Scola for Nocioni Picking Up Steam?

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Originally Posted by El_Mago

I'm not down with giving away Ian, Splitter, or White....especially White.

These fellas are out future young guys and I rather keep them.

I like the combination of Scola, Barry, Udrih, Bonner, and Picks....I can live with that.

I would not give up Splitter, Ian, or White....and no Williams either.

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Actually, I agree. Mainly with Mahinmi. To me, he should be off limits as far as trading goes (unless it's for someone way better, obviously).

The Spurs overseas projects should be left alone, except for Scola. The thing with Chicago is, they have a ton of talent at the 3 (Luol Deng broke out in the playoffs, and Thabo Sefolosha played pretty damn good) and no low-post presence. Scola, Bonner, Barry, and picks would work so damn well...and if they throw in Duhon, we add Beno. They get their low-post scorer, a SF/PF who can hit the three, and a league leader in 3PT%.

I've been pushing for Nocioni for a long time...hopefully the Spurs with Manu and Fabricio being the first Argentines ever to win a ring can sway Andres to come.

I'd be okay with sending Butler too....if necessary.

If Nocioni would get 6-7 mill from the Spurs I doubt that Scola would come for less to the Bulls. That would be insulting to him who has been rated over Nocioni in Errope. They have the same agent. I can't imagine him selling Scola on coming over for a cent less than Nocioni. If the Bulls will go for the buyout that the Spurs have been staunchly unwilling to make for 3 years, why isn't that just a one for one deal?
Why are so many people wanting to trade eveyone but the big four for him? He would come off the bench correct?
How much would Duhon cost vs Vaughn? More likely Duhon would be #3 at PG and we don't pay mills for that.

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Originally Posted by lotr1trekkie

If Nocioni would get 6-7 mill from the Spurs I doubt that Scola would come for less to the Bulls. That would be insulting to him who has been rated over Nocioni in Errope. They have the same agent. I can't imagine him selling Scola on coming over for a cent less than Nocioni. If the Bulls will go for the buyout that the Spurs have been staunchly unwilling to make for 3 years, why isn't that just a one for one deal?
Why are so many people wanting to trade eveyone but the big four for him? He would come off the bench correct?
How much would Duhon cost vs Vaughn? More likely Duhon would be #3 at PG and we don't pay mills for that.

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Nocioni didn´t make that kind of money on his 1 st season in the NBA,I don´t see why Luis should.
But I can see Scola making that kind of money in his 2nd or 3rd year in the NBA,or even more considering He is an interior scorer.

I think Nocioni on this team would be perfect, having said that I would NOT give up Scola, Mahinmi AND Splitter to get him. Scola, Barry, Ely, Bonner, Butler, Beno & picks I'm OK with, but I'm not OK with trading away the 3 best international prospects we have.

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

However back to Nocioni, does anyone have an idea as to how he fits in with this roster?

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He tends to flop.

I would still rather have Scola then Noc

I'd imagine Nocioni as a big-line up SF, small-ball PF. He's got some range, is an effective shooter and rebounds at a fairly decent clip. On the Spurs, I could see him giving around 10-12 pts, 5 boards an some decent assist totals. I can't imagine his per game minutes would go above what he's currently averaging (round 25.6).

if the Bulls want to do a sign and trade for Ely/Barry for Noc then that wold be incredible


but Ely is prob the 10th guy they are looking at

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Originally Posted by Spurs Dynasty 21

I would still rather have Scola then Noc

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Why? Nocioni is 27 right now, fills the role the Spurs need to have filled (big SF, can play PF in small ball, lots of hustle and energy), he can hit the three, and he can slash to the rim and he is a decent rebounder. Give me Nocioni any day.

Duhon is due 3 mil. for nest season. Not to crazy taken on that contract, but if it means getting noci. then lets do it!!

Scola (S&T 4.5 mil.)+Butler (2.5 mil)+Beno (2 mil) for Noci (S&T 5.5 mil) + Duhon (3 mil)
-This would open an extra spot possibly for mahinmi..

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Originally Posted by yavozerb

Duhon is due 3 mil. for nest season. Not to crazy taken on that contract, but if it means getting noci. then lets do it!!

Scola (S&T 4.5 mil.)+Butler (2.5 mil)+Beno (2 mil) for Noci (S&T 5.5 mil) + Duhon (3 mil)
-This would open an extra spot possibly for mahinmi..

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Are we sure we can even Sign and trade Scola?

