Yes, I verified I'm correct. She was fired in January 2006 and filed the lawsuit right after that (within a few days).
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Yes, I verified I'm correct. She was fired in January 2006 and filed the lawsuit right after that (within a few days).
either way i do agree that isiah is a douche. god as a kid i actually used to love watching him play ball. then again i didn't really realize how the game was played like i do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Courts take time, people. You can't just file on Fridays and go 15 rounds on Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
I'm sure this was the case TPark said was "bull". It was filed when she was fired, he never heard anything else, so he assumed it was bull. Actually, she was a woman, so he assumed it was bull.
You're giving mikejones99 a run for board misogynist, TPark. Stripper?
This isn't a big bucks lawsuit. When she filed it she just wanted to get her job back.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoMamaIsCallin
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Originally Posted by __JaG__
So TPark hasn't responded to calling either the female executive a stripper or the female cheerleader a stripper, who was it TPark?
Oy vey. :nopeQuote:
Originally Posted by T Park
I don't see how the Woman can sue the Knicks for sexual harassment on behalf of a cheerleader...seems to me that women have a different interpretation of just what harrasment is. And if Isiah telling her he has feeling for her and making a pass at her constitutes sexual harrasment, then I feel sorry for anyone that hires her.
If she believes she was fired or dismissed because she rejected Isiah...well maybe she has a point, although I don't see anything he said to her that proves he harassed her. And it's not to hard to say someone is doing a shitty job for the Knicks given their current state.
This stuff is bs golddigging and sour grapes, if all he did was say he was attracted to her and try to kiss her, before being rebuffed...if that's sexual harassment, she just needs to not work around men...
Oh...and if she was raising hell because Isiah hit on her and Marbury calling her names...I can see why they fired her.
If Stephon Marbury talking shit constitutes a lawsuit...heaven help him and the Knicks when the refs and his opponents find this out.
Sounds like a woman working in a field she shouldn't be working in. I see absolutely nothing that happened to her that constitutes sexual harassment as I define the term. Marbury is at best a co-worker...if he talks shit to some guy in the bar are the Knicks accountable for that as well?
Gold digger...just the fact that she is trying to get some money based on the things she says happened to her is probably illustrative of why she was fired. I hope she doesn't win. And I hope she finds a job where there are no men and no one will ever be attracted to her and no coworker will ever call her names.
Umm.. I think you are misunderstanding the story. The executive says she herself was harrassed by Isiah - not just the cheerleader thing. He repeatedly made sexual advance toward her and she asked for it to stop. She went through the proper channels through the company for it to stop. It didn't stop. And when she kept resisting/accusing, she was fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whott
The Knicks haven't been able to explain why she was fired, except a vague excuse about her work not being up to standards. But she was never warned/told anything about her work not being good.
She only sued initially to get her job back. Then later, the lawyers etc added the Knicks owner/organization as part of the defendants, etc and it all got ugly.
And just FYI, Whottt - any man who is your boss shouldn't be trying to kiss you at work or otherwise.
By the way, I'm not saying that I think Isiah harrassed her. I'm just explaining what her story is. Many sexual harrassment cases are BS.
And I always thought Isiah would be harrassing male interns, if anyone.
Kori...could you post the part where she says he repeatedly harassed her? All I see is her saying he tried to kiss her and said he was attracted to her, and she obviously considers that harassment. I mean when she was citing harassment...she said he told her he was attracted to her and tried to kiss her...that's the harassment she mentions on his part...I am not saying I didn't miss a detail though.
And you can say a boss shouldn't be asking his employees out...but that isn't harassment, and there are a lot of women I have met that wouldn't mind it if their boss did ask them out...especially if he was a multi-millionaire...in fact, I have met some women that would take a shitty job in the hopes that he would ask them out.
If she was fired because she blew him off then I definitely think that is a case of harassment, ditto if he kept hitting on her after she asked him to stop...but, on the general surface, if she was saying he harassed her because he was attracted to her and tried to kiss her, and it making a big stink about that...she needs to be fired.
Just the fact that she is trying to sue Marbury because he called her some names, tells me she is digging...if she wants to work in a man's field and industry dominated by male athletics...then she's going to have to put up with the same shit.
You are acting like the entire story is in the article. The harrassment, and her dealing with human resources or whoever to try to stop it, was going on for over a year as I understand it. The whole story isn't just an incident of him making one advance to her.
And no, people in a position of power aren't supposed to date or try to kiss people on the job.
There's a reason most corporations of rules against interoffice dating.
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Male Interns who happen to favor Magic Johnson...
