Yi Jianlian will demand a trade ala Francis

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Originally Posted by michaelwcho

T Parker, I like the word "playerhater". It concisely describes the motives of those who attack out of pure jealousy and impotence. Few people on this board are in Milwaukee, and no Spur fan is adversely hurt by a player putting his chips on table and trying to win a hand. Thus this inchoate rage at his trying to get ahead can only be accounted for by jealousy.

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You said it yourself: Few people here are in Milwaukee, so there's no personal stake wrapped up in this, but we're all NBA fans and there' a question of fairness and following the rules. There's a reason there's a draft order, and there's a reason there's a draft. The players that make millions of dollars to play a kid's game only have a couple of requirements in order to do so, and for people to get annoyed when a player and his handlers decide that they alone are above the system and don't have to play by the rules, even before they've even proven anything, is hardly surprising.

The term "playerhater" is intellectually lazy and narrow-minded, and is intended to shout down opposing viewpoints much the same way as a cry of racism is. The fact that you lack the imagination to think of a reason for opposing viewpoints other than jealousy or impotence speaks more about you than of others.

You play for who picks you, or you sit at home for a year. I'd like to see him on the court, but fuck him if he's going to come in and grandstand. I understand that he's being handled, but he's the face of it, so he will bear the brunt of the backlash. Many people loathe a prima donna. China's going to fuck up and cost themselves dearly in the PR department if they aren't careful.

bravo Obstructed. Bravo.

"It's a surprise to me. ... I'm not really familiar with the city as well, but I'm happy to be playing with the team and happy to play in the NBA." - Yi

Good that he has that attitude.

Now he needs to tell his "peeps" to STFU.

At least Yi wore the Bucks cap for photos.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Good that he has that attitude.

Now he needs to tell his "peeps" to STFU.

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Not so simple when you are dealing with the Chinese government. :)

But the endless attacking of him in this thread is crazy when it's not really his opinion.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Not so simple when you are dealing with the Chinese government. :)

But the endless attacking of him in this thread is crazy when it's not really his opinion.

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The fact that he says all the right things when a microphone's in his face has little to do with what he actually thinks. You of all people should know that.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

The fact that he says all the right things when a microphone's in his face has little to do with what he actually thinks. You of all people should know that.

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So you know what he actually thinks? Bravo.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

So you know what he actually thinks? Bravo.

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Um, only one of us is acting like they know what he actually thinks, and it ain't me. I'm not attacking him, I'm annoyed at the situation, and I'm withholding judgment for now. That's all.

You guys kill me. you do realize this guy is from comunist china. he is not speaking his mind. he is saying whatever his peeps tell him to.

he is like ivan drago...

that being said, I beleive its his peeps who do not want him to play in milwakee. he is a kid who is under controll of comunist goverment. do not blame the kid.

Why is anyone surprised? There are holdouts each year in every major sport aren't there?

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

You said it yourself: Few people here are in Milwaukee, so there's no personal stake wrapped up in this, but we're all NBA fans and there' a question of fairness and following the rules. There's a reason there's a draft order, and there's a reason there's a draft. The players that make millions of dollars to play a kid's game only have a couple of requirements in order to do so, and for people to get annoyed when a player and his handlers decide that they alone are above the system and don't have to play by the rules, even before they've even proven anything, is hardly surprising.

The term "playerhater" is intellectually lazy and narrow-minded, and is intended to shout down opposing viewpoints much the same way as a cry of racism is. The fact that you lack the imagination to think of a reason for opposing viewpoints other than jealousy or impotence speaks more about you than of others.

You play for who picks you, or you sit at home for a year. I'd like to see him on the court, but fuck him if he's going to come in and grandstand. I understand that he's being handled, but he's the face of it, so he will bear the brunt of the backlash. Many people loathe a prima donna. China's going to fuck up and cost themselves dearly in the PR department if they aren't careful.

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Thanks for taking the time to express your point of view.

It's not surprising that they are "annoyed" (ie call out racial epithets and tell him to go back to China), but it is petty. Especially when it's not backed up by anything other than a negative emoticon.

When you say fairness and following the rules, fair to who? The NBA does not exist in a vacuum, as you know, and most things that occur have reasons that are far from readily apparent. As far as I am concerned, fairness first stems from the sort of individual rights that the Founders called for... if you can show a higher good than that, fine.

It's true that "playerhater" can be intellectually lazy, but in looking at the object of my wrath, are you really going to say I am wrong. Against TPark and those guys who just got banned? What do you really think?

I would say that there is one other reason besides jealously, and that is allegiance to the idea of rules, of order. In other words, the rules say this, he seems to be circumventing the rules, so he's wrong. I understand that many people have a strong emotional attachment to rules themselves; but the true ethics lie beyond the rules, to the rights and human reasons for which the rules exist. Again, I yield to one who goes this deep, but blind allegiance to rules for rules sake is ridiculous.

I have noticed that most people take the owners' sides in any sort of contract holdout situation, perhaps because the player is "breaking the rules". But it isn't it tempting to think that these people are also merely jealous of the athlete as it is, and this colors, if not creates, their emotions? Again, it's important to realize that the owners made the rules. Yes, the same owners who manage to get the public to buy them stadiums and then make money off them, the same owners who pay virtually no taxes by virtue of corporate power. Realize that the owners, and the entire class of powerful corporations to whom they belong, actually wrote many of the laws under which they benefit! So be wary of blind allegiance the rules!

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Originally Posted by T Park

We may not be hurt, but its a pathetic showing from a guy who is recieving a priveledge, NOT A RIGHT, in playing in the NBA. To say ""Im not going to Milwaukee" is complete bullshit.

The NBA draft is not a free market. You get drafted, you should be LUCKY to be drafted. You act like getting drafted is some sort of GIVEN.

Also the thing about me not liking the french would be wrong, one of my favorite players is from the Spurs, another plays for the lakers. I have nothing against the french other than their stupidity when it comes to world relations.


And uh, the whole BS about enronish owners?

I see you have the typical "They are out to get us" mantra.

"Fight the man" :rolleyes

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TPark, I see we are not really on the same level here. You see, I was making a joke that you WERE French, since your name is TPark. Get it now?

Actually the French are quite good at international relations. They also happen to be one of the few countries that will stand up to the US when their interests and ours don't coincide. You do realize that each country has its own interests, and just because we want something, doesn't mean it's morally wrong for someone else to refuse? It's called Realpolitik (google it).

Because he is working in our great country, Yi actually DOES have a right to play in the NBA--that is, if someone will pay him. His extraordinary talent also gives him a bit of leverage. Maybe it will help him get to Boston or LA, maybe it will land him in Siberia. You also have a right to work and a right to demand more money from your employer. If you're a valuable enough worker, you will get it, too. You would deserve it too...wouldn't you? Or maybe we should take your boss' side, since he's probably a big corporation and thus deserves our support.

Dude, they have buffets in Milwaukee also.. WTF?

Everyone knows how the Chinese government tried to shut Yao up for speaking up about his Olympic teammates and threatening to not send any more players to the States. The Chinese government sucks, don't blame this all on Yi. Milwaukee sucks huge donkey nuts by the way for anyone who has not been not there. It's right next to Minnesota, both places suck actually.

I apologize, I've directed most of my anger at Yi, when it should be at the situation of the government, and I'm hopefull the NBA tells the government to shove it.

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TPark, I see we are not really on the same level here. You see, I was making a joke that you WERE French, since your name is TPark. Get it now?

Actually the French are quite good at international relations. They also happen to be one of the few countries that will stand up to the US when their interests and ours don't coincide. You do realize that each country has its own interests, and just because we want something, doesn't mean it's morally wrong for someone else to refuse? It's called Realpolitik (google it).

Because he is working in our great country, Yi actually DOES have a right to play in the NBA--that is, if someone will pay him. His extraordinary talent also gives him a bit of leverage. Maybe it will help him get to Boston or LA, maybe it will land him in Siberia. You also have a right to work and a right to demand more money from your employer. If you're a valuable enough worker, you will get it, too. You would deserve it too...wouldn't you? Or maybe we should take your boss' side, since he's probably a big corporation and thus deserves our support.

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Actually the french are hypocritical thieves in their govt wise, but thats neither here nor there.

I am not french, I am 100% american. Like I said, I have nothing against the french, just their wuss attitude.

Where your wrong is, he ISNT working in our country.

Hes working in China, and he applied to be drafted in the NBA.

he was lucky enough that the Bucks are stupid enough to draft him.

But just because hes drafted, doesnt give him the right, if he was dictating where to play, to say "Im not playing here"

Excuse me? You are who again?

No one, from JD Drew and John Elway, to Yi, to Albert Pujols, when they are drafted by a major league sports club say "I am not playing there"

You suck it up, you zip your lip, work hard, play well, and when your a free agent, you go where you want.

BTW, boycott Chinese products.

Almost impossible I know, but I try and do it as much as possible.

You guys do realize that if Yi speaks out the Chinese governments response would likely be to ask him if he has preference for which prison his family will spend the rest of their lives in....



Just kidding...they wouldn't ask him if he has a preference.

Very true.

I don't see what the big deal is, Milwaukee knew a LONG time ago he didn't wanna play in that city. They weren't even allowed into his private workouts. What did they expect?

I freakin' love Milwaukee. They basically gave China the bird by drafting someone that was coming to play for a team in a free country. They're BS doesn't apply over here. When another country comes into the U.S. and starts trying to make their own rules with respect to a business with the majority of its interests in America, I say piss off.

Well hey, at least he's not named after a duck's dork.

As long as it is China that is pushing for this...that is lame.

I'd say fuck China but they will own the world in about 40 years.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Good that he has that attitude.

Now he needs to tell his "peeps" to STFU.

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Not that easy!