Why not Barry (4.5) + Beno (2) and rights to Scola just for Nocioni.

That way, you clear up a spot on the roster, get a player that helps you and both teams benefit.

How come people are talking about signing and trading Scola? Can we just trade rights to Scola?

Make it happen, please.

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Originally Posted by lotr1trekkie

If Nocioni would get 6-7 mill from the Spurs I doubt that Scola would come for less to the Bulls. That would be insulting to him who has been rated over Nocioni in Errope. They have the same agent. I can't imagine him selling Scola on coming over for a cent less than Nocioni. If the Bulls will go for the buyout that the Spurs have been staunchly unwilling to make for 3 years, why isn't that just a one for one deal?
Why are so many people wanting to trade eveyone but the big four for him? He would come off the bench correct?
How much would Duhon cost vs Vaughn? More likely Duhon would be #3 at PG and we don't pay mills for that.

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The difference is that Nocioni has produced in the NBA, while Scola has been playing ball in Europe. Nocioni didn't get a fat deal to start out with in the NBA, and neither should Scola.

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Originally Posted by ElliottFan

How come people are talking about signing and trading Scola? Can we just trade rights to Scola?

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IMO, two reasons why trading Scola's rights won't work:

1) A team trading for Scola would want to have a contract worked out in advance to ensure that he would be able to contribute to their team this year.

2) From a salary cap perspective, any player the Spurs get back in return must have the same value as what left, within 25%. So trading no dollars would have to essentially net no dollars (contract-wise) in return....it would have to be Scola's rights for a pick.

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Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

2) From a salary cap perspective, any player the Spurs get back in return must have the same value as what left, within 25%. So trading no dollars would have to essentially net no dollars (contract-wise) in return....it would have to be Scola's rights for a pick.

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So this trade can't work:
Rights to Scola($0), Brent Barry($5mil), Matt Bonner($3mil), and 2 2nd rounders for Nocioni($7.5mil)?

On this proposal....

I'm not sure if a Scola S&T would be enough to get Nocioni. The deal I think is more likely....

Scola (through S&T), Barry, and Beno for Nocioni (through S&T) and Duhon.

Bulls get low-post guy, shooter in the final year of his contract, and backup/third-string PG.

Spurs get veteran combo forward and backup PG.

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Originally Posted by ElliottFan

So this trade can't work:
Rights to Scola($0), Brent Barry($5mil), Matt Bonner($3mil), and 2 2nd rounders for Nocioni($7.5mil)?

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Actually, it can. Just because you're trading his rights doesn't mean OTHER players can't be exchanged. In addition, unless we want to use our MCE on him, you CAN'T just sign him to whatever contract and then trade him. It would have to work under the CBA for him to sign here before he can be traded.

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Originally Posted by ElliottFan

So this trade can't work:
Rights to Scola($0), Brent Barry($5mil), Matt Bonner($3mil), and 2 2nd rounders for Nocioni($7.5mil)?

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Actually no...but that's for a different reason.

See, according to the CBA, Nocioni would be a base-year compensation player. We really need Bruno for this discussion, but what it amounts to is that Nocioni (though making $6-8M) would only be worth $3-4M in a trade for salary-matching purposes.

In order to do that deal, I'm pretty sure you'd have to include a guy like Duhon.

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Originally Posted by ElliottFan

So this trade can't work:
Rights to Scola($0), Brent Barry($5mil), Matt Bonner($3mil), and 2 2nd rounders for Nocioni($7.5mil)?

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And again, why would a team trade away an asset like Nocioni for a player that they're not even sure will ever play for them?

Theres only one problem with all of this.

Do the Spurs even want Nocioni?

I don't think they'll sign and trade Scola, I think they'll just package his rights with other players. I'd think sign and trade would suck with the buyout issues, etc.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

I don't think they'll sign and trade Scola, I think they'll just package his rights with other players. I'd think sign and trade would suck with the buyout issues, etc.

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It's certainly a possibility, but I would think the team would have to receive some assurances from Scola and his agent that they could work on a deal for him to come over after the nba trade is made.

Otherwise, it would significantly lower his trade value. He is said to be working on a large, long-term contract in Europe, so that indicates risk for any team that would be trading for him.

Scola, the player, is probably worth alot more that Scola rights....na mean?

POP AND RC, MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

Dirk will shit his pants when Bowen + Nocioni are on his nuts night in and night out.

This trade makes way too much sense.