Scola for Nocioni Picking Up Steam?

What will Bulls do with Noc?
Exploring trade options for forward seems to make sense
By Mike McGraw

Bulls first-round draft pick Joakim Noah didn’t make it to Chicago in time for Friday’s introductory news conference. The event was rescheduled for Monday and should also include second-round picks Aaron Gray and JamesOn Curry.

That means Noah and the second-rounders won’t be holding up their Bulls jerseys for the cameras until after the NBA’s free-agent negotiating period begins Sunday.

The Bulls’ primary questions in free agency won’t revolve around which players they might sign. It’s a thin group, particularly among big men. The biggest issues are what happens to two of their own free agents, Andres Nocioni and P.J. Brown.

Nocioni is restricted, which means the Bulls can match any offer he receives from another team. The Bulls won’t allow the Argentina native to walk away with nothing in return, but they do face a tough decision this summer.

As popular as Nocioni has been among fans, teammates and coaches, he doesn’t fit in particularly well on the Bulls’ roster. If Nocioni returns, he’ll either have to play power forward at 6-feet-7 or back up small forward Luol Deng.

Factor in that Nocioni will be seeking a contract in the neighborhood of $6 million to $7 million per season, and it appears obvious the Bulls will at least explore sign-and-trade opportunities.

“I think it’s really clear that the city, management and the coaching staff love this guy,” said Mike Cound, one of Nocioni’s representatives. “And he loves them. He likes everything about the Bulls, but he’s a realist.”

That means Nocioni is ready for anything this summer, though he’d have to agree to a new destination. He’s resting at his ranch in Argentina, wearing a walking boot to alleviate a persistent bout of plantar fasciitis in his right foot.

Cound is hoping to resolve Nocioni’s status quickly, but that may not be possible. The Bulls addressed their need for height by drafting Noah and would like to add an interior scorer.

That’s easier said than done.

General manager John Paxson figures to monitor Kevin Garnett’s status this summer. Minnesota seemed intent on trading Garnett before the draft and never succeeded. Memphis forward Pau Gasol is a potential target if the asking price is less than it was in February.

Another player to consider is 6-9 Argentinean power forward Luis Scola, who averaged 17 points and 7.2 rebounds in the Spanish league for Tau Ceramica. San Antonio has held Scola’s rights since 2002, and he has a sizable buyout in his Spanish contract. But so did Nocioni.

Scola, 27, is a potential inside scorer and has been billed by some as the best player not currently in the NBA. Theoretically, the Spurs could sign Scola and send him to the Bulls in a sign-and-trade for Nocioni. Cound represents both players.

Brown is another sign-and-trade candidate, though the Bulls wouldn’t mind having the 37-year-old power forward return for another season. Brown’s agent, Mark Bartelstein, said Brown is out of the country on vacation and would not make any decisions until he returns next week.

The Bulls may pursue Philadelphia free agent Joe Smith as a veteran presence if Brown does not return. The other prominent big men on the market are San Antonio’s Melvin Ely, New Jersey’s Mikki Moore and the Lakers’ Chris Mihm, who missed all of last season with an injury.

Cleveland’s Anderson Varejao, Orlando’s Darko Milicic and San Antonio’s Fabricio Oberto are restricted free agents.

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/story.asp?id=327621

Luis Scola, Melvin Ely (sign and trade), Brent Barry (for salary matching purposes) and a picks (Spurs and Raptors 2008 second rounders?) for Andres Nocioni?

Make it happen.

:hungry:

A post-Bowen swingman rotation of Ginobili, Nocioni, White and Williams would cover just about ever possible attribute. You'd have the heart (Ginobili), the toughness (Nocioni), the athlete (White) and the playmaker (Williams).

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Originally Posted by timvp

Luis Scola, Melvin Ely (sign and trade), Brent Barry (for salary matching purposes) and a picks (Spurs and Raptors 2008 second rounders?) for Andres Nocioni?

Make it happen.

:hungry:

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Hell yeah.

Mcgraw is Bulls' Ludden. If he speaks about Scola, it likely means that Bulls are interested in him.
I can see too Bulls including Duhon to match salaries in a Nocioni S&T.

Damn, Pop and R.C. got to make this happen!

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Originally Posted by timvp

Luis Scola, Melvin Ely (sign and trade), Brent Barry (for salary matching purposes) and a picks (Spurs and Raptors 2008 second rounders?) for Andres Nocioni?

Make it happen.

:hungry:

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I've been makin' a list
And checkin' it twice
And Duhon too
Would really be nice


:santahat

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He’s resting at his ranch in Argentina, wearing a walking boot to alleviate a persistent bout of plantar fasciitis in his right foot

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Pop is still the argentinian pampa, waiting the free agency deadline to speak with Nocioni a la 03' Rasho.

Is that really a possibility? Does Scola still have that large buyout? I think it would only make sense, if Scola would play for the Bulls THIS year. I would really love that trade. If they could somehow get Duhon involved the Spurs are ready!

Parker/ Duhon/ Vaughn
Gino/ Finley/ White
Bowen/ Nocioni
TD/ Horry/ Bonner
Oberto/ Elson/ Butler

Looks awesome...

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Mcgraw is Bulls' Ludden. If he speaks about Scola, it likely means that Bulls are interested in him.
I can see too Bulls including Duhon to match salaries in a Nocioni S&T.

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Outside of the big three + Bowen, I can't really think of a trade that'd be a bad one in which the Spurs got back Nocioni.

I'll drive Barry, Finley, Scola, Mahinmi, Splitter, Beno, Vaughn, Ely, Bonner, Elson, Oberto, Butler or any combination of them to the airport. I don't think Duhon is that good but if the Bulls want to throw him in, that'd be fine.

Bulls could be very interested in Splitter with Wallace aging.

I'm not a Duhon fan too. He can be one of the best backup PG in the league but he was one of the worst last year. I speak about him because bulls will likely have to add some filler because of the BYC rule and because words is that he is on the trading block.

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I don't think Duhon is that good but if the Bulls want to throw him in, that'd be fine.

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Well, I agree. IMO he not great but is better than Vaughn/ Beno, so he would also be an upgade. He doesn't turn the ball over much and has a good shot. He is also able to knock down a 3. He is also a okay defender. I would like it.

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Bulls could be very interested in Splitter with Wallace aging.

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Splitter was a nice pick but if it takes Scola, Splitter, Mahinmi and Bary for Nocioni, I probably do it.

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I'm not a Duhon fan. He can be one of the best backup PG in the league but he was one of the worst last year. I speak about him because bulls will likely have to add some filler because of the BYC rule.

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Yeah, Duhon turned into a drunk at some point along the line. Although he'd fit the Udrih role rather well ... especially when it comes to the night club action part of the role :)

:wow

Ginobili + Oberto + Nocioni = Argentine Mafia

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Originally Posted by timvp

A post-Bowen swingman rotation of Ginobili, Nocioni, White and Williams would cover just about ever possible attribute. You'd have the heart (Ginobili), the toughness (Nocioni), the athlete (White) and the playmaker (Williams).

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i rarely agree with you, it seems, but i love this idea. i, too, hope it happens. good stuff...

Another question is what expirings are the most interesting for Bulls :
Barry is maybe the best player available but I'm not sure they want him back after the year he spend in Chicago.
Udrih has some upside but Bulls like though players.
Butler has too some upside but do they want him after the Sweetney failure ?
They could be interested in Bonner to stretch the floor. If Spurs get Nocioni, Bonner will be less usefull for Spurs.
I don't see how White can help them.
Doing a S&T with an unrestricted free agent like Ely is quite difficult.

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Originally Posted by timvp

A post-Bowen swingman rotation of Ginobili, Nocioni, White and Williams would cover just about ever possible attribute. You'd have the heart (Ginobili), the toughness (Nocioni), the athlete (White) and the playmaker (Williams).

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More like the guy who's really good (Ginobili), the guy who's pretty good (Nocioni), the guy who's decent (White), and the guy who'll suck out loud (Williams). :rolleyes

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Originally Posted by aaronstampler

More like the guy who's really good (Ginobili), the guy who's pretty good (Nocioni), the guy who's decent (White), and the guy who'll suck out loud (Williams). :rolleyes

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Relax. Everyone on earth knows Manu is by far the best of that foursome. He doesn't need to be put on a pedestal every time his name is mentioned. It's a given he's great.

I thought the chances of landing Nocioni were slim to none, but if they can get him with a package of Scola, Barry, + non-TD big man that would be huge. What are the realistic chances of this actually happening given Scola's buyout and importance to Tau?

It would be awesome to see Manu (praises be upon him), Nocioni and Oberto on the Spurs!

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Another question is what expirings are the most interesting for Bulls :
Barry is maybe the best player available but I'm not sure they want him back after the year he spend in Chicago.
Udrih has some upside but Bulls like though players.
Butler has too some upside but do they want him after the Sweetney failure ?
They could be interested in Bonner to stretch the floor. If Spurs get Nocioni, Bonner will be less usefull for Spurs.
I don't see how White can help them.
Doing a S&T with an unrestricted free agent like Ely is quite difficult.

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Yeah, I'm trying to figure that out as well.

Scola - Would fit on the Bulls so well it's kinda scary, actually. Gives them a low post scorer they need. Will play next to Wallace so his short comings on defense won't be exposed as much. He actually makes a lot of sense for Chicago ... much more sense than he makes for the Spurs.

Mahinmi & Splitter - Both are pretty good prospects who would fit pretty well on Chicago. The Bulls might ask for one of them to be included in a package.

Barry - Yeah, he had a bad stint there in '99 ... but then again, the coaches, GM and all the players are different. Oh and his wife is from Chicago, so at least she'd be cool with it I assume.

Ely - Could be used as filler if needed. Bulls might want him because the on thing Ely can do is post up.

Udrih, White & Butler - Decent prospects with one year contracts. If the Bulls want one, they'd be worth losing for Nocioni.

Bonner - I think he could co-exist with Nocioni once Horry retires. That said, if the Bulls want him they can have him.

Elson - He might be a dark horse candidate to be wanted by the Bulls. He fits their up and down game and they don't have much at center. Plus his contract is an expiring one. With the pick of Splitter, Elson became more expendable than he was before the draft for the Spurs.

Vaughn, Horry, Oberto, Finley - Either too old, too slow or too unathletic for what the Bulls need. I doubt they'd want any of them.

Parker/Duhon/Vaughn
Ginobili/Finley/White
Bowen/Nocioni/Williams
Duncan/Horry/Bonner
Oberto/Butler/Elson

I like that depth chart rather a lot, and it would give us a youngster at each position too - not that they will all pan out, but it injects some youth.

As for Duhon, maybe a trip to a team like ours will re-focus him on basketball and making the most out of his career before it evaporates.

Make it so!

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Relax. Everyone on earth knows Manu is by far the best of that foursome. He doesn't need to be put on a pedestal every time his name is mentioned. It's a given he's great.

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That wasn't my point. I'd have let your post go if it wasn't the part about Williams being a "playmaker." As you might have guessed, I'm highly dubious that he'll ever amount to anything. I know at #33 it really doesn't matter either way, but I don't get why the Spurs would pick a wing player whose weaknesses are 1) 3 point shooting 2) defense 3) team first attitude.

How exactly does that qualify him to be a Spur? Sounds like the Nuggets shoulda taken him with one of their non-existent picks. We could do a sign and trade for Steve Blake and have him be our backup PG.

why dont we go for Herman and Delfino also that would be the ultimate Argie Mafia...by the way j/k

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Scola - Would fit on the Bulls so well it's kinda scary, actually. Gives them a low post scorer they need. Will play next to Wallace so his short comings on defense won't be exposed as much. He actually makes a lot of sense for Chicago ... much more sense than he makes for the Spurs.

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absolutly agree on this. the problem? Bulls need a player, who delivers right from the start. Scola is expirienced, but they don't know, if he will be able to make the transistion to NBA quickly enough.

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Mahinmi & Splitter - Both are pretty good prospects who would fit pretty well on Chicago. The Bulls might ask for one of them to be included in a package.

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don't agree on this. Splitter is almost identical to Noah, but Noah is the more talented player. Ian is very similar to Tyrus Thomas, who has much more upside. so both are of a minor interst for the Bulls IMO.

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That wasn't my point. I'd have let your post go if it wasn't the part about Williams being a "playmaker." As you might have guessed, I'm highly dubious that he'll ever amount to anything. I know at #33 it really doesn't matter either way, but I don't get why the Spurs would pick a wing player whose weaknesses are 1) 3 point shooting 2) defense 3) team first attitude.

How exactly does that qualify him to be a Spur? Sounds like the Nuggets shoulda taken him with one of their non-existent picks. We could do a sign and trade for Steve Blake and have him be our backup PG.

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Sounds like you should apply to be a scout for the Spurs. You could've saved them from themselves.

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Originally Posted by BeerIsGood!

I thought the chances of landing Nocioni were slim to none, but if they can get him with a package of Scola, Barry, + non-TD big man that would be huge. What are the realistic chances of this actually happening given Scola's buyout and importance to Tau?

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It probably improve from 1% to maybe 10% now that the Bulls beat writer is mentioning it. The key to the deal is the Bulls have to be in love with Scola and think he's their missing piece. Otherwise, there are teams out there that can offer them more than just Scola and scraps.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Luis Scola, Melvin Ely (sign and trade), Brent Barry (for salary matching purposes) and a picks (Spurs and Raptors 2008 second rounders?) for Andres Nocioni?

Make it happen.

:hungry:

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it's the nba, so this sounds like it makes too much sense to actually happen.

I was thinking that Elson might be a nice fit on the Bulls. But ChiTown already has a decent amount of bigs and they just drafted 2 more (Joakim Noah, Aaron Gray). Interestingly enough, the Spurs did have a fair amount of interest in Aaron Gray last year (enough that we wanted to trade into the bottom half of the first round to get him). I would be more than willing to send them Elson and grab up a guy like Gray just for kicks. Hes worth a look, but if it doesn't work out...hes still just a second rounder.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/photos...17pittbb-b.jpg

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Originally Posted by aaronstampler

That wasn't my point. I'd have let your post go if it wasn't the part about Williams being a "playmaker." As you might have guessed, I'm highly dubious that he'll ever amount to anything. I know at #33 it really doesn't matter either way, but I don't get why the Spurs would pick a wing player whose weaknesses are 1) 3 point shooting 2) defense 3) team first attitude.

How exactly does that qualify him to be a Spur? Sounds like the Nuggets shoulda taken him with one of their non-existent picks. We could do a sign and trade for Steve Blake and have him be our backup PG.

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You do realize taht athleates don't grow on trees, right? You take a flyer on a guy at 33 that has a shitload of potential. Thats what you do with picks that late. Everything you mentioned can be taught, natural talent can't.

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I was thinking that Elson might be a nice fit on the Bulls. But ChiTown already has a decent amount of bigs and they just drafted 2 more (Joakim Noah, Aaron Gray). Interestingly enough, the Spurs did have a fair amount of interest in Aaron Gray last year (enough that we wanted to trade into the bottom half of the first round to get him). I would be more than willing to send them Elson and grab up a guy like Gray just for kicks. Hes worth a look, but if it doesn't work out...hes still just a second rounder.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/photos...17pittbb-b.jpg

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Why would the Spurs want to get rid of Elson after just one season? Remember he presents an athletic element at the 5 spot that the Spurs do not currently have.

The more I look at Bulls roster, the more I think that Bonner is the Spurs that will interest Bulls to be the filler in a Nocioni for Scola trade.
If Bulls trade Nocioni, they won't have a single SF, PF or C able to shoot 3's.

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Originally Posted by BeerIsGood!

What are the realistic chances of this actually happening given Scola's buyout and importance to Tau?

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Scola's buyout won't be a factor.
Spurs will negotiate with Scola about the buyout before the trade and will know what contract Scola ask to go in nba (if he is still interested).
Bulls will just have to give him this contract after the trade.

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The more I look at Bulls roster, the more I think that Bonner is the Spurs that will interest Bulls to be the filler in a Nocioni for Scola trade.
If Bulls trade Nocioni, they won't have a single SF, PF or C able to shoot 3's.

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If I'm the Spurs, I do not let go of Bonner.

However back to Nocioni, does anyone have an idea as to how he fits in with this roster? From what little I've seen of him, I know he's a 6'7" forward, can shoot the 3 ball and is very tough minded. However, I'm wondering if he has the quicks to play and defend the SF position or the power to play PF in a small ball lineup. What does he do best? What are his limitations?

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Luis Scola, Melvin Ely (sign and trade), Brent Barry (for salary matching purposes) and a picks (Spurs and Raptors 2008 second rounders?) for Andres Nocioni?

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Hell yes.

Does anyone think we're signing Hill?

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

If I'm the Spurs, I do not let go of Bonner.

However back to Nocioni, does anyone have an idea as to how he fits in with this roster? From what little I've seen of him, I know he's a 6'7" forward, can shoot the 3 ball and is very tough minded. However, I'm wondering if he has the quicks to play and defend the SF position or the power to play PF in a small ball lineup. What does he do best? What are his limitations?

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Losing Bonner won't be abig deal if Nocioni come.

Nocioni is a tweener. Using him only at the SF spot or at the PF spot would be a mistake. Matchups will decide if he should play PF or SF.

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Losing Bonner won't be abig deal if Nocioni come.

Nocioni is a tweener. Using him only at the SF spot or at the PF spot would be a mistake. Matchups will decide if he should play PF or SF.

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I like Bonner because he's got a heavy motor. He hustles, rebounds and can shoot the 3 ball. This guy is an energy player. Given Horry's age and Pop's penchant for regulating Horry's minutes during the regular season, I was looking forward to seeing Bonner get more minutes next season.

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Another player to consider is 6-9 Argentinean power forward Luis Scola, who averaged 17 points and 7.2 rebounds in the Spanish league for Tau Ceramica. San Antonio has held Scola’s rights since 2002, and he has a sizable buyout in his Spanish contract. But so did Nocioni.

Scola, 27, is a potential inside scorer and has been billed by some as the best player not currently in the NBA. Theoretically, the Spurs could sign Scola and send him to the Bulls in a sign-and-trade for Nocioni. Cound represents both players.

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Problem with the whole premise- Spurs can't sign and trade Scola.

Actually- I looked it up and I thought you had to wait until Dec like others, but it looks like you only have to wait 30 days to trade a signed draft pick. Is that right? But, it's not technically a sign and trade so it would not be guaranteed to happen after those 30 days is up.

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I like Bonner because he's got a heavy motor. He hustles, rebounds and can shoot the 3 ball. This guy is an energy player. Given Horry's age and Pop's penchant for regulating Horry's minutes during the regular season, I was looking forward to seeing Bonner get more minutes next season.

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I like Bonner too but Nocioni can do the same think (hustle, rebound, shooting) and is better.
If Spurs get Nocioni and re-sign Bonner, Bonner won't get a lot of playtime next year.

If we can get Nocioni it would be perfect

according to the article Noci could get a payday of 6-7 mil, but that sounds kind of high to me, I was thinking more in the 5 mil range.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Bulls could be very interested in Splitter with Wallace aging.

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Don't think so. Just drafted Noah for that purpose - energetic rebounder and shot blocker with no offensive game. Sound familiar? Maybe it's just the hair.

this needs to become reality.

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

Does anyone think we're signing Hill?

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No. IMHO. He's as old as the wings we're trying to replace, and he doesn't shoot the three ball.

This trade makes too much sense, which is why it probably won't happen :depressed

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Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

Does anyone think we're signing Hill?

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From what he says sounds like he'll be playing for the Suns next year.

Wow timvp.

You were not so hot on Nocioni after his first season. Especially after what he did in the playoffs that year.

I like the fact he has convinced you his good!

Let's try to get Hermann and Delfino while we're at it. :smokin

I'm not down with giving away Ian, Splitter, or White....especially White.

These fellas are out future young guys and I rather keep them.

I like the combination of Scola, Barry, Udrih, Bonner, and Picks....I can live with that.

I would not give up Splitter, Ian, or White....and no Williams either.

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I'm not down with giving away Ian, Splitter, or White....especially White.

These fellas are out future young guys and I rather keep them.

I like the combination of Scola, Barry, Udrih, Bonner, and Picks....I can live with that.

I would not give up Splitter, Ian, or White....and no Williams either.

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Actually, I agree. Mainly with Mahinmi. To me, he should be off limits as far as trading goes (unless it's for someone way better, obviously).

The Spurs overseas projects should be left alone, except for Scola. The thing with Chicago is, they have a ton of talent at the 3 (Luol Deng broke out in the playoffs, and Thabo Sefolosha played pretty damn good) and no low-post presence. Scola, Bonner, Barry, and picks would work so damn well...and if they throw in Duhon, we add Beno. They get their low-post scorer, a SF/PF who can hit the three, and a league leader in 3PT%.

I've been pushing for Nocioni for a long time...hopefully the Spurs with Manu and Fabricio being the first Argentines ever to win a ring can sway Andres to come.

I'd be okay with sending Butler too....if necessary.

If Nocioni would get 6-7 mill from the Spurs I doubt that Scola would come for less to the Bulls. That would be insulting to him who has been rated over Nocioni in Errope. They have the same agent. I can't imagine him selling Scola on coming over for a cent less than Nocioni. If the Bulls will go for the buyout that the Spurs have been staunchly unwilling to make for 3 years, why isn't that just a one for one deal?
Why are so many people wanting to trade eveyone but the big four for him? He would come off the bench correct?
How much would Duhon cost vs Vaughn? More likely Duhon would be #3 at PG and we don't pay mills for that.

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If Nocioni would get 6-7 mill from the Spurs I doubt that Scola would come for less to the Bulls. That would be insulting to him who has been rated over Nocioni in Errope. They have the same agent. I can't imagine him selling Scola on coming over for a cent less than Nocioni. If the Bulls will go for the buyout that the Spurs have been staunchly unwilling to make for 3 years, why isn't that just a one for one deal?
Why are so many people wanting to trade eveyone but the big four for him? He would come off the bench correct?
How much would Duhon cost vs Vaughn? More likely Duhon would be #3 at PG and we don't pay mills for that.

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Nocioni didn´t make that kind of money on his 1 st season in the NBA,I don´t see why Luis should.
But I can see Scola making that kind of money in his 2nd or 3rd year in the NBA,or even more considering He is an interior scorer.

I think Nocioni on this team would be perfect, having said that I would NOT give up Scola, Mahinmi AND Splitter to get him. Scola, Barry, Ely, Bonner, Butler, Beno & picks I'm OK with, but I'm not OK with trading away the 3 best international prospects we have.

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However back to Nocioni, does anyone have an idea as to how he fits in with this roster?

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He tends to flop.

I would still rather have Scola then Noc

I'd imagine Nocioni as a big-line up SF, small-ball PF. He's got some range, is an effective shooter and rebounds at a fairly decent clip. On the Spurs, I could see him giving around 10-12 pts, 5 boards an some decent assist totals. I can't imagine his per game minutes would go above what he's currently averaging (round 25.6).

if the Bulls want to do a sign and trade for Ely/Barry for Noc then that wold be incredible


but Ely is prob the 10th guy they are looking at

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Why? Nocioni is 27 right now, fills the role the Spurs need to have filled (big SF, can play PF in small ball, lots of hustle and energy), he can hit the three, and he can slash to the rim and he is a decent rebounder. Give me Nocioni any day.

Duhon is due 3 mil. for nest season. Not to crazy taken on that contract, but if it means getting noci. then lets do it!!

Scola (S&T 4.5 mil.)+Butler (2.5 mil)+Beno (2 mil) for Noci (S&T 5.5 mil) + Duhon (3 mil)
-This would open an extra spot possibly for mahinmi..

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Originally Posted by yavozerb

Duhon is due 3 mil. for nest season. Not to crazy taken on that contract, but if it means getting noci. then lets do it!!

Scola (S&T 4.5 mil.)+Butler (2.5 mil)+Beno (2 mil) for Noci (S&T 5.5 mil) + Duhon (3 mil)
-This would open an extra spot possibly for mahinmi..

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Are we sure we can even Sign and trade Scola?

Why not Barry (4.5) + Beno (2) and rights to Scola just for Nocioni.

That way, you clear up a spot on the roster, get a player that helps you and both teams benefit.

How come people are talking about signing and trading Scola? Can we just trade rights to Scola?

Make it happen, please.

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Originally Posted by lotr1trekkie

If Nocioni would get 6-7 mill from the Spurs I doubt that Scola would come for less to the Bulls. That would be insulting to him who has been rated over Nocioni in Errope. They have the same agent. I can't imagine him selling Scola on coming over for a cent less than Nocioni. If the Bulls will go for the buyout that the Spurs have been staunchly unwilling to make for 3 years, why isn't that just a one for one deal?
Why are so many people wanting to trade eveyone but the big four for him? He would come off the bench correct?
How much would Duhon cost vs Vaughn? More likely Duhon would be #3 at PG and we don't pay mills for that.

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The difference is that Nocioni has produced in the NBA, while Scola has been playing ball in Europe. Nocioni didn't get a fat deal to start out with in the NBA, and neither should Scola.

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Originally Posted by ElliottFan

How come people are talking about signing and trading Scola? Can we just trade rights to Scola?

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IMO, two reasons why trading Scola's rights won't work:

1) A team trading for Scola would want to have a contract worked out in advance to ensure that he would be able to contribute to their team this year.

2) From a salary cap perspective, any player the Spurs get back in return must have the same value as what left, within 25%. So trading no dollars would have to essentially net no dollars (contract-wise) in return....it would have to be Scola's rights for a pick.

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

2) From a salary cap perspective, any player the Spurs get back in return must have the same value as what left, within 25%. So trading no dollars would have to essentially net no dollars (contract-wise) in return....it would have to be Scola's rights for a pick.

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So this trade can't work:
Rights to Scola($0), Brent Barry($5mil), Matt Bonner($3mil), and 2 2nd rounders for Nocioni($7.5mil)?

On this proposal....

I'm not sure if a Scola S&T would be enough to get Nocioni. The deal I think is more likely....

Scola (through S&T), Barry, and Beno for Nocioni (through S&T) and Duhon.

Bulls get low-post guy, shooter in the final year of his contract, and backup/third-string PG.

Spurs get veteran combo forward and backup PG.

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Originally Posted by ElliottFan

So this trade can't work:
Rights to Scola($0), Brent Barry($5mil), Matt Bonner($3mil), and 2 2nd rounders for Nocioni($7.5mil)?

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Actually, it can. Just because you're trading his rights doesn't mean OTHER players can't be exchanged. In addition, unless we want to use our MCE on him, you CAN'T just sign him to whatever contract and then trade him. It would have to work under the CBA for him to sign here before he can be traded.

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Originally Posted by ElliottFan

So this trade can't work:
Rights to Scola($0), Brent Barry($5mil), Matt Bonner($3mil), and 2 2nd rounders for Nocioni($7.5mil)?

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Actually no...but that's for a different reason.

See, according to the CBA, Nocioni would be a base-year compensation player. We really need Bruno for this discussion, but what it amounts to is that Nocioni (though making $6-8M) would only be worth $3-4M in a trade for salary-matching purposes.

In order to do that deal, I'm pretty sure you'd have to include a guy like Duhon.

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Originally Posted by ElliottFan

So this trade can't work:
Rights to Scola($0), Brent Barry($5mil), Matt Bonner($3mil), and 2 2nd rounders for Nocioni($7.5mil)?

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And again, why would a team trade away an asset like Nocioni for a player that they're not even sure will ever play for them?

Theres only one problem with all of this.

Do the Spurs even want Nocioni?

I don't think they'll sign and trade Scola, I think they'll just package his rights with other players. I'd think sign and trade would suck with the buyout issues, etc.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I don't think they'll sign and trade Scola, I think they'll just package his rights with other players. I'd think sign and trade would suck with the buyout issues, etc.

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It's certainly a possibility, but I would think the team would have to receive some assurances from Scola and his agent that they could work on a deal for him to come over after the nba trade is made.

Otherwise, it would significantly lower his trade value. He is said to be working on a large, long-term contract in Europe, so that indicates risk for any team that would be trading for him.

Scola, the player, is probably worth alot more that Scola rights....na mean?

POP AND RC, MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

Dirk will shit his pants when Bowen + Nocioni are on his nuts night in and night out.

This trade makes way too much sense.

The way the Andres plays, he could become a fan favorite within a few games and give Manu a run for his money.

But Nocioni AND Duhon??? Are you fuckin kidding me?!?!?

I'd shit...I'd litterally SHIT.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

You do realize taht athleates don't grow on trees, right? You take a flyer on a guy at 33 that has a shitload of potential. Thats what you do with picks that late. Everything you mentioned can be taught, natural talent can't.

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First off, I don't know if you can teach a guy to not be selfish and have a good attitude. Secondly, in the NBA athletes do grow on trees. Twos and threes who are 6'7 210 come off assembly lines in the U.S. We already got James White don't we. I doubt Williams is as athletic as him.

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First off, I don't know if you can teach a guy to not be selfish and have a good attitude

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Yeah that was impossible when Stephen Jackson was a Spur. Glenn Robinson too.

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Originally Posted by aaronstampler

First off, I don't know if you can teach a guy to not be selfish and have a good attitude. Secondly, in the NBA athletes do grow on trees. Twos and threes who are 6'7 210 come off assembly lines in the U.S. We already got James White don't we. I doubt Williams is as athletic as him.

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from everything said about williams, he can put the ball on the floor and get to the rim. a young slasher is something good for this team, and if he can play and learn the system in austin what the hell is wrong with that?

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

It's certainly a possibility, but I would think the team would have to receive some assurances from Scola and his agent that they could work on a deal for him to come over after the nba trade is made.

Otherwise, it would significantly lower his trade value. He is said to be working on a large, long-term contract in Europe, so that indicates risk for any team that would be trading for him.

Scola, the player, is probably worth alot more that Scola rights....na mean?

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Yes, I get what you are saying. But I think trying to get a sign and trade done would be a nightmare. So I think they'll continue to shop his rights as they have been.

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what the hell is wrong with that?

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Hes not Ginobili.

Come on...

Once again peeps.

WERE interested in Andres Nocioni.

BUT ARE THE SPURS interested :lol

The article mentioned the similarity between Noc's and Scola's buyout. What differences have kept Scola in Europe while Noc was brought over?

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Originally Posted by T Park

Once again peeps.

WERE interested in Andres Nocioni.

BUT ARE THE SPURS interested :lol

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Of course they are, the Spurs would have drafted him if it hadn't been for that screw up by an ex scout that said Nocioni was draft ineligible. I'm pretty sure Nocioni is the first guy the Spurs will go after.

Uh, 08 plan?

Signing Andres to a 4 year 30 million dollar deal, horribly screws with that.

Remember that.

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Originally Posted by ElliottFan

So this trade can't work:
Rights to Scola($0), Brent Barry($5mil), Matt Bonner($3mil), and 2 2nd rounders for Nocioni($7.5mil)?

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I wouldn't want it to. Nocioni may be worth 7.5 million averaged over the life of his contract, but not for next year's salary.

You can't do a S&T with Scola. Either you trade his rights or you trade him 30 days (or more) after he has signed with Spurs.

Trading Scola's right isn't a big problem at all : Spurs just need to ask to Scola what contract he wants and if he will agree to play in Chicago. If Bulls know before the trade that Scola will agree to sign a $10M/3years contract with them one day after the trade, I don't see where the problem is.

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Originally Posted by aaronstampler

First off, I don't know if you can teach a guy to not be selfish and have a good attitude. Secondly, in the NBA athletes do grow on trees. Twos and threes who are 6'7 210 come off assembly lines in the U.S. We already got James White don't we. I doubt Williams is as athletic as him.

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LOL. James White is an athlete that can't shoot. Marcus is an athlete that can. Dumb discussion.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

The article mentioned the similarity between Noc's and Scola's buyout. What differences have kept Scola in Europe while Noc was brought over?

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Nocioni wanted to come to the U.S. while Scola didn't.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Uh, 08 plan?

Signing Andres to a 4 year 30 million dollar deal, horribly screws with that.

Remember that.

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Uh, it's a little shortsighted to think that the Spurs wouldn't agree to a deal past '08 if they got a player they would want for the next 5-6 years anyway. Quit being so dense.

Don't everyone get pissed when the Spurs turn this down due to "flexibility" :lol

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Originally Posted by picnroll

From what he says sounds like he'll be playing for the Suns next year.

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Raptors may make a big push for Hill.

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Originally Posted by EssaySpur1001

Why? Nocioni is 27 right now, fills the role the Spurs need to have filled (big SF, can play PF in small ball, lots of hustle and energy), he can hit the three, and he can slash to the rim and he is a decent rebounder. Give me Nocioni any day.

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the hell?



and Scola is also only 26 or 27

Miss the news Ploto on the Raptors think they will lose out on Hill to the Spurs?

Awwwww too bad. Adios :)

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Originally Posted by Bruno

You can't do a S&T with Scola. Either you trade his rights or you trade him 30 days (or more) after he has signed with Spurs.

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Maybe they'll listen to you- they didn't me.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Miss the news Ploto on the Raptors think they will lose out on Hill to the Spurs?

Awwwww too bad. Adios :)

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Miss the fact that I know more than what that story says....

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Originally Posted by T Park

Theres only one problem with all of this.

Do the Spurs even want Nocioni?

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I remember a post game interview where Pop said that the Spurs have been interested in Andres before he came to the league. If you look at what the Spurs need and how he played I don't see a reason why the Spurs would not be (at least) interested in him. If they can get it done is another question. :) But I think they will take a look at it.

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I remember a post game interview where Pop said that the Spurs have been interested in Andres before he came to the league. If you look at what the Spurs need and how he played I don't see a reason why the Spurs would not be (at least) interested in him. If they can get it done is another question. But I think they will take a look at it.

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The Spurs will be only interested in one year contracts.

Book it.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Uh, 08 plan?

Signing Andres to a 4 year 30 million dollar deal, horribly screws with that.

Remember that.

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If the Spurs can get Nocioni, it becomes the 07/08 plan.

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Miss the fact that I know more than what that story says....

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The security guard keeping you the required 800 feet away from Rasho, doesn't have the inside scoop either.