non-compete clause as soon as reasonably possible. Waiting an entire basketball season in which it was readily-apparent to Cuban that Nellie was (in Cuban's estimation, anyway) in violation of the provision will, I think, ultimately preclude Cuban from prevailing on this ridiculous claim.

Mark Cuban gives douches a bad name.

The only thing possible you can say in Cuban's defense is that this is Nellie's lawyer's version of events. It's possible that his counter-claims are merely that Nellie broke a no-compete clause in his consulting contract and Nellie is spinning the "confidential info" "trade secrets" thing to make Cuban look bad. If it's true, Cuban is the biggest sore loser around.

I'm still a bit befuddled by this. If he was gonna call-out a "non-compliance" clause, wouldn't the proper time have been last off-season?

This just smacks of sour grapes.

I will give him props though, he is pretty up-front why he's doing it. It's all about the money. Wonder how those new business ventures of his are panning? :td

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Originally Posted by L.I.T

I'm still a bit befuddled by this. If he was gonna call-out a "non-compliance" clause, wouldn't the proper time have been last off-season?

This just smacks of sour grapes.

I will give him props though, he is pretty up-front why he's doing it. It's all about the money. Wonder how those new business ventures of his are panning? :td

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IF Nellie's lawyer isn't just spinning and is actually telling the truth about Cuban's counter-claims to the lawsuit. The non-compliance thing might just be manuevering for a more favorable settlement of Nellie's claims against the Mavericks. It's the "insider info", "trade secrets," "confidential info" stuff that makes Cuban a huge douche if true.

And people wonder why Cuban is hated

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And people wonder why Cuban is hated

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um..not really

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Originally Posted by BUMP

um..not really

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Ummm, yes really

Coming up next, the Robert Sarver v. Robert Horry lawsuit.

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Ummm, yes really

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Just keep in mind this is Nellie's lawyer talking. He might be right, but an arbitrator will get to the bottom of this.

I feel bad for the Mavs players and AJ ; they deserve much better than Cuban.

Yes, Cuban's money helped to build a contender, but the man is really embarassing his team

Say what you want about Cuban, but he's a smart businessman. I wonder if he is filing this suit in order to get out of paying the 6.5 million Nellie claims he owes him.

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Originally Posted by AmarilloDoc

Say what you want about Cuban, but he's a smart businessman. I wonder if he is filing this suit in order to get out of paying the 6.5 million Nellie claims he owes him.

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No, he's going to lose that suit. I think this is a case of what happens when you sue a rich man and he has the financial means to drag the proceedings out forever.

So when is Cuban going to sue Pat Riley?

Of course, now we have an explanation for Smallball©; Pop didn't want to get sued.

Cuban is just trying to harrass Don Nelson through the lawyers with his extensive wealth. It's common in business, and he is trying to bring the same bs into basketball.
Sad.

This is so stupid. There is no way Cuban wins this. He makes Dallas look bad. I wonder how the players and Avery feel?

:lmao This is classic.

TOP SECRET, FOR YOUR EYES ONLY:

Dirk is a choker. Bwahahahahahaha.

I'm sure somewhere Cuban is turning a cartwheel over being able to draw media attention even on the day after the draft. This whole thing is taking on the feel of a messy divorce more than a basketball issue.

Speaking of messy divorces, what's up with the Kidds? I haven't heard much since the first round of stories. I figured that sucker would become a good old fashioned media circus train wreck.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

That is totally absurd.

Cuban, we got news for you..

The fact that Dirk is a big choker is NOT confidential information. :lol

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If this was the old Jim Rome board you would get major Racks for that. :lol :lol :lol

Unbelievable!

:lmao :lmao :lmao

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I'm sure somewhere Cuban is turning a cartwheel over being able to draw media attention even on the day after the draft. This whole thing is taking on the feel of a messy divorce more than a basketball issue.

Speaking of messy divorces, what's up with the Kidds? I haven't heard much since the first round of stories. I figured that sucker would become a good old fashioned media circus train wreck.

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Actually I think this is terrible publicity for Cuban and the Mavs and I honestly can't believe he would want to court attention like this. The only word we have for the claim being true is one party's attorney. If this were true, would you want to coach for Cuban? If you were a player, would you want to come play in Dallas? I have a feeling that this is a very acrimonious arbitration process related to Nellie's claims of deferred compensation, and it's just as likely his camp is spinning this to make Cuban and his franchise look terrible on the eve of the free agency signing period as it is that the story is true.

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Originally Posted by Slomo

Unbelievable!

:lmao :lmao :lmao

http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums...RopeWalker.jpg

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:lol :tu

Better still, that's exactly what Cuban wears around the house.

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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile

I'm sure somewhere Cuban is turning a cartwheel over being able to draw media attention even on the day after the draft. This whole thing is taking on the feel of a messy divorce more than a basketball issue.

Speaking of messy divorces, what's up with the Kidds? I haven't heard much since the first round of stories. I figured that sucker would become a good old fashioned media circus train wreck.

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Actually this more like writing the epitaph on the Mavericks franchise. Two years with championship hopes, and you get the entire team parading to the podium to whine about officiating last year vs. the Heat, and now this.

Cuban just solidified his team's rep as the biggest bunch of whiners and sore losers in pro sports.

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Actually this more like writing the epitaph on the Mavericks franchise.

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They're disbanding?

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Cuban just solidified his team's rep as the biggest bunch of whiners and sore losers in pro sports

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So you're taking Nellie's lawyer at face value on this? It may well turn out to be true, but generally speaking, isn't there an arbitration process to decide which claims are true and which aren't? Considering how asinine and idiotic it makes the Mavericks look, there's not a possibility that Nellie's attorney is simply casting Cuban in the worst possible light in order to make things easier for his client?

Too bad the spurs ''class'' does not apply to their fans.

Isn't Cuban kinda young for a hip replacement? Maybe they meant "brain replacement." An "ego reduction" would certainly do the idiot some good.


Cuban-Nellie feud intensifies

Mavs owner sues former coach, claims inside info helped Warriors pull playoff upset

01:31 PM CDT on Friday, June 29, 2007

By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News
[email protected]

The ever-darkening feud between Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and former coach Don Nelson has reached a new low.

Cuban is suing Nelson for beating his former team in the playoffs.

That's essentially what it boils down to as Cuban has initiated legal action against the Golden State coach for using inside information about his former team in the regular season and in their epic first-round upset of the Mavs.

Nelson said Friday that he was surprised by Cuban's move and figured it was a reaction to the arbitration Nelson has filed against Cuban over about $6.5 million in deferred money that Nelson and former Mavericks owner Ross Perot Jr. have said is owed to Nelson from the Perot era.

"I'm embarrassed by the whole thing," Nelson said.

There is little doubt that Nelson knows the Mavericks better than any other coach in the league, save Avery Johnson. But strategic secrets are hard to come by in the league, given the extensive scouting web every team has. The Warriors beat the Mavericks in six games in the first round, the first time a No. 8 seed has upset a No. 1 seed in a best-of-seven series. They also went 3-0 against the Mavs in the regular season.

It should be noted, however, that the Golden State hex over the Mavericks started in 2005-06, when Mike Montgomery was coaching the Warriors and they won three out of four games over the Mavs despite owning a far inferior record.

Cuban, who is having hip-replacement surgery Friday, could not immediately be reached for comment.

But it's clear that the bottom line is about money. Nelson had resigned his coaching position with the Mavericks in March, 2004. He was paid for one more season at his coaching salary, then was to begin work in a consultant's role at a greatly reduced salary, believed to be $200,000 annually.

Cuban's claim is that taking the Golden State coaching position last summer violated a non-compete clause in Nelson's contract."

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Too bad the spurs ''class'' does not apply to their fans.

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According to some Spurs fans, Nellie's lawyer = judge, jury and executioner.

If this is true, Cuban is a giant douche and is just making things harder on himself and his franchise. But I have a hard time believing he'd be that shortsighted and stupid. You don't become a billionaire and resurrect a dead franchise if you can't see the forest for the trees.

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Too bad the spurs ''class'' does not apply to their fans.

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Originally Posted by Sweetey

Isn't Cuban kinda young for a hip replacement? Maybe they meant "brain replacement." An "ego reduction" would certainly do the idiot some good.


Cuban-Nellie feud intensifies

Mavs owner sues former coach, claims inside info helped Warriors pull playoff upset

01:31 PM CDT on Friday, June 29, 2007

By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News
[email protected]

The ever-darkening feud between Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and former coach Don Nelson has reached a new low.

Cuban is suing Nelson for beating his former team in the playoffs.

That's essentially what it boils down to as Cuban has initiated legal action against the Golden State coach for using inside information about his former team in the regular season and in their epic first-round upset of the Mavs.

Nelson said Friday that he was surprised by Cuban's move and figured it was a reaction to the arbitration Nelson has filed against Cuban over about $6.5 million in deferred money that Nelson and former Mavericks owner Ross Perot Jr. have said is owed to Nelson from the Perot era.

"I'm embarrassed by the whole thing," Nelson said.

There is little doubt that Nelson knows the Mavericks better than any other coach in the league, save Avery Johnson. But strategic secrets are hard to come by in the league, given the extensive scouting web every team has. The Warriors beat the Mavericks in six games in the first round, the first time a No. 8 seed has upset a No. 1 seed in a best-of-seven series. They also went 3-0 against the Mavs in the regular season.

It should be noted, however, that the Golden State hex over the Mavericks started in 2005-06, when Mike Montgomery was coaching the Warriors and they won three out of four games over the Mavs despite owning a far inferior record.

Cuban, who is having hip-replacement surgery Friday, could not immediately be reached for comment.

But it's clear that the bottom line is about money. Nelson had resigned his coaching position with the Mavericks in March, 2004. He was paid for one more season at his coaching salary, then was to begin work in a consultant's role at a greatly reduced salary, believed to be $200,000 annually.

Cuban's claim is that taking the Golden State coaching position last summer violated a non-compete clause in Nelson's contract."

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So according to that article, Nellie says Cuban is vindictively suing him for using "trade secrets" and "insider info" to beat the Mavs. According to Cuban, he is making a counter-claim against Nellie for violating a no-compete clause in his consulting contract. Good thing Spurs fans wouldn't be on the jury.

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Originally Posted by AmarilloDoc

Say what you want about Cuban, but he's a smart businessman. I wonder if he is filing this suit in order to get out of paying the 6.5 million Nellie claims he owes him.

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Bingo!

Cuban rewards loyalty, like continuing to pay Del Harris even though he is not coaching this year and he continued to pay Don Nelson for a year and a half after he quit on the team. But once Nellie abandoned his loyalty to the Mavs and signed with the Warriors, even though he had a non compete clause, and still wanted his retirement severance, Cuban did what most wealthy people with power do………sue the [email protected]!



I agree with him, it's just too bad it gives him the whole organization and the fans a black eye?

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Originally Posted by 41times

Bingo!

Cuban rewards loyalty, like continuing to pay Del Harris even though he is not coaching this year and he continued to pay Don Nelson for a year and a half after he quit on the team. But once Nellie abandoned his loyalty to the Mavs and signed with the Warriors, even though he had a non compete clause, and still wanted his retirement severance, Cuban did what most wealthy people with power do………sue the [email protected]!



I agree with him, it's just too bad it gives him the whole organization and the fans a black eye?

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Why don't we wait for an arbitrator to rule before just taking Nellie's word for it that this is what Cuban is doing?

Why is Cuban having hip surgery?

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Originally Posted by 41times

Bingo!

Cuban rewards loyalty, like continuing to pay Del Harris even though he is not coaching this year and he continued to pay Don Nelson for a year and a half after he quit on the team. But once Nellie abandoned his loyalty to the Mavs and signed with the Warriors, even though he had a non compete clause, and still wanted his retirement severance, Cuban did what most wealthy people with power do………sue the [email protected]!



I agree with him, it's just too bad it gives him the whole organization and the fans a black eye?

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why in the hell did he wait this long then for

why not the day he signed the contract with gs?
WHY! Because he is now throwing a hissing fit he losted to the 8 seed
LOSER

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Originally Posted by mbass

What a hypocrite. Shouldn't then this same principle apply to Avery JOhnson and the 2006 defeat of the Spurs by the Mavs in the playoffs?

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Read the article dumbass, Nellie was still under contract, Avery Johnson didn't have any ties with the Spurs... :sleep

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Originally Posted by 41times

Bingo!

Cuban rewards loyalty, like continuing to pay Del Harris even though he is not coaching this year and he continued to pay Don Nelson for a year and a half after he quit on the team. But once Nellie abandoned his loyalty to the Mavs and signed with the Warriors, even though he had a non compete clause, and still wanted his retirement severance, Cuban did what most wealthy people with power do………sue the [email protected]!



I agree with him, it's just too bad it gives him the whole organization and the fans a black eye?

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Cuban will never be any more than a sorry ass loser. He threatened to sell the Mavs last Summer after they got their asses whipped by the Heat. His excuse for that loss was that the NBA Officiating was not honest so he was selling the team -- Big LOYALTY ----riiight ! Now after getting his ass whipped yet again, only this time by the 8th seeded Warriors, he is suing Nellie. Cuban needs to sell the Mavs and forget about owning ANY professional franchise. His ego is too big to take LOSING and he will always be a LOSER as a pro sports owner !!

What a disgrace. He shouldn't even sue on the contract. Nellie's son works for him. What kind of dysfunction exist in that HQ?

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Originally Posted by T Park

Why is Cuban having hip surgery?

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He probably "pulled" something looking for an excuse for this stupid lawsuit ! :lol

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Cuban will never be any more than a sorry ass loser.

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Right. Team's record in the 00-01 season when he took over: 10-24 They finished 30-17. Ten year playoff drought when he bought the team. Haven't missed the playoffs in every full season since he owned the franchise.

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He threatened to sell the Mavs last Summer after they got their asses whipped by the Heat. His excuse for that loss was that the NBA Officiating was not honest so he was selling the team -- Big LOYALTY ----riiight !

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His excuse was internal politics within the NBA's Board of Governors. Don't let your distaste for him equate to a distaste for facts.

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Now after getting his ass whipped yet again, only this time by the 8th seeded Warriors, he is suing Nellie. Cuban needs to sell the Mavs and forget about owning ANY professional franchise. His ego is too big to take LOSING and he will always be a LOSER as a pro sports owner

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According to Nellie's camp.

Funny how not one Spurs fan wants to acknowledge that all we're getting is one side's versions of events.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Right. Team's record in the 00-01 season when he took over: 10-24 They finished 30-17. Ten year playoff drought when he bought the team. Haven't missed the playoffs in every full season since he owned the franchise.



His excuse was internal politics within the NBA's Board of Governors. Don't let your distaste for him equate to a distaste for facts.



According to Nellie's camp.

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Empty trophy room says it all ! LOSER !!!!

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Originally Posted by Sweetey

Empty trophy room says it all ! LOSER !!!!

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Are you 12 years old? Do you understand how arbitration claims work? Do you understand the principle of being above .500 in wins and losses?

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Originally Posted by Sweetey

Empty trophy room says it all ! LOSER !!!!

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fuck you ass fuck if i find u i'll fucking slice ur balls and slice ur eyes and i'll stick ur eyes in ur ball sack and ur balls in ur eye hole, you litle man hoe id be supries if u had any ball il laughf when ur shanked us fucker!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Findog

Funny how not one Spurs fan wants to acknowledge that all we're getting is one side's versions of events.

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What kind of stupid statement is that? Reading comprehension problems mister? Have your mommy read the article in the Dallas Morning News to you.

LOSER !!

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Originally Posted by Mav Troll

fuck you ass fuck if i find u i'll fucking slice ur balls and slice ur eyes and i'll stick ur eyes in ur ball sack and ur balls in ur eye hole, you litle man hoe id be supries if u had any ball il laughf when ur shanked us fucker!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ooooooooo - yet ANOTHER classless Mavwrecks fan. I am sooooooo scare. :lol

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Originally Posted by Sweetey

What kind of stupid statement is that? Reading comprehension problems mister? Have your mommy read the article in the Dallas Morning News to you.

LOSER !!

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You're funny...but I'm afraid adult illiteracy isn't funny at all, assuming you are an adult. The article's only source for the claim is Nellie and his lawyer. A basic principle of jurisprudence is that we don't take one side's claims as gospel, a judge or arbitrator makes that determination.

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Originally Posted by Mav Troll

fuck you ass fuck if i find u i'll fucking slice ur balls and slice ur eyes and i'll stick ur eyes in ur ball sack and ur balls in ur eye hole, you litle man hoe id be supries if u had any ball il laughf when ur shanked us fucker!!!!!!!!!!!

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:wtf

i mean everytime i read a post on any forum, i know it had to have come from some human being in this world, with a brain. in rare circumstances, like this, i wonder if a human actually produced that....

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Originally Posted by Findog

Are you 12 years old? Do you understand how arbitration claims work? Do you understand the principle of being above .500 in wins and losses?

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Spin it any way you want -- Empty trophy room says it all !!

From my understanding on various boards, this is about Nellie wanting Cuban to pay him his money while he coaches another team when he's still under contract to be a consultant for the team. So this is less about the Warriors beating them and more about Nelson wanting Cuban to give him his money. I wonder if Cuban should have denied him coaching another team if that was the case. But this happens every time in business situations. Just this one has fame all over it.

What I wonder about this is what is Donnie Nelson doing? How does he feel about it?

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Originally Posted by Sweetey

Spin it any way you want -- Empty trophy room says it all !!

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We're not discussing which franchise has more trophies. This is about:

A) an unverified claim made against Cuban by Nellie

and

B) your reading comprehension problems since you apparently can't grasp that.

:lmao @ Mav Fan circling his wagons around The Great Leader.

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:wtf

i mean everytime i read a post on any forum, i know it had to have come from some human being in this world, with a brain. in rare circumstances, like this, i wonder if a human actually produced that....

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Spurs fan in disguise.

Findog, very noble of you trying to defend Cuban.

Nevertheless, he is a giant douche, wether you admit it or not. Regardless of him resurrecting the Mavs.

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They're disbanding?

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The Mavs will never win anything of substance (the Finals) as long as they are constantly playing the victim card instead of stepping up and taking responsibility for their actions.

It's why they lost to the Heat last year (crying about Wade drawing fouls) and then again this year (boo hoo, Nellie knows us).

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So you're taking Nellie's lawyer at face value on this? It may well turn out to be true, but generally speaking, isn't there an arbitration process to decide which claims are true and which aren't? Considering how asinine and idiotic it makes the Mavericks look, there's not a possibility that Nellie's attorney is simply casting Cuban in the worst possible light in order to make things easier for his client?

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You might have a point if Dallas radio wasn't talking about this in the morning on the drive to work, and were citing sources close to the Mavs. They weren't even talking about this article, they were talking about hearing from within the Mavs organization, and were also wondering about the impact this would have on Donnie Nelson and his relationship with Cuban.

So, yeah, I'm going to give it some credence, certainly more than Cuban's incessant whining that Nellie used trade secrets to beat the Mavs.

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Originally Posted by Mav Troll

fuck you ass fuck if i find u i'll fucking slice ur balls and slice ur eyes and i'll stick ur eyes in ur ball sack and ur balls in ur eye hole, you litle man hoe id be supries if u had any ball il laughf when ur shanked us fucker!!!!!!!!!!!

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:rollin

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

:lmao @ Mav Fan circling his wagons around The Great Leader.

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Hey, if it's true, Cuban sucks. I need a bit more to go on than Nellie talking to one of his favorite beat writers. I hope you're accused of something someday in the newspapers and presumed guilty.

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Originally Posted by 41times

Bingo!

Cuban rewards loyalty, like continuing to pay Del Harris even though he is not coaching this year and he continued to pay Don Nelson for a year and a half after he quit on the team. But once Nellie abandoned his loyalty to the Mavs and signed with the Warriors, even though he had a non compete clause, and still wanted his retirement severance, Cuban did what most wealthy people with power do………sue the [email protected]!

I agree with him, it's just too bad it gives him the whole organization and the fans a black eye?

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Cuban doesn't reward loyalty. He rewards suck ups. If Cuban had a problem with Nellie coaching, he should have sued him to stop it two years ago when Nellie went to California.

Not doing it then, and only doing it now, brings Cuban's decision to sue into scrutiny (and rightfully so).

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Originally Posted by Findog

We're not discussing which franchise has more trophies. This is about:

A) an unverified claim made against Cuban by Nellie

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B) your reading comprehension problems since you apparently can't grasp that.

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And your reading comprehension is that of a first grader. This is about Mark Cuban not being able to accept LOSING. Last year is was that the NBA Officials cheated and now it is because the coach he fired whipped his ass in the first round. Deal with it !!

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Originally Posted by T Park

Why is Cuban having hip surgery?

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Fell down too many times in the shower after the games.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Hey, if it's true, Cuban sucks. I need a bit more to go on than Nellie talking to one of his favorite beat writers. I hope you're accused of something someday in the newspapers and presumed guilty.

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Problem is, this is 10,000% consistent with everything else Cuban has ever done in his life.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

The Mavs will never win anything of substance (the Finals) as long as they are constantly playing the victim card instead of stepping up and taking responsibility for their actions.

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now this i actually agree with. Cuban just needs to move on and not worry about the loss. he is taking this way too far. despite 90% of Spur fans on here not knowing what is going on, (including me, i have no idea) this really is the answer. Cuban needs to just not worry about it

Regardless of the reason for this. The wording is what is in question. He comes off as a crying baby. If this was such a big deal, why bring it up after the loss and not as soon as nellie was hired.

Even the dallas media(the ticket) is embarrassed for such a douche act.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Funny how not one Spurs fan wants to acknowledge that all we're getting is one side's versions of events.

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Funny how worried little Mavs fan only wants to plug his ears and hum until all the critics go away.

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The Mavs will never win anything of substance (the Finals) as long as they are constantly playing the victim card instead of stepping up and taking responsibility for their actions.

It's why they lost to the Heat last year (crying about Wade drawing fouls) and then again this year (boo hoo, Nellie knows us).

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I don't have a problem with any of that, I was bitter for a while after the Finals, but ultimately I came to realize that the refs didn't cost us. I think the team realizes that as well. I don't think Avery allows them to indulge that mindset. But this is just jumping to conclusions based on an article by Eddie Sefko when apparently the only person he talked to was Nellie.

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You might have a point if Dallas radio wasn't talking about this in the morning on the drive to work, and were citing sources close to the Mavs. They weren't even talking about this article, they were talking about hearing from within the Mavs organization, and were also wondering about the impact this would have on Donnie Nelson and his relationship with Cuban.

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Who did you listen to, the Musers? I only caught the first part of that segment as I was pulling into work. I enjoy the Ticket but they don't break news, the only thing I heard was conjecture about how Del Harris "must've been" the "mole" and how Cuban fired him...which is weird because if Cuban honestly feels like Harris was actively aiding the Warriors in that series, it's rather strange he continues to pay him.

I'm pretty curious about Donnie's feelings and role in all of this, but if he really had a problem with Cuban and what's going on with his dad, don't you think he would've left the team by now?

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So, yeah, I'm going to give it some credence, certainly more than Cuban's incessant whining that Nellie used trade secrets to beat the Mavs.

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Yeah, according to Nellie. It's fine to put stock in it if you want, but the whole idea is so asinine and stupid. Hate on Cuban all you want, but the man is not dumb. If true, it makes the Mavs' franchise look terrible and dampens enthusiasm for coaches and players to come here.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Funny how worried little Mavs fan only wants to plug his ears and hum until all the critics go away.

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What criticism am I ignoring? That our perimeter d sucks? That we lost our composure and poise against Mia/GS?

I'm just not going to run with this solely on the basis of Nellie talking on the phone to Eddie Sefko.

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Originally Posted by smeagol

Findog, very noble of you trying to defend Cuban.

Nevertheless, he is a giant douche, wether you admit it or not. Regardless of him resurrecting the Mavs.

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If what Eddie Sefko reports is true, he's a giant douche. All I'm defending here is due process.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Cuban doesn't reward loyalty. He rewards suck ups. If Cuban had a problem with Nellie coaching, he should have sued him to stop it two years ago when Nellie went to California.

Not doing it then, and only doing it now, brings Cuban's decision to sue into scrutiny (and rightfully so).

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agreed.

also the original article says that Nellie signed with GS only after Cuban had stopped paying him. no pay = no job.
I've alwasy thougth that stopping paychecks was the pussy version of ending someone's employment.
And as you ppinted out - it's not like Nelson signed with GS in April of this year....

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Funny how worried little Mavs fan only wants to plug his ears and hum until all the critics go away.

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Findog apparently has a man crush on Cuban, since he continues to give him credit for all the work the Nelsons did.

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Originally Posted by Findog

If what Eddie Sefko reports is true, he's a giant douche. All I'm defending here is due process.

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Due process has about as much to do with peoples' opinions as truth has to do with legal rulings. All you're defending here is the owner of your team, to whom you are unnaturally devoted.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Findog apparently has a man crush on Cuban, since he continues to give him credit for all the work the Nelsons did.

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Cuban gets credit for paying the luxury tax and for signing off on transactions to bring in more talent. I never said he was a player personnel guru.

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Originally Posted by Findog

I'm pretty curious about Donnie's feelings and role in all of this, but if he really had a problem with Cuban and what's going on with his dad, don't you think he would've left the team by now?

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Must be a tough position to be in. On the one hand, there's probably no better setup in the NBA (other than maybe the Portland gig now). Onthe other hand, it's got to be an emotional strain for him. Even if this particular story isn't what it appears, it's clear that Cuban and his dad hate each other.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Due process has about as much to do with peoples' opinions as truth has to do with legal rulings. All you're defending here is the owner of your team, to whom you are unnaturally devoted.

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With all due respect, I don't see how that bears the slightest relation to what I've been posting.

If it's true, I'll be dismayed. But one side in a legal dispute doesn't have a monopoly on the facts.

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

Must be a tough position to be in. On the one hand, there's probably no better setup in the NBA (other than maybe the Portland gig now). Onthe other hand, it's got to be an emotional strain for him. Even if this particular story isn't what it appears, it's clear that Cuban and his dad hate each other.

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The fued between Big Nellie and Cubes is nothing new. Donnie has made his peace with it if he continues to work for the Mavs.

Oh all you Spurs fans can fuck me especially hard up the anal tract with a ten foot poll. you guys make me so sick. you make me want to vomit, eat my vomit, and vomit again. two words, WESTERN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS! how did it feel to get beat at home in game 7 last year? oh nevermind, you guys disappeared like cockroaches after that game. im not even worried about that greasy trash dunghole you call San Antonio, home to the world's only toilet museum. you'll want to sue me after we're done sweeping you guys next year in the playoffs. then i'll ride through San Antonio on my white stallion shitting all over your town, not even SAM HOUSTON WILL BE ABLE TO STOP ME!!!!! :devil

as far as this case goes, stay the fuck out of it. all you San Antonians know about the courtroom is that you arent allowed to bring in yer guns or burritos. what do they teach you guys in your school system anyway? oh yeah, RECESS! in fact, i might just make up my whole jury full of Mav fans, and i know they will back me against that assShard Don Nelson. he doesnt stand a fucking chance!

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Originally Posted by Mav Troll

fuck you ass fuck if i find u i'll fucking slice ur balls and slice ur eyes and i'll stick ur eyes in ur ball sack and ur balls in ur eye hole, you litle man hoe id be supries if u had any ball il laughf when ur shanked us fucker!!!!!!!!!!!

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my son!

I think, on a side note, that I have just found the biggest whore in Professional sports.

His name is Donnie Nelson, aka Don Nelson Jr., who proceeds to work for this ass Cuban even though Cuban has taken every shot possible at his father. I can't imagine working for anyone treating my father this way. This isn't business anymore, these are personal attacks and personal vendettas being carried out behind lawyers. If Donnie Nelson doesn't walk into Cuban's office and resign then he's the biggest whore in sports. Money isn't worth selling out your family.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Cuban gets credit for paying the luxury tax and for signing off on transactions to bring in more talent. I never said he was a player personnel guru.

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You mean like the luxury tax that he saved by cutting Michael Finley? Cuban gets credit for not bleeding the franchise like Perot did, but not much more.

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Originally Posted by Findog

The fued between Big Nellie and Cubes is nothing new. Donnie has made his peace with it if he continues to work for the Mavs.

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Uh, I bet the current situation is something he can't just "make peace with" one time and move on. He has to deal continually with escalating levels of acrimony, and, assuming he's still got a good relationship with Don, there's potentially a limit to what he can take.

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Yeah, according to Nellie. It's fine to put stock in it if you want, but the whole idea is so asinine and stupid. Hate on Cuban all you want, but the man is not dumb. If true, it makes the Mavs' franchise look terrible and dampens enthusiasm for coaches and players to come here

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You're right, the man is not dumb. He is, however, a spoiled freakin' brat who pouts and holds his breathe in a lame attempt to get what he wants.

Last year he blames his team's meltdown on the league hooking up Wade and Miami, calls it all fixed, and threatens to sell the team.

This year, a month after his season ends, he pulls this crap and acts like his team only lost because Nellie was getting passed the game plans or something stupid like that. GS didn't need insider info. to beat the Mavs, they were in their heads (from the players to AJ to Cuban) before the series even started, and it was already over at that point.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Findog apparently has a man crush on Cuban, since he continues to give him credit for all the work the Nelsons did.

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Sadly, a lot of people up here in Dallas do. My cousin already had a meltdown over this today via email, and he idolizes Cuban.

I just don't understand how Jerry Jones is criticized because people think he does all the things Mark Cuban is loved for actually doing.

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Originally Posted by Warlord23

Priceless! Does Cuban realize how ridiculous this sounds? He's suing Nellie for knowing how to trip up his choking team ... what's next? Is he going to sue Finley for helping his division rivals win the title while collecting Cuban's checks?

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you know that's next. what a f-ing tool.

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Originally Posted by BeerIsGood!

I think, on a side note, that I have just found the biggest whore in Professional sports.

His name is Donnie Nelson, aka Don Nelson Jr., who proceeds to work for this ass Cuban even though Cuban has taken every shot possible at his father. I can't imagine working for anyone treating my father this way. This isn't business anymore, these are personal attacks and personal vendettas being carried out behind lawyers. If Donnie Nelson doesn't walk into Cuban's office and resign then he's the biggest whore in sports. Money isn't worth selling out your family.

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Excellent point.
I'll be on the look out for a newsbite about Jr leaving the team.

blood should be thicker than $$.

I think when this is all said and done, we will discover that is was really all about $6.5 million dollars. As an attorney, I will add that so far all we have is a polemic from Nelson's side, which is not evidence.

In the final analysis, this would not be a smart move for Cuban, since established coaches would now be leery of taking the Dallas job. Also, it certainly doesn't look good to the outside world. That said, 6.5 million dollars buys a LOT of pride.