She didn't try to sue Marbury. The incident with Marbury was just documented during this case investigation of Isiah. I think moreso they brought him in to further the case against the Knicks because they were allow stuff to go on (i.e. his cousin saying whatever).Quote:
Just the fact that she is trying to sue Marbury because he called her some names, tells me she is digging...if she wants to work in a man's field and industry dominated by male athletics...then she's going to have to put up with the same shit
All I know is that she says, "he said he was attracted to me and tried to kiss me" as if I Isiah was telling her to suck him off or she was fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
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And no, people in a position of power aren't supposed to date or try to kiss people on the job.
There's a reason most corporations of rules against interoffice dating.
And there's a reason that secretaries have been marrying their bosses for a hundred years also....and it's not all because of the bosses. Asking someone out on a date and telling them you are attracted to them, is not harassment. And neither is attempting to kiss someone by misreading a signal.
What I'm trying to tell you is that according to her story, that's not all that happened. He allegedly was harrassing her ongoing, that's why she had to go to human resources or whatever department and go through their channels to try to get it to stop. She filed a grievance, they were investigating internally and all that. This went on for quite a while. Then, she was fired abruptly.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
I'm not saying the woman isn't lying. I'm saying the whole case isn't spelled out in one quote in an article.
The harrassment was being investigated for a while internally (months or a year?) and then this case his been been going on since January 06. Don't just take one quote and think that's the whole case.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Blaze_47
If there are lots of complaints about separate incidents by her...she'll probably win this case easily. Even if Isiah is innocent...All I know is that...based on this article, she's offended because Isiah was attracted to her and tried to kiss her...and because Marbury got pissed and told her to suck his dick. So far I am unmoved to chivalry on her behalf.
Continuously asking your colleagues, subordinates, or boss out even after s/he has rejected you is a form of harrassment. This is different from say, asking your neighbour out because there are professional relationships involved and it could be argued that continuous unwanted advance can cause a person to suffer at his/her workplace.
Workplace harrassment is quite broad, and may not involve any physical touching, or even sexually suggestive language.
Her statement in January 2006 ..
"I am a business woman who has held executive positions in corporate America for nearly 20 years. Working in professional sports has been my dream since I was a little girl growing up in Brooklyn. Getting hired by the Knicks in 2000 and being promoted to senior vice president of marketing and business operations was one of the highlights of my life. It has also been a source of great pride for me that I consistently did an excellent job and received superior performance evaluations as well as praise and promotion for my work. I am extremely proud that I rose to be the second highest-ranking executive in the Knicks and one of the highest ranking African American women in professional sports.
Pursuing this complaint was a very painful decision because I knew it meant I would not only say farewell to my dream job -- but that I would probably never be able to work again in professional basketball. Filing this complaint would mean an end to my cherished career.
I took this action because I had no choice. My pleas and complaints about Mr. Thomas' illegal and offensive behavior fell on deaf ears. He refused to stop his demeaning and repulsive behavior and the Garden refused to intercede. I am outraged that I was fired for telling the truth and I am outraged that they have destroyed what was a stellar sports career.
No woman, regardless of the industry she works in, should have to endure this kind of abuse on the job. Everyone has the right to expect that they will not be sexually harassed no matter where they work or who they work for.
I was warned that Mr. Thomas and the Garden would launch a campaign to smear me and I was not surprised nor will I be at any false and viscious accusations that many spread about me and my family. This is all a diversion. In court, they will have no choice but to deal with the real issues of my complaint."
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Originally Posted by ambchang
True...and or course, all women are innocent pure of heart angels and would never manipulate the law to their advantage, and they would never have hard feelings over a dismissal for legitimate reasons either...t'would be unheard of.
I just want to hear she told him she wasn't interested and it continued, or he told her to blow or go...it's not in this article.
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
And so far...her demeaning repulsive behavior is, Isiah asking her out...Isiah telling a cheerleader to go fuck some refs on his behalf(this is the most alarming thing) allegedly, the cheerleader isn't suing I notice...and Marbury telling her to do some thing illicit because she was fucking with his cousin.
IF there is more.....a history of Thomas making advances, which I still haven't seen...and she filed complaints...she'll win. It hurts her case that the cheerleader isn't doing anything, making a big deal about him saying he was attracted to her and tried to kiss her, makes Isiah sound almost like a gentleman and her sound like a bitch, so she should probably stop using that as an example of the harrasment...and the stuff about Marbury is a joke.
True. I have a ton of women that work underneath me... if i were to make advances at them, it would cost me big time. When you are an employer/boss, there are somethings that are just off limits. This is one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis