Rashard Lewis Agrees To Deal With Magic

Report: Lewis Agrees To Sign With Magic
July 2, 2007 - 11:39 pm
WKMG Channel 6 -
Orlando television station WKMG Local 6 is reporting that Rashard Lewis has agreed to sign with the Orlando Magic on July 11.

The deal is reported for 5 years and $75 million.

Sports anchor David Pingalore also reported the Magic will allow restricted free agent forward Darko Milicic to become an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...gn_with_magic/
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The link on the page isn't working for some reason.

at least he's out of the west.

Presti screwed on this one.

This will cost the Magic Darko, which probably isn't a big deal, but still he's a useful big man.

:lol $75M for Rashard

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:lol $75M for Rashard

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Exactly what I was thinking. Isn't he really injury prone too?

If he can stay healthy, though, the Magic will be a decent team. That's a good player to compliment Howard and Nelson.

I hope this turns out better than the Magics last foray into overpaying for talent.

NEW YORK, May 2, 2007 – Kevin Durant of the Seattle Sonics will receive the Eddie Gottlieb Trophy as the 2007-08 T-Mobile NBA Rookie of the Year, the NBA announced today. Durant tallied 26.9 points along with 8 rebounds per contest. The NBA made sure the Sonics only had one scorer, thus resulting in Durant setting a rookie record for most attempted shots in first season.

Durant received 127 out of a possible 128 first-place votes (638 points) from a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. Portland's Greg Oden finished second with 542 points. The one first place vote Oden did recieve was from former great Bill Russell.

:wow RC needs to go after Darko.

Sincerely?

$75 Meg/5 years? That's Ben Wallace or Elton Brand money. That's sick.

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:lol $75M for Rashard

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darko-biggest bust ever

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:lol $75M for Rashard

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:lmao

Can you imagine how hard Presti must have laughed in Tony Dutt's face when he gave them the chance to match? Oh man, this looks like another Derek Anderson level theft for Dutt. Please Pop, never even talk to anyone affiliated with Dutt. :lol

why?

reminds me when they signed hedo to that huge contract

Looks like Hill probably won't be back now. I wish we could get Ariza for Scola's rights and Beno/Barry.

I suppose congrats are in order for Mr. Lewis.

Not a great contract. The Magic though improve.

Allowing Darko to leave is a huge mistake though.

Horrible contract, although Lewis should otherwise be a pretty good match for the Magic. He fills a definite need for them, although losing Darko creates another one now.

Supposedly this hasn't been reported anywhere but on the station in Orlando mentioned by Real GM. They reported it on their late news tonight. No one in Seattle media has confirmed it.

Because they haven't stopped laughing.

The '08 plan gains steam.

How so?

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How so?

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You think Dwight Howard wants to rebound for a pothead?

http://www.spurschick.com/mediaday08.jpg

:lol

Isn't Dwight already negotiating an extension?

:lol

http://www.spurschick.com/mediaday08.jpg

Those clunking sounds you hear are the bricks being shitted by Mav Fan, Sun Fan, and Blazer Fan.

Rashard Lewis? 75 million? :lmao

He's a nice player, but jeez, not that nice. I guess sometimes you have to overpay to get talent, though, and theres no denying that the Magic are now a better team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2924228

The NBA's most sought-after free agent is going to the Magic Kingdom.

Rashard Lewis has given the Orlando Magic a verbal commitment to leave the Seattle SuperSonics and sign a max contract on July 11, according to NBA front-office sources.

That's the first day free agents are allowed to officially sign new contracts.

Unless a sign-and-trade arrangement is worked out with Lewis' old team or unless it can otherwise shed payroll between now and July 11, Orlando will have to renounce the rights to restricted free agent Darko Milicic to create the salary-cap space needed to sign Lewis to a deal believed to be in the $15 million-a-year range.

:lol I wouldn't pay Lewis that much more than the Spurs are paying Ginobili, much less $15 million/year.

Presti must have fallen out of his chair laughing when he heard about this...

He fits a need the Magic NEED.

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Rashard must be so happy. He's not worth $75m, IMO :D

Rashard Lewis giving maximum effort is worth this contract. Problem is Lewis has been coasting since 2002.

Terrible signing. Presti keeps looking better and better. The Sonics drafted Kevin Durant and acquired Jeff Green, Delonte West, and Wally Sczerbiak while dumping two cash cows that are never going to do anything. While Sczerbiak is overpaid, at least his k is almost up.

I think the Sonics and Trailblazers are my new favorite teams.

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Terrible signing. Presti keeps looking better and better. The Sonics drafted Kevin Durant and acquired Jeff Green, Delonte West, and Wally Sczerbiak while dumping two cash cows that are never going to do anything. While Sczerbiak is overpaid, at least his k is almost up.

I think the Sonics and Trailblazers are my new favorite teams.

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It's a great signing from a talent point of view. Lewis averaged 22 and 6 last season. He will be a great addition to help out Dwight. Money wise that is too much but you have to overpay for top talent. Kapono got 24 million for godsake.

This makes Orlando a top 3 team in the east now. Depends what else they add.

Makes Kapono look cheap- huh ?

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http://www.spurschick.com/mediaday08.jpg

Those clunking sounds you hear are the bricks being shitted by Mav Fan, Sun Fan, and Blazer Fan.

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Yeah, if there was any chance of it happening.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.htm

Howard's getting a max deal from the Magic, end of story. Even with the Rashard Lewis signing, they still have one of the best cap situations in the League. They can well afford to overpay for him.

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You think Dwight Howard wants to rebound for a pothead?

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Who is this referring to? Jameer? Rashard? 80% of the all players in the NBA? Dude probably enjoys toking up himself.

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Terrible signing. Presti keeps looking better and better.

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I doubt Presti is doing back flips over losing a valuable piece for nothing. If he can salvage a good S&T out of it then it'll be a good piece of work. Otherwise it's a blow to Seatltle albeit one that was beyond his control.

I tell you, I heard Seattle was going to let Rashard walk. They are dumping salaries because they are going to be moving to a new market and the owner may just sell the team. Value will still be good because of the new rooks.

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He fits a need the Magic NEED.

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yes, the need to foolishly throw away money. hi rashard, we need someone to take over Grant Hill's salary siphening. r u interested ?

Rashard is soft, soft, softy-soft-soft...what a joke.
75 million, I can't believe it. Gotta be one the worst contracts in NBA history. Oh sure, he'll put up some respectable numbers in the Leastern Conference, but he's not the type of player you reward with that kind of money. Jeez, that's "leadership" money, does the owner really think he's gonna get anything character-wise from a dope like Lewis?

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Rashard is soft, soft, softy-soft-soft...what a joke.
75 million, I can't believe it. Gotta be one the worst contracts in NBA history. Oh sure, he'll put up some respectable numbers in the Leastern Conference, but he's not the type of player you reward with that kind of money. Jeez, that's "leadership" money, does the owner really think he's gonna get anything character-wise from a dope like Lewis?

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What is wrong with Rashard Lewis' character? I agree it's overspending, but the Magic have a good cap situation and still have plenty of money to extend Howard with a max contract. I never hear of him pulling crap like a Zach Randolph or a Darius Miles, so I'm honestly curious why you would denigrate him as a person.

So who are the Sonics signing big this year?

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What is wrong with Rashard Lewis' character? I agree it's overspending, but the Magic have a good cap situation and still have plenty of money to extend Howard with a max contract. I never hear of him pulling crap like a Zach Randolph or a Darius Miles, so I'm honestly curious why you would denigrate him as a person.

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Calm down, I'm not denigrating him as a person, I'm talking basketball character. He's a decent scorer, that's it. He's had every chance to establish himself as the cornerstone of the Sonics franchise going forward. That is the role Seattle wanted him to grow into, but he's not cut out for it. Not worth rewarding with that kind of cash IMO.

Max money for a guy that brings you 18 and six? If they're going to sign Howard to an extension, they'd better try to do it before Lewis takes the floor with him.

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So who are the Sonics signing big this year?

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My money is on defense-oriented Gerald Wallace. I know they have a need at the 4 and 5, but Wallace's defense and ability to defer to a guy like Kevin Durant....he'd be great in their system....

Lots of people falling all over themselves to compliment Presti. When you let an All-Star walk for nothing, you didn't do a good job.

Wow. $15 mil a season is a lot for someone like Rashard. No wonder Dutt said Orlando was the perfect fit for Lewis. I wonder if this will drive up Gerald Wallace's price tag????

I have only watched Rashard play against the Spurs in the playoffs a few years ago. I don't recall being particularly impressed, although I do remember the announcers talking about what a matchup nightmare he was, and how talented he was. I also remember the Sonics winning a couple games more than they should have, but I thought Jerome James, Antonio Daniels, and Reggie Evans had more to do with that.

Lewis contract will be around $85M, not $75M.

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Lots of people falling all over themselves to compliment Presti. When you let an All-Star walk for nothing, you didn't do a good job.

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Who said it was for nothing?

There's two things you have to consider:

1) What FA or FAs will the Sonics look to acquire from the money saved up by letting Rashard Walk?

With two SFs already in the fold, wouldn't the Sonics be better served by going with a guard-type like Gerald Wallace or a big guy like Darko?

2) If the Magic want to keep Darko as well, they will look to unload salary and/or make the deal for Rashard a sign-and-trade.

If it's an S&T, the Sonics might be able to get a combination of decent role players along with future picks perhaps.

Bottom Line: Can't say this was a great move, but you also can't say it's a bad one until we see what the Sonics do with money saved.

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Who is this referring to? Jameer? Rashard? 80% of the all players in the NBA? Dude probably enjoys toking up himself.

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Doubt it. Howard is a pretty strong Christian- much like our own David Robinson.

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:lol $75M for Rashard

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What an idiotic salary. Just what the hell has he ever done to command $$$$ like that?

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Lots of people falling all over themselves to compliment Presti. When you let an All-Star walk for nothing, you didn't do a good job.

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What did you want him to do ? Get garbage back in a possible S&T ? He was an UFA, and Presti was probably shaking his head at that foolish offer.

I'm sure if he saw something that he could do, he would have tried. I'm no huge Presti fan either. In fact, I could care less about him and Seattle / Tulsa.

He inherited a team mired in mediocrity and is trying to re-build. I can't fault him for that. Seattle wins by having that soft-ass, weak stat boy leave. Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis are perennial, over-rated wannabes. The money they make for their contributions is a joke.

Clearly Lewis is way overrated and now overpaid, but Orlando has the cap room to do this. They're going to be screwed down the road when they have two guys making max money and they can't add any pieces, but right now they are just carrying Hedo, Tony Battie, and a bunch of rookie deals on their books. And truthfully, it's the only way they were going to get better this year since they didn't have a 1st round pick (traded to Det for Darko) and they need to show Howard that they are serious about winning. Even if signing Lewis is a bad basketball move, at least they let Howard know that they're willing to spend the cash to improve the team. It's not going to work, but at least they're trying. What else would they have to sell Howard on to stay in Orlando?

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Doubt it. Howard is a pretty strong Christian- much like our own David Robinson.

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The hell he is:

http://deadspin.com/sports/nba/dwigh...ars-215602.php

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Who said it was for nothing?

There's two things you have to consider:

1) What FA or FAs will the Sonics look to acquire from the money saved up by letting Rashard Walk?

With two SFs already in the fold, wouldn't the Sonics be better served by going with a guard-type like Gerald Wallace or a big guy like Darko?

2) If the Magic want to keep Darko as well, they will look to unload salary and/or make the deal for Rashard a sign-and-trade.

If it's an S&T, the Sonics might be able to get a combination of decent role players along with future picks perhaps.

Bottom Line: Can't say this was a great move, but you also can't say it's a bad one until we see what the Sonics do with money saved.

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Regardless of money saved, they didn't get players or draft picks back from Orlando. Bad deal.

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:lol $75M for Rashard

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F That!

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Regardless of money saved, they didn't get players or draft picks back from Orlando. Bad deal.

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Unless Seattle was offering him a max deal themselves, hard to see what leverage they had to force a sign and trade. I mean, the only thing they had to offer Orlando was the opportunity to sign Lewis to even MORE money than this ridiculous contract already is.

I agree that too many people here drool over Presti, but this would have happened to any GM not willing to grossly overpay this player.

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Regardless of money saved, they didn't get players or draft picks back from Orlando. Bad deal.

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The negotiating may not be done yet....

The Magic might still need to clear cap room, by working a sign-and-trade, in order to extend a qualifying offer to keep Darko.

Free Agents cannot technically be signed until 11 Jul, so there's still time to see if the Sonics can get something back for him.

And again, with that money saved, the Sonics could turn Lewis into Wallace and then some. So you can't ignore the money saved....

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Unless Seattle was offering him a max deal themselves, hard to see what leverage they had to force a sign and trade. I mean, the only thing they had to offer Orlando was the opportunity to sign Lewis to even MORE money than this ridiculous contract already is.

I agree that too many people here drool over Presti, but this would have happened to any GM not willing to grossly overpay this player.

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The potential leverage they still have is that the Magic would like to keep Darko, and will need to clear cap space in order to extend him an offer. That means trading someone like Arroyo or Turkoglu outright, or working the sign-and-trade angle with the Sonics.

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The potential leverage they still have is that the Magic would like to keep Darko, and will need to clear cap space in order to extend him an offer. That means trading someone like Arroyo or Turkoglu outright, or working the sign-and-trade angle with the Sonics.

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They can trade those guys for actual assets (draft picks, cheaper players) to their own organization.

There's no reason that they would have to move Arroyo, Turk, or anybody else for a player that is already coming to their team.

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They can trade those guys for actual assets (draft picks, cheaper players) to their own organization.

There's no reason that they would have to move Arroyo, Turk, or anybody else for a player that is already coming to their team.

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They do not have enough money to sign Rashard Lewis to a max deal AND make a qualifying offer to Darko Milicic.

They've got to come up with enough money to make Darko a qualifying offer (likely $4-5M) if they hope to keep him.

So, shedding $4M+ from your payroll by giving back Carlos Arroyo or Hedo Turkoglu makes sense. They could also offer said players to another team under the cap (Bobcats?) in order to clear more salary, as you suggest....

But the bottom line is that they have to move some money around in order to accomplish both goals of signing Lewis AND extending a qualifying offer to Darko.

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The hell he is:

http://deadspin.com/sports/nba/dwigh...ars-215602.php

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Hmmm. A blog link? Did you even read it?

Here are some actual news links. Good luck.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1769153

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...the_image.html

http://www.bpsports.net/bpsports.asp?ID=5565

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Hmmm. A blog link? Did you even read it?

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Yes, I read it. The story was reported in several places. Oh yeah, that's right, blog = automatically not true.

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Here are some actual news links. Good luck.

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Ha, PR fluff from the 4-letter, among others. Just because a guy makes an ostentatious display of his faith don't make it so. I really don't care what he does or doesn't do, or what his views on metaphysics are. It's just as likely that he's a simple God-fearing man as it is that he enjoys the NBA lifestyle. We don't know for sure what goes on in the private lives and I don't care either way. If we can't trust a blog, we can't trust his publicist either.

And yeah, I'm sure they're "just friends." I guess 4 a.m. is a good time to meet up with her to convince her to change her ways:

http://www.lukeisback.com/images/images/MaryDwight.jpg

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They do not have enough money to sign Rashard Lewis to a max deal AND make a qualifying offer to Darko Milicic.

They've got to come up with enough money to make Darko a qualifying offer (likely $4-5M) if they hope to keep him.

So, shedding $4M+ from your payroll by giving back Carlos Arroyo or Hedo Turkoglu makes sense. They could also offer said players to another team under the cap (Bobcats?) in order to clear more salary, as you suggest....

But the bottom line is that they have to move some money around in order to accomplish both goals of signing Lewis AND extending a qualifying offer to Darko.

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I agree with what you're saying, but Orlando can (and should) see it as two separate issues. Issue 1: Sign Lewis. Issue 2: Clear money for Darko. While it's not impossible that they could, there is no reason that they HAVE to combine the two issues, which is why Seattle really had/has no leverage to force their hand to give something up in addition to the contract. Probably part of the reason behind offering the max deal was that so they don't have to go through the sign & trade process.

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I agree with what you're saying, but Orlando can (and should) see it as two separate issues. Issue 1: Sign Lewis. Issue 2: Clear money for Darko. While it's not impossible that they could, there is no reason that they HAVE to combine the two issues, which is why Seattle really had/has no leverage to force their hand to give something up in addition to the contract. Probably part of the reason behind offering the max deal was that so they don't have to go through the sign & trade process.

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Agreed. :tu

The Magic and Sonics still have the opportunity to do a sign-and-trade.

Lewis agrees to deal with Orlando
Associated Press

SEATTLE — Rashard Lewis is leaving the Northwest and taking his game to Orlando.

One of the most sought after free agents this offseason, Lewis agreed to a "maximum contract" with the Magic, his agent Tony Dutt said Tuesday.

Lewis made the decision late Monday night after meeting with Magic officials in Orlando.

"He had a comfort and a gut feeling and he feels they have a championship core, and that's what he wants to do is win a championship," Dutt said.

Toronto Raptors forward Jorge Garbajosa, right, guards Seattle SuperSonics forward Rashard Lewis during a March 11 game. (Fred Thornhill/Reuters)

The terms of the deal are still being worked out. He's expected to receive a deal in the range of $15 million per season. The Magic wouldn't comment Tuesday, citing league rules that an agreement cannot be announced until July 11.

Orlando can only sign Lewis to a five-year contract, while Seattle could sign Lewis to a six-year deal. Dutt said the Magic and Seattle are in discussions about a sign-and-trade deal that would give Lewis that sixth-year, help Orlando clear some salary and give Seattle something in return.

"That he's going to Orlando doesn't change the fact that he had good years in Seattle," Dutt said.

Lewis opted out of the final two years of his contract with Seattle in late May, leaving behind a guaranteed $21 million.

Seattle, the only team Lewis has played for, had the first chance to meet with the 6-foot-10 forward Sunday morning in Houston. Seattle was among 20 teams that contacted Dutt on Sunday, the first day of NBA free agency.

Soon after his meeting with Seattle, Lewis boarded a plane for Orlando and liked what he heard from the Magic, including the chance to play with Dwight Howard.

"He feels like they're going to be good for a long time," Dutt said. "It was important knowing that Howard was going to be around a long time as well."

Lewis is coming off his best season, when he averaged career-highs in points (22.4), rebounds (6.6) and assists (2.4). His age (28 next month) and his versatility to hit 3-pointers or score on the low block made Lewis a targeted commodity for many teams.

ElliottFan coming through in the clutch! :toast

:cooldevil

:king

"score on the low block made Lewis .... "

He scores there?

Sounds like presti is gonna show up the RCBuford homer in Aggie.

how is orlando controlling there salary cap?

lewis 75m
d12 extention 80m
JNelson what would he be expecting??

wattabout that new arena?.....

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how is orlando controlling there salary cap?

lewis 75m
d12 extention 80m
JNelson what would he be expecting??

wattabout that new arena?.....

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http://hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.htm

Before the Lewis deal, they had a cap figure of $39 mil for 07-08, $18 for 08-09. They've got the money to max out Howard.

Presti has to be licking his chops. He's going to get $15M in cap space to play with while Minnesota is trying to unload Garnett, Phoenix is trying to dump cap (Marion or Stoudemire), Indiana is trying to get rid of O'Neal, and Kobe is demanding a trade.

Yeah if Presti gets done, what I think he can get done, hes gonna be the next Jerry West.

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Yes, I read it. The story was reported in several places. Oh yeah, that's right, blog = automatically not true.

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No, that's not it. While it's true that blogs don't have to check sources or even have anything to do with reality, my point is that the link you provided doesn't make any fucking sense. It's not a "story", it sounds more like rambling. It's a middle with no beginning and no end. It says he was standing in the hallway sending text messages and that he left her tickets to the game. If you find something saying he was snorting coke from her snatch, feel free to post up.

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Ha, PR fluff from the 4-letter, among others. Just because a guy makes an ostentatious display of his faith don't make it so. I really don't care what he does or doesn't do, or what his views on metaphysics are. It's just as likely that he's a simple God-fearing man as it is that he enjoys the NBA lifestyle. We don't know for sure what goes on in the private lives and I don't care either way. If we can't trust a blog, we can't trust his publicist either.

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Yeah, three or four stories from legitimate news sources can't be believed, but you posted a half a paragraph from a blog quoting another blog. Sound logic from you, as always. :rolleyes

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And yeah, I'm sure they're "just friends." I guess 4 a.m. is a good time to meet up with her to convince her to change her ways:

http://www.lukeisback.com/images/images/MaryDwight.jpg

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Sorry, I didn't know about the eleventh commandment: Thou shalt be in bed by 9:30. :lol

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The guy goes on and on about how he's a Christian and lives a godly life. Fine, whatever, I don't care either way. It's not my place to judge somebody's spiritual beliefs, or if Mary Carey fucks for money on camera. Live and let live. Consorting with whores at 4 a.m. in the morning casts aspersions on the original poster's claim that Howard has a problem with people or teammates that don't measure up to lofty Christian standards, which is the only reason I brought it up. My logic is just fine. If he's going to go to a party with porn stars in the middle of the night, where I doubt they sit around and play Scattegories, I doubt he's going to have a problem with the 80% of NBA players who enjoy the crippler, as OP stated.

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It says he was standing in the hallway sending text messages and that he left her tickets to the game. If you find something saying he was snorting coke from her snatch, feel free to post up.

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Feel free to find the passage in my original posts where I claimed anything more than what was reported in the blog was going on.

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you posted a half a paragraph from a blog quoting another blog.

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Eyewitness account from the prostitute/porn star...And they obviously know each other, unless you think that's a photoshop job.

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Sound logic from you, as always

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Haughty douchebaggery from you, as always.

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Originally Posted by Findog

The guy goes on and on about how he's a Christian and lives a godly life. Fine, whatever, I don't care either way. It's not my place to judge somebody's spiritual beliefs, or if Mary Carey fucks for money on camera. Live and let live. Consorting with whores at 4 a.m. in the morning casts aspersions on the original poster's claim that Howard has a problem with people or teammates that don't measure up to lofty Christian standards, which is the only reason I brought it up. My logic is just fine. If he's going to go to a party with porn stars in the middle of the night, where I doubt they sit around and play Scattegories, I doubt he's going to have a problem with the 80% of NBA players who enjoy the crippler, as OP stated.



Feel free to find the passage in my original posts where I claimed anything more than what was reported in the blog was going on.



Eyewitness account from the prostitute/porn star...And they obviously know each other, unless you think that's a photoshop job.



Haughty douchebaggery from you, as always.

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I'm with you. Dwight Howard had a David Robinsonesque reputation. You don't need to have the videotape to prove somethings going on with Dwight and a PS. Doesn't look like he's trying to show her the way either. I don't know why he couldn't just find a non-PS girl.

a guy sitting with a girl standing next to him doesn't constitute like screwing.

What if she just walked up and was "Like OMG your dwight fucking howard, i wnat a picture for my girlfriend who loves to think about you at night"

ya know?

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Makes Kapono look cheap- huh ?

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Naw, I'd rather have a 27-year-old former All-Star who can drop 20 a night for the max than a one-dimensional shooter for the full MLE.

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a guy sitting with a girl standing next to him doesn't constitute like screwing.

What if she just walked up and was "Like OMG your dwight fucking howard, i wnat a picture for my girlfriend who loves to think about you at night"

ya know?

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No, the very fact that he's in the same room with her means that anything he says about his religious beliefs is automatically a lie.

Of course, Mark Cuban automatically gets the benefit of the doubt until all the facts are heard.

:lol

great point OV

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It's a great signing from a talent point of view. Lewis averaged 22 and 6 last season. He will be a great addition to help out Dwight. Money wise that is too much but you have to overpay for top talent. Kapono got 24 million for godsake.

This makes Orlando a top 3 team in the east now. Depends what else they add.

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Rashard Lewis sucks. He put up 22 and 6 last year on the NBA's former wasteland team. Lewis is lazy and basically a chucker. He has average athleticism now and he cares way more about his jewelry and wearing XXXXXL white tshirts than he does improving the Magic.

Anything would have made Orlando a top 3 team in the East. They were probably going to be better from experience anyways. I don't understand NBA teams doing this to themselves. This has shades of the Allan Houston signing. In two years, nobody is going to want to touch his $15m/yr k, including the Magic.

Horrible signing - even talent wise. The Magic would have been better off paying Kapono $40 and at least having an elite shooter.

To those that said Presti should have got something, it looks like he heard you, but like someone else mentioned, how much leverage does he have? The Magic already threw away their future for him, what's another year to them? If Presti did trade him, doesn't he have to take back that much in k's? (This isn't sarcastic, I seriously am not sure because of what you said.)

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

No, the very fact that he's in the same room with her means that anything he says about his religious beliefs is automatically a lie.

Of course, Mark Cuban automatically gets the benefit of the doubt until all the facts are heard.

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No, it just means that he's a lot more tolerant of non-Christian behavior and ideals than what the other poster says. Beyond that, it's speculation.

Among other first-person accounts of that night:

http://www.lukeisback.com/archives/updates/061125.htm

"When Dwight [Howard] showed up, I didn't know what to do because I thought he was a very good Christian.

"When we went in the bathroom, he wasn't acting Christian-like. I was like, 'I thought you were really religious.' He started laughing and pulled his pants down. I was like, 'I can't do this here. I'm with Chris [Kirkpatrick] here.'

"He's like, 'My dad's at my house.'"

Even if it's just her word vs his, at the very least, his presence there mean he's not a stuck-up prude. I've made my point and proved my case: he doesn't expect others to live up to lofty Christian ideals in order to be his teammate or at the very least his friend.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Yes, I read it. The story was reported in several places. Oh yeah, that's right, blog = automatically not true.

Ha, PR fluff from the 4-letter, among others. Just because a guy makes an ostentatious display of his faith don't make it so. I really don't care what he does or doesn't do, or what his views on metaphysics are. It's just as likely that he's a simple God-fearing man as it is that he enjoys the NBA lifestyle. We don't know for sure what goes on in the private lives and I don't care either way. If we can't trust a blog, we can't trust his publicist either.

And yeah, I'm sure they're "just friends." I guess 4 a.m. is a good time to meet up with her to convince her to change her ways:

http://www.lukeisback.com/images/images/MaryDwight.jpg

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I'm pretty sure that there would have been an equally incriminating picture of Jesus, had there been photo-recording equipment available circa 30 B.C. He took in a prostitute, cared for her, saved her life when righteously indignant people were ready to end it.

Hanging out with a porn star doesn't implicate a person. It doesn't make him less of a Christian. It certainly raises some interesting questions as to his habits and ethics, but it isn't your place to say who he hangs out with -- or what kind of person he is for being seen in public with that person. He could be leading her to the Word for all you know.

Sorry for the thread hijack. :pctoss

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Hanging out with a porn star doesn't implicate a person.

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No it doesn't, and that wasn't my point.

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It doesn't make him less of a Christian.

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Never claimed that either.

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It certainly raises some interesting questions as to his habits and ethics,

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That WAS my point -- in response to another poster who said Howard's religious beliefs would preclude him from wanting to be teammates with those that didn't share his beliefs or live up to Christian standards and morals.

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but it isn't your place to say who he hangs out with -- or what kind of person he is for being seen in public with that person.

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Never said he couldn't do this or that or was passing judgment on him. His business is his business. But what this all proves is that he's NOT a prude -- which is the basis of the original claim made in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Among other first-person accounts of that night:

http://www.lukeisback.com/archives/updates/061125.htm

"When Dwight [Howard] showed up, I didn't know what to do because I thought he was a very good Christian.

"When we went in the bathroom, he wasn't acting Christian-like. I was like, 'I thought you were really religious.' He started laughing and pulled his pants down. I was like, 'I can't do this here. I'm with Chris [Kirkpatrick] here.'

"He's like, 'My dad's at my house.'"

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Um, that appears to be the same account by the same person in the original blog, and you are apparently trying to pass it off as a second source. At least this one actually suggests he did something.

Well, in order to get the whole truth, aparently all you need are two half-truths. Well done, Mavfan. :rolleyes

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Um, that appears to be the same account by the same person in the original blog, and you are apparently trying to pass it off as a second source. At least this one actually suggests he did something.

Well, in order to get the whole truth, aparently all you need are two half-truths. Well done, Mavfan. :rolleyes

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It's an interview with Mary Carey. I don't have to prove something happened between them sexually because that's not my point. My point is that he's not a stuck-up prude that shuns non-Christians. Way to knock down a strawman, Spurs fan.

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Originally Posted by Findog

It's an interview with Mary Carey. I don't have to prove something happened between them sexually because that's not my point. My point is that he's not a stuck-up prude that shuns non-Christians. Way to knock down a strawman, Spurs fan.

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Then what was the point of this?

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Originally Posted by Findog

The hell he is:

http://deadspin.com/sports/nba/dwigh...ars-215602.php

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Originally Posted by Findog

It's an interview with Mary Carey. I don't have to prove something happened between them sexually because that's not my point. My point is that he's not a stuck-up prude that shuns non-Christians. Way to knock down a strawman, Spurs fan.

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I know you rarely make sense, but your point wasn't anywhere close to being that reasonable or defensible. You said "the hell he is" when someone referred to him as a "pretty strong Christian" and then posted that rambling crap as evidence, only to balk at the articles I posted supporting what that person had said about his faith. There's no strawman there, that was your weak ass argument I've been knocking down, just like almost every other argument you ever make.

Way to just make shit up and try to lie to cover your ass, Mav fan. What's next, you gonna change your previous posts now?

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2: Clear money for Darko. While it's not impossible that they could, there is no reason that they HAVE to combine the two issues...

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Actually, they do. Darko made $5.28M, and he counts a multiplier of that (1.5? 2?) against the cap until he is signed or renounced. Orlando doesn't have anywhere NEAR the room to sign Rashard to anything close to that deal until they resolve the Darko situtation. Seattle can basically force them to renounce him by refusing any deal they don't like.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Actually, they do. Darko made $5.28M, and he counts a multiplier of that (1.5? 2?) against the cap until he is signed or renounced. Orlando doesn't have anywhere NEAR the room to sign Rashard to anything close to that deal until they resolve the Darko situtation. Seattle can basically force them to renounce him by refusing any deal they don't like.

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Yeah, Seattle can turn down any deal that they don't like. But trades can be made with other teams to clear the necessary cap space if they really really want to keep Darko.

It's not necessary for Seattle to take contracts off their hands in order to prevent Darko from being renounced. Any team - with cap space - can be used.

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I know you rarely make sense, but your point wasn't anywhere close to being that reasonable or defensible.

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I know you're not stupid, so I'll chalk this up to you being a disingenuous asshole than being illiterate.

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You said "the hell he is" when someone referred to him as a "pretty strong Christian"

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"The hell he is" was in response to someone comparing him to David Robinson. Go back to Page 3 and look it up:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...2&postcount=57

Correct me if I'm wrong, but were there ever any stories of David Robinson consorting with porn stars in the wee hours of the morning? And unlike Dwight Howard, who is pornstar-friendly and doesn't hold people around him to his lofty standards, didn't David Robinson have an instrumental role in sending Dennis Rodman out of town? I'm honestly asking you on that last one, because unlike you, I don't haughtily presume to know more about another team's history than fans of that team. There's a major difference between David Robinson and Dwight Howard.

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only to balk at the articles I posted supporting what that person had said about his faith.

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Howard has a well-known reputation for being ostentatious about his faith. There's no way to prove whatsover what is in a person's heart. Your articles didn't tell me anything I don't already know.

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There's no strawman there, that was your weak ass argument I've been knocking down, just like almost every other argument you ever make.

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I really suspect that that you twist arguments and pick fights solely because my avatar is of the Three J's instead of somebody donning the silver and black and I list my favorite team as hailing from the Metroplex instead of central Texas. I remember the first argument we had centered around you claiming I had no awareness of my own team's history, and then I quickly set you straight. Same tune, different verse.

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Way to just make shit up and try to lie to cover your ass, Mav fan.

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Way to concoct strawman arguments and display a troubling amount of aggression.

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What's next, you gonna change your previous posts now?

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No, why would I? I even posted a link to it. If people care about this retarded cripple fight you started, they can read it and conclude for themselves:


"Dwight Howard is a strong Christian like David Robinson."

"The hell he is."

So, are you being stupid or are you just a haughty douchebag trying to put 14-yr-old Mav fan with the pink Josh Howard jersey in her place? You have the bigger trophy case, be content with that.

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Originally Posted by T Park

a guy sitting with a girl standing next to him doesn't constitute like screwing.

What if she just walked up and was "Like OMG your dwight fucking howard, i wnat a picture for my girlfriend who loves to think about you at night"

ya know?

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It was more like she invited him to a party, and according to her, he exposed himself in a bathroom.

Maybe he was taking a whiz?

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

Maybe he was taking a whiz?

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haha, she was obstructing his view of the toilet so he could relieve himself.

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Originally Posted by Findog

"The hell he is" was in response to someone comparing him to David Robinson. Go back to Page 3 and look it up:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...2&postcount=57

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:bang Let's try this again: I responded in the first place because you cited his knowing a porn star as the sole reason to refute that someone said he was a "pretty strong Christian." I'm not the one who needs reading comprehension lessons, here. You later found more text that actually suggested he did something improper, which makes the Robinson comparison laughable, but was still not the point I had been arguing, and was still the same story from the same person. You keep suggesting that you can't know what's in someone's heart as a defense for continually suggesting that he's a hypocrite who isn't really a Christian. That's the height of hypocrisy. Again, not surprising from you, since you blindly defend Mark Cuban at every turn, yet you throw Howard under the bus based upon the word of someone you impartially refer to as a "whore". I have no personal stake in this, but you made yet another stupid statement and have yet to stop trying to defend it.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Correct me if I'm wrong, but were there ever any stories of David Robinson consorting with porn stars in the wee hours of the morning? And unlike Dwight Howard, who is pornstar-friendly and doesn't hold people around him to his lofty standards, didn't David Robinson have an instrumental role in sending Dennis Rodman out of town? I'm honestly asking you on that last one, because unlike you, I don't haughtily presume to know more about another team's history than fans of that team. There's a major difference between David Robinson and Dwight Howard.

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First of all, the only reason I know more about your team than you do is because I've been a fan of them at least as long as you have, and only stopped being a fan when Mark Cuban became the owner and took all the class out of the organization.

And if you'd said anything remotely as reasonable as "There's a major difference between David Robinson and Dwight Howard" I'd have been right there agreeing with you.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Howard has a well-known reputation for being ostentatious about his faith. There's no way to prove whatsover what is in a person's heart. Your articles didn't tell me anything I don't already know.

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As judgmental as you appear to be (but only if Mark Cuban isn't involved, because we need to withhold our opinions on him until all the evidence is heard), I'm not surprised that no amount of evidence is going to change your mind when compared to an unsubstantiated report on a porn blog of a single person's account of a single incident with a photograph of two people sitting together as evidence.

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Originally Posted by Findog

I really suspect that that you twist arguments and pick fights solely because my avatar is of the Three J's instead of somebody donning the silver and black and I list my favorite team as hailing from the Metroplex instead of central Texas. I remember the first argument we had centered around you claiming I had no awareness of my own team's history, and then I quickly set you straight. Same tune, different verse.

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I never even bothered to look at your avatar. Our first argument was you making over-generalizations based upon all Mark Cuban had done for the team, and when I took you on about it, you said that he was an improvement from Perot and I agreed. That's hardly setting me straight.

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Originally Posted by Findog

Way to concoct strawman arguments and display a troubling amount of aggression.

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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. I've explained in exhausting detail the single argument that I refuted, repeatedly. I never implied that you said something you didn't. You keep trying to alter what the original statement was, and what your response was to it. If you'd said anything less unreasonable I wouldn't have bothered to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Findog

No, why would I? I even posted a link to it. If people care about this retarded cripple fight you started, they can read it and conclude for themselves:


"Dwight Howard is a strong Christian like David Robinson."

"The hell he is."

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You probably shouldn't put the person's orginal statement in quotes if you aren't going to make it exact, but this is what you keep doing. The person said he was a "pretty strong Christian- much like our own David Robinson." The modifiers "pretty strong" and "much like", which you keep neglecting to include, do not suggest that he's exactly like David Robinson, and the hyphen indicates that the second part of the sentence is not the primary idea being conveyed. Most of your statements in this regard since then seem to be centered around your belief that Howard is lying about his faith. Though you can't possibly know that, it hasn't stopped you from using that exact argument against others. What you've done is much closer to a definition of a strawman argument than anything I've done, and you've done it repeatedly.

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Originally Posted by Findog

So, are you being stupid or are you just a haughty douchebag trying to put 14-yr-old Mav fan with the pink Josh Howard jersey in her place? You have the bigger trophy case, be content with that.

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Since you felt the need to PM this argument to me, just to make sure I saw it, I get the feeling that you didn't want me to stop paying attention to you. There are only so many ways I can explain how stupid your original statement was, and how incredibly biased you are, but we already know that about you by your body of work on this site. The fact that I dislike you has much more to do with what you say than who you root for. The size of my team's trophy case has nothing to do with your idiocy.

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You keep suggesting that you can't know what's in someone's heart as a defense for continually suggesting that he's a hypocrite who isn't really a Christian.

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Never suggested he was a hypocrite or Christian in name only. Just objected to the David Robinson comparison. It's right there at post #57. My post before that objected to the idea that he had a moral problem with non-Christians. If you refuse to acknowledge that, I'll chalk that up to a personal vendetta than anything else.

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First of all, the only reason I know more about your team than you do is because I've been a fan of them at least as long as you have, and only stopped being a fan when Mark Cuban became the owner and took all the class out of the organization.

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You don't know more about my team than I do, and I doubt you've followed them as long as I have, which would date back to the Aguirre-Blackman-Motta days. You really should work on the haughty arrogance part, it's not merited.

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And if you'd said anything remotely as reasonable as "There's a major difference between David Robinson and Dwight Howard" I'd have been right there agreeing with you.

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I didn't say it like that word for word, but that's been my argument. Pity that you would rather pick a fight than let it pass without comment.

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As judgmental as you appear to be (but only if Mark Cuban isn't involved, because we need to withhold our opinions on him until all the evidence is heard), I'm not surprised that no amount of evidence is going to change your mind when compared to an unsubstantiated report on a porn blog of a single person's account of a single incident with a photograph of two people sitting together as evidence.

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Check out my reply to CryHavoc. I never said that anything Dwight Howard has done doesn't make him a Christian.

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I never even bothered to look at your avatar. Our first argument was you making over-generalizations based upon all Mark Cuban had done for the team, and when I took you on about it, you said that he was an improvement from Perot and I agreed. That's hardly setting me straight.

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You were factually wrong then ("Mavs were a contender when Cuban took over") and you're wrong now ("You're calling Howard a Christian in Name Only"). Same tune, different verse. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you used to have the phrase "Mavericks fan owner" underneath your screenname? Aren't you the guy who treats every Mavs fan, no matter how reasonable they are, as 12 yr old girls in pink Josh Howard jerseys?

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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

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A strawman argument is responding to the argument that is easier to refute than the one the other person actually made. That's what you did here and that's what you do repeatedly.

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I've explained in exhausting detail the single argument that I refuted, repeatedly.

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You've refuted the argument you assigned to me, not the argument I actually made.

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You keep trying to alter what the original statement was, and what your response was to it.

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No, I didn't. Did I edit my post? Did I delete it? I stand by what I said in post #57. I can't help it if you either have problems parsing it or you want to twist it so you can once again "put the Mavericks fan in his place" and let them know that Obstructed View "owns."

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If you'd said anything less unreasonable I wouldn't have bothered to disagree.

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But that would be boring and wouldn't give you an opportunity to pick a fight, so you did this instead.

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You probably shouldn't put the person's orginal statement in quotes if you aren't going to make it exact, but this is what you keep doing.

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That IS a mistake on my part, I typed it out at the end of a long reply rather than go back and copy and paste, but the substance is the same. Do you understand what paraphrasing is?

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Most of your statements in this regard since then seem to be centered around your belief that Howard is lying about his faith.

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Most of my statements center around responding to two original posters who claimed that Howard had a moral problem with weed smokers and was very similar to David Robinson. Partying with pornstars doesn't make him a hypocrite about his faith, it just demonstrates that he's not a prude and he doesn't have the same situational ethics as David Robinson. I suspect you can grasp this but you'd rather just argue. Posting some articles about his faith from ESPN doesn't address either of those claims. It's pretty much irrelevant.

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idiocy....needs reading comprehension lessons...you made yet another stupid statement

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Ad hominem. Excellent. And you accuse others of having no class. Translation: "I am out of rhetorical ammo and am losing the argument."

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but we already know that about you by your body of work on this site

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Who is we? How many people do you speak for? I'm a Mavs fan on a Spurs board. The more rabid of Spurs homers here cough*OV* cough are never going to be nice or respectful to a Mavs fan, no matter what. I can live with that. That's the price I pay for coming here. There are others who like to talk hoops and NBA and are respectful as long as you don't talk smack. Which group do you think you're in?