As It Stands: Spurs Salaries

After agreeing with Oberto, Bonner and Vaughn, the salary cap picture is beginning to clear up. Here are the projected salaries for the 2007-08 season:

Tim Duncan -- $19,014,188
Tony Parker -- $10,500,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,079,811
Brent Barry -- $5,544,370
Bruce Bowen -- $4,125,000
Robert Horry -- $3,630,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Michael Finley -- $3,103,000
Francisco Elson -- $3,000,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Jackie Butler -- $2,350,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590
James White -- $687,456
Marcus Williams -- $427,163
TOTAL -- $70,345,094

For purposes of the luxury tax threshold, Vaughn will only count $770,610 toward it, since he's a 10+ year veteran on a minimum contract. However, White will also count $770,610 since he was also signed as a free agent. With those adjustment, it looks like the team's salary is $69,979,268.

Last season, the luxury tax threshold was $65,420,000. This upcoming season that number is expect to be somewhere between $67,000,000 and $70,000,000. If it comes in at the high estimate, the Spurs should avoid paying the tax. If it comes in low, that'd make the team even more willing to ship off a player such as Beno Udrih.

However, this also means that the Spurs are highly unlikely to use their mid-level exception this year. If they do, the salary for that player will actually be doubled due to the luxury tax. For San Antonio to alter their roster from now to the beginning of the season, it's much more likely that they'd do so via trade.




The supposed 2008 plan, which called for the Spurs to get under the salary cap enough to sign a free agent to go with the Big Three, looks less promising with the re-signings of Oberto and Bonner. However, it appears that the Spurs should still have some room to operate. For the 2008-09 season, the following salaries are on the books:

Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,500,000
Matt Bonner -- $3,038,750
Jacque Vaughn -- $1,262,275

After adjusting Vaughn's salary again, that's $49,363,312 on the books. Adding in the six minimum salary spots (because you have to have at least 12 player spots counting against the cap) and assuming that San Antonio renounces the rights to all the other players, the Spurs total charge against the 2008-09 salary cap looks to be $51,926,290.

If the salary cap for the 2008-09 season comes in at $58,000,000 or more (which isn't too unlikely due to the new TV contract), the Spurs should have more than the mid-level exception to try to acquire a marquee player, even after the moves they made this summer.

My CBA knowledge is a little rusty so feel free correct any mistakes. :smokin

Maybe not likely but Duncan could opt out and sign a longer deal staring at a lower salary to help out, no?

Well the good thing is that with Oberto/TD/Manu/Tony you have 4 out of the starting 5 already under contract.

Do you think Bowen will play after next season? If so, will he still start? I think 08 might be the right year to get a good starting SF. Splitter might come over and Butler could still be on the team (he signed for 3 years iirc), Maybe White develops into a solid rotation player. So you have:

TP/Vaughn
Manu/ White
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TD/Bonner
Oberto/Splitter/Butler

The frontcourt looks solid. Maybe Mahinmi could come over as well. I wonder who the Spurs target if it comes down to a SF. I think they might be interested in Diaw. But he did not play that well last year. With Finley/Barry you lose a lot of outside shooting. If I look at the lineup above there are no real shooters anymore (only Bonner) on the team so I guess they will also take a look at good/great shooters.

1. Long defensive SF who is able to hit the 3
2. Perimeter shooting

Don't the Spurs kind of have to sign Scola this summer...or lose him for good? Or at least for his prime?

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Maybe not likely but Duncan could opt out and sign a longer deal staring at a lower salary to help out, no?

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It's possible. However, I think it's more likely that he just signs a two-year extension this summer.

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Originally Posted by Streakyshooter08

Do you think Bowen will play after next season? If so, will he still start?

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Tough to tell. He's at the age where a player can look fine one day and then be finished the next. We'll have to readdress this after the upcoming season.

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Originally Posted by Streakyshooter08

If I look at the lineup above there are no real shooters anymore (only Bonner) on the team so I guess they will also take a look at good/great shooters.

1. Long defensive SF who is able to hit the 3
2. Perimeter shooting

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Agreed. As far as the shooting goes, that might be a reason they are looking at someone like Matt Carroll. After Bowen, Finley and Barry are no longer Spurs, they'll need to replace them with some sharpshooters. A Tim Duncan team without shooters is an ugly sight.

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Originally Posted by whottt

Don't the Spurs kind of have to sign Scola this summer...or lose him for good? Or at least for his prime?

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No, he becomes a free agent from Tau Ceramica on June 30th, 2008. That is the point when it becomes most likely that Scola will finally reach the NBA.

Tiago Splitter has an option next summer to buy out his contract to go to the NBA for $1M. If he doesn't do that next summer, his contract gets automatically extended until 2112.

If Bonner get a $9M contract wit a 10.5% raise, his first year salary will be $2,714,932.
Vaughn second year salary will be $1,262,275, the minimum salary for 10+ vet in 08-09.
White will too count $770,610 against the luxury tax.

The salary cap should raise by $2.7M only with the new TV deal.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

If Bonner get a $9M contract wit a 10.5% raise, his first year salary will be $2,714,932.

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The Ludden article said "about $9M". Starting at $2.75M like I have it has Bonner making a little over $9.1M. Until we see a definite figure, it's still a guess. But it's probably safe to say it's between $8.8M-$9.2M.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Vaughn second year salary will be $1,262,275, the minimum salary for 10+ vet in 08-09.

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I got $1,317,157 by giving him an 8% raise on what he'll make next year. That's not how it works for veteran minimums?

It's reported he'll earn $2.5M over two years. My way, he makes a tad bit more. Your way, he makes a tad bit less.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

White will too count $770,610 against the luxury tax.

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You sure? Even though his salary will be less?

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Originally Posted by Bruno

The salary cap should raise by $2.7M only with the new TV deal.

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What do you think the cap will be this year and in '08-09? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Tiago Splitter has an option next summer to buy out his contract to go to the NBA for $1M. If he doesn't do that next summer, his contract gets automatically extended until 2112.

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Wow! This guy must be not from Brazil, but from Valinor! :p:

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Originally Posted by timvp

I got $1,317,157 by giving him an 8% raise on what he'll make next year. That's not how it works for veteran minimums?

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No. You had to respect the minimum salary scale. If you don't do it, Spurs will have to pay teh whole salary and the whole salry will count agaisnt the luxury tax and salry cap.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19

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Teams can offer players minimum salary contracts even if they are over the cap. Contracts can be up to two years in length. For two year contracts, the second season salary is the minimum salary for that season.

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You sure? Even though his salary will be less?

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Yes.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#16

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For players who signed as free agents (i.e., not draft picks), and make less than the two-year minimum salary, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is used in place of their actual salary.

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Originally Posted by timvp

What do you think the cap will be this year and in '08-09?

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I've read a lot of things for this year from $54.5M to $57M.
$55M seems to be the consensus.
We should have a better idea of what will be the cap for 08/09 when the cap for 07/08 will be released.
If the 07/08 cap is at $55M, $60M for the 08/09 cap seems reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

No. You had to respect the minimum salary scale. If you don't do it, Spurs will have to pay teh whole salary and the whole salry will count agaisnt the luxury tax and salry cap.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19

Yes.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#16

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Thanks for the info. I forgot to factor in the Spurs didn't draft White. I'll change it :tu

Do Mahinmi and Splitter count anything right now? Or would they next summer if the Spurs are trying to open up cap room?

I thought I remember that unsigned first round draft picks count against the cap somehow, but I can't find it in the CBA.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

I've read a lot of things for this year from $54.5M to $57M.
$55M seems to be the consensus.
We should have a better idea of what will be the cap for 08/09 when the cap for 07/08 will be released.
If the 07/08 cap is at $55M, $60M for the 08/09 cap seems reasonable.

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So it's possible that the Spurs could have $8M to spend under the cap next summer. That could land a pretty nice player.

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Originally Posted by Manudona

Wow! This guy must be not from Brazil, but from Valinor! :p:

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:lol Tau is ruthless. :hat








(Should say 2012)

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Originally Posted by timvp

Do Mahinmi and Splitter count anything right now? Or would they next summer if the Spurs are trying to open up cap room?

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Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft. They count as 100% of the scale salary for that pick, unless there is a verbal agreement for a higher salary.

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http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#43 :)

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft. They count as 100% of the scale salary for that pick, unless there is a verbal agreement for a higher salary.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#43

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Does that mean that they will count this year in regards to the luxury tax? And do you know if Mahinmi will count 100% of the scale in the year he was drafted or the current scale?


Thanks again :lol

hi you all,

Timvp, just a little thing to edit in your first post : brent Barry instead of the second Manu ?

Xap'

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Originally Posted by timvp

Does that mean that they will count this year in regards to the luxury tax? And do you know if Mahinmi will count 100% of the scale in the year he was drafted or the current scale?

Thanks again :lol

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It looks like Mahinmi and Splitter do currently count in respect to the luxury tax threshold. If that is the case, each would count about $750,000 and that would push the Spurs past any hope of coming under the luxury tax threshold.

I'll wait for Bruno confirmation that but that's what I gather from the CBA.

Trading away Beno and bringing in Mahinmi this summer makes even more sense if Mahinmi is costing them money anyways and Beno is what separates the Spurs from not having to pay tax.

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Originally Posted by xapatan2

hi you all,

Timvp, just a little thing to edit in your first post : brent Barry instead of the second Manu ?

Xap'

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Thanks. Can always count on French Spurs fans. :tu

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Originally Posted by timvp

Does that mean that they will count this year in regards to the luxury tax? And do you know if Mahinmi will count 100% of the scale in the year he was drafted or the current scale?

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No, unsigned first round picks, who are udner contract with a non nba team (like Splitter and mahinmi), count against the cap only between July 1st and the first day of the regular season.
The Luxury tax is based on the team total salary at the last day of the season. So, when the luxury tax is calculated, unsigned first round picks doesn't count against the cap.

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Thanks again :lol

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You're welcome ;)

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Originally Posted by Bruno

No, unsigned first round picks, who are udner contract with a non nba team (like Splitter and mahinmi), count against the cap only between July 1st and the first day of the regular season.
The Luxury tax is based on the team total salary at the last day of the season. So, when the luxury tax is calculated, unsigned first round picks doesn't count against the cap.

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Okay, I will trust what you say. That's easier than trying to look it up again :dizzy

I don't get why people think that Bruce might not play after next season...As far as I've heard, he hasn't talked about retiring anytime soon. I only read about Horry saying that the upcoming season will be his last, more than likely. As for Bruce, he just had a phenomenal playoff and finals run. He was absolutely superb. His defense on Lebron was just amazing. Not to mention his clutch 3 in Game 5 agains the Suns. And also some 3s during a finals game when the big 3 were struggling. Why would he retire after next year?

I think he can play for another 3 years. I'm hoping the Spurs will give him another contract. I just cannot imagine the Spurs without Bruce. He is the best defender...Who is going to guard Kobe, AI, Carmelo, etc? So I sure hope he'd want to stay for a while longer. And I'd really hope the Spurs will give him a contract if he wants to play longer.

Being just above the Luxury tax won't be a big problem this year.

Being $1 over the Luxury tax threshold costed $2.4M in 05-06, $1.8M in 06-07 and will cost around $1M in 07-08.

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Okay, I will trust what you say. That's easier than trying to look it up again :dizzy

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If you want all details about that :
http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_4.php

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(e) First Round Picks.

(1) A First Round Pick, immediately upon selection in the Draft, shall be included in the Team Salary of the Team that holds his draft rights at 100% of his applicable Rookie Scale Amount, and, subject to Section 4(e)(2) below, shall continue to be included in the Team Salary of any Team that holds his draft rights (including any Team to which the player’s draft rights are assigned) until such time as the player signs with such Team or until the Team loses or assigns its exclusive draft rights to the player.

(2) In the event that a First Round Pick signs with a non-NBA team, the player’s applicable Rookie Scale Amount shall be excluded from the Team Salary of the Team that holds his draft rights, beginning on the date he signs such non-NBA contract or the first day of the Regular Season, whichever is later, and shall be included again in his Team’s Team Salary at the applicable Rookie Scale Amount on the following July 1 or the date the player’s contract ends (or the player is released from his non-NBA contractual obligations), whichever is earlier, unless the Team renounces its exclusive rights to the player in accordance with Article X, Section 4(f). If, after such following July 1, or any subsequent July 1, the player signs another, or remains under, contract with a non-NBA team, the player’s applicable Rookie Scale Amount will again be excluded from Team Salary beginning on the date of the contract signing or the first day of the Regular Season commencing after such July 1, whichever is later, and will again be included in Team Salary at the applicable Rookie Scale Amount on the following July 1 or the date the player’s contract ends (or the player is released from his non-NBA contractual obligations), whichever is earlier, unless the Team renounces its exclusive rights to the player in accordance with Article X, Section 4(f).

(3) For purposes of this Section 4(e), in the event that a First Round Pick does not sign a Contract with the Team that holds his draft rights during the Salary Cap Year immediately following the Draft in which he was selected (or during the same Salary Cap Year in which he was drafted if the Draft occurs on or after July 1), the “applicable Rookie Scale Amount” for such First Round Pick means, with respect to any subsequent Salary Cap Year, the Rookie Scale Amount that would apply if the player were drafted in the Draft immediately preceding such Salary Cap Year at the same draft position at which he was actually selected.

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If you want all details about that :
http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_4.php

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Appreciate it :tu

Too bad you weren't on the forum back in 2001 thru 2004 when the Spurs performed salary cap gymnastics all summer. Would have saved me a lot of reading :)

good job timvp......im still a little rusty on the NBA's cap. I have been doing simulated season's on NBA 2k7 and Im always in cap trouble.

Didnt realize Barry was paid that much. A great team player and a great shooter at times, he needs to be traded (as does Beno). Trade Scolas rights with one (or both of these guys) for Nocioni.

This is a very fine thread guys. It offers a nice feel for how things shape-up over the next couple of seasons. I know it's not easy coming up with accurate data. It makes you see and appreciate what professional sports organizations have to go through and their limitations in building them.

Not many people were completely satisfied with the talent the Spurs had throughout most of the 2006-07 season...even as the last game was played. The Spurs still won as one tough unit and that can only be done on wood, not paper.

The money side of the NBA still confuses me and I consider myself fairly educated!

I've learned so much from the hard work you guys put into bringing this information to us and putting it in language that's understandable.

Thank to timvp, Bