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[QUOTE=T Park]I apologize, I've directed most of my anger at Yi, when it should be at the situation of the government, and I'm hopefull the NBA tells the government to shove it.
Blame the league for allowing it to happen. If league made a rule on this, then none this will happen.
Obstructed says the things TPark's brain wishes it could produce.
People are too fucking touchy around here....to each his fucking own....ppl should learn not to pay attention to the "ignorant opinions", the "racist comments", or just plain lack of maturity shown by others...everyone believes differently and has equal rights to excercise freedom of speech....just because they are ignorant redneck cunts doesnt mean we should not afford them the same rights as the rest of us....basically forcing jesus down my throat...Just Kidding....Ban the fuckers.... :spin If I am not banned than this just isnt fair....lol...jk...But i shouldnt have used the word rednecks....they are in fact some kind of mutated unintelligible race aint they? But seriously im a cracker, not a redneck, for those who care to know....but i lean like a cholo, with my elbows up or to my side or something like that....Whatever the ghetto song depicts...
Regardless of whether it's his decision or his "people"'s, it's not like this hasn't been done before by good old 'Murican boys like Danny Ferry and Eli Manning, so what's the big deal? It's now a part of sports business life.
This is a fair point, and my response is that we have the ability to decide for ourselves whether these rules are good and just rules. The fact the rules may have originated from management (although many rules regarding player movement have been collectively bargained) doesn't automatically mean that the rules are unjust or unethical.Quote:
I would say that there is one other reason besides jealously, and that is allegiance to the idea of rules, of order. In other words, the rules say this, he seems to be circumventing the rules, so he's wrong. I understand that many people have a strong emotional attachment to rules themselves; but the true ethics lie beyond the rules, to the rights and human reasons for which the rules exist. Again, I yield to one who goes this deep, but blind allegiance to rules for rules sake is ridiculous.
I have noticed that most people take the owners' sides in any sort of contract holdout situation, perhaps because the player is "breaking the rules". But it isn't it tempting to think that these people are also merely jealous of the athlete as it is, and this colors, if not creates, their emotions? Again, it's important to realize that the owners made the rules. Yes, the same owners who manage to get the public to buy them stadiums and then make money off them, the same owners who pay virtually no taxes by virtue of corporate power. Realize that the owners, and the entire class of powerful corporations to whom they belong, actually wrote many of the laws under which they benefit! So be wary of blind allegiance the rules!
Big markets have monetary advantages over small markets, so the salary cap and the draft were put into place to level the playing field a bit. While the draft may be unfair to a few individuals, it makes for a better league by attempting to spread the top talent across the league. Maybe an annual New York-Los Angeles NBA Finals would be good for TV ratings, but it would be dreadful for fans in cities like Portland, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Salt Lake City (and many others) if those fans knew that the league made no attempt to give those cities a chance to compete.
Should New York and Los Angeles have it all while the rest of us have nothing? Of course not. That's why we get upset when players pull these shenanigans. It's not a collective fit of xenophobia, nor is it a knee-jerk reaction to side with the owners. We know a fair system when we see it.
Kobe, Francis, Yi, and anyone else can go wherever they want once their rookie deal is up. Until then, they have an obligation to the league and the city that invested a draft choice in them.
Yeah, because a soft center that shoots jumpers and can't bang on the inside is something we're sorely lacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk Nowitzki
I heard that when Yao lashed against his teammates, a large group of people said it that it was the result of a bunch of negative, American influence. Take some goddamn responsibility instead of making a scapegoat out of the US every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Why?
Perhaps they expected some kind of compromise seeing as how in a situation where the team and player want different things, the team gets priority. Why have a draft if the players pick which teams to go to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Holmes_Fans
As always, the situation of international players "working in our great country" becomes a touchy subject. The good things about it: promotes basketball all over the world, increases diversity, makes for better international relations and appeals to a large group of people (good for marketing and business). Well, no one really looks at the bad things. The players improve their skills via top notch competition/trainers like Chip Englland. There is no clause that says that these players must stop from competing in international competitions however and as we know, Tony Parker won't suddenly forget his new found jumpshot when the Olympics roll around. Point #2: All of that money paid represents a leakage in the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelwcho
The point of my going through this was to illustrate that being in the NBA clearly provides a greater advantage to the player than to the team. And like most other people have said, it's ridiculous how much professional athletes are paid. Gary Sheffield says that Hispanics are easy to control; most people would be quick to say that you'd be stupid to not do what you're told when you're making that much money. I agree with this sentiment. Playing in the NBA is an absolute advantage and everyone IS undoubtedly jealous of these players. So what? That's exactly why they're entitled to criticize them. There are millions of people who would love to be in his shoes, and they would do his job without the lip.
Like others have said, no one really knows what Yi is thinking. And until those puppeteers known as the Chinese government back off, we'll probably never know. The Chinese government is threatening to not send any more players to the states? That's a double edged sword if I've ever seen one. The 2003 All-Star game (the controversial one where Yao started over Shaq) was broadcasted over and over in China as camera crews showcased Yao's only points in the game from an overhead, isometric and side view.
I'm quite sure most of the people chastising Yi would do the same, were he a European, Australian or African player with an equal amount of skill and hype. It's not about his race because guys like Kobe Bryant and others have received the same amount of rightful criticism. Also, I don't like the word playerhate. I just don't; it sounds like something someone who is trying to be 'with the times' would say. No offense to you michaelwcho; I can fully deduce why you're defending Yi and I, myself and part Asian. But that doesn't change anything for me.
lol at Findog
Its pretty simple Little Wang...
Play your three years , prove yourself with the Bucks, then opt out for big bucks and go wherever you want.
How many times have you gone to battle in Iraq tough guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Elway and his daddy pulled the same shit in 83. The difference is Yi has a cultural barrier. Wouldn't you want to go to a place where you felt comfortable(rhetorical, I know you can't think outside of your own selfish interests?)
Yi Jianlian (EE TEE-an-LEE-an)
Yi Jinlian Drafted #6 Overall 2007 NBA Draft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR5SM5Vo0Vk
http://www.thefirst.cn/mmsource/imag...ws010005_5.jpg
Full Name: Yi Jianlian
Position: Forward
Height/Weight: 7-0/ 238
Birthdate: October 27, 1987 (He Shan, Guang Dong, China)
High School:
Team: Guandong Southern Tigers (China)
Country: China
Career Highlights: Has competed in the last five Chinese Basketball Association (CBA) Finals, and won titles in 2004, 2005 and 2006. Earned Finals MVP in 2006. Competed for the Chinese National Team at the 2004 Olympics and 2006 FIBA World Championship. Earned CBA Rookie of the Year in 2003.
(2006-07): Averaged 24.9 points, 11.5 rebounds and 1.8 blocks in 30.7 minutes per game in the CBA for Guandong. Posted 20 points and 23 rebounds vs. Zhe Jiang, a season-high 42 points (18-for-23 FGs) and 13 rebounds vs. Shanghai, 31 points and 18 rebounds vs. Shandong, 40 points (17-for-26 FGs) and 13 rebounds vs. Beijing, 35 points and 12 rebounds vs. Liao Ning, 38 points (14-for-19 FGs) and 10 rebounds vs. Shanghai, and 32 points (14-for-18 FGs) and 17 rebounds vs. Shanghai. Led Guandong to the CBA Finals, losing in five games to Bayi.
Yi Jianlian top ten dunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHjuRoTLxA
http://img.q2w.cn/2007-1/122515705.jpg
http://cimg2.163.com/catchpic/3/33/3...71D56000B6.jpg
http://www.8mx.com/tiyumingxing/yiji.../pic_54807.jpg
http://pic1.agenow.com/tmp/0603/29/0053504014315.jpg
http://news.zj.com/sports/img/822545_1.jpg
Over 1,300,000,000 Chinese support Yi
Go "Big E" Go
Kori,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
I appreciate you pointing this out because my agitation was not directed at Yi, but more "his people." I'm sick of the Chinese government and they way they treat their "celebrities".
I know it's not his fault, but IMO the NBA should tell the Chinese government to STFU.
Thank you for the well-reasoned argument. I agree that the idea of a level playing field for NBA franchises is solid, and something for which to aim. I think you're being a little charitable when you describe the motivations of some of the posters here--calling Yi a "gook" hardly seems to have much to do with the sytem of ethics you endorse.Quote:
Originally Posted by SRJ
I think this issue is being confused somewhat, because it's actually free-agency, that is free choice, that is the great leveler. Boston and LA won their championships in eras when it was the players' jobs to "shut up and play". They had no choice in where they would play, so that's irrelevant. Parity is somewhat more likely now--if Milwaukee could score Garnett, they would instantly be in the playoffs (for example).
It's also extremely rare for a draft pick to hold out to get what he wants--only a few cases can even be named. One of which, Eli Manning, seems pretty ridiculous. Sure, he forced his way to media capital NY, and in the process, created a powerhouse in small market San Diego and saddled NY with a poor QB with a big contract. So let's not jump to conclusions here :)
If we look at the big-market teams right now--Boston, New York, LA, Chicago, we can see that managerial competence and luck of the draw are much more important than big city advantages. They got whipped by teams from Cleveland, led by someone from Ohio, and SA and its cadre of team-first players.
I remember reading in an article that it was considered somewhat of a longshot that DRob would sign here as a rookie. And also that we almost lost Timmie to the fair shores of Florida. Even writing these words makes my stomach jump. :)
Cecil, eventually I realized I was talking to a wall. :donkeyQuote:
Originally Posted by cecil collins
I beg to differ. If you are looking at player salaries, then yes, of course. We have money going back to Yugoslavia, Argentina, Brazil, and now even China. But ask yourself why David Stern wants to globalize the NBA. Is it because of some charitable munificence, or does he expect to make money? The NBA is looking to globalize because it wants Chinese money to flow into the NBA. I take it as an article of faith that the money being paid to the players is only a fraction of what the owners are receiving; therefore the globalization effort can only result in a net gain to the US economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by v2freak
Of course, this assumes quite a few things: That rich athletes buy domestic cars, domestic champagne, domestic diamonds; and that the money a corporate ownership group makes "trickles" down to the rest of us. These factors complicate the issue somewhat. Personally, I have never gained either from an NBA player's money or an owner's money with two exceptions: once, Brian Cook gave me a tip, and once Charles Barkley bought me a drink :)
Actually, you're right. I shouldn't have said "all of that money", but I believe that a large portion of it is lost. I'm willing to stake that most NBA players spend more money in their native lands than in the US. Sure, during the regular season they dine in the US and rent places/buy houses, but look at guys like Barbosa. He sends a hell of a lot of money back to his family in Brazil. A myriad of other countries that aren't as prominent as China financially are getting a lot of money this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelwcho
On a side note, I find that a lot of the stuff I own that breaks down a lot is made in China :(
It's an interesting predicament that the US has gotten itself into. While the NBA may make a profit, the US overall loses, financially and competitively. Businessmen are some of the most selfish people I've ever known.
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Of course, this assumes quite a few things: That rich athletes buy domestic cars, domestic champagne, domestic diamonds; and that the money a corporate ownership group makes "trickles" down to the rest of us. These factors complicate the issue somewhat. Personally, I have never gained either from an NBA player's money or an owner's money with two exceptions: once, Brian Cook gave me a tip, and once Charles Barkley bought me a drink :)
I am a Chinese from Hong Kong. As far as I know, it is his agent or maybe the sports authority of China that demands he be traded to a city with large Chinese/Asian population. Actually Yi Jianlian himself has no say in where to play.
Sure, it's not like french people said six years ago what a majority of american people are finally saying now...Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Please, stop watching Fox news.
(I usualy don't go political but you're too much of a cliché.)
Bucks should do what the Grizzlies SHOULD have done, refuse to trade him and make an example of him.
I'm sure he'll enjoy playing for the DingDong Dragons or whatever back in China!
T park,Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Please STFU.
Sincerely.
France.
Don't make me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/...der_2005-10-25
:spin :rolleyes
...and become part of the biggest chocking organization on the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk Nowitzki
Watch out; you might get put in time out too by the moral minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
Yi is the superstar in whole China
I'm proud of him, he is just 19 ...7 '0" tall,, inside well, jumper well
All Chinese support him No matter what he does
Go "Big Yi" Go~~~~~~~
WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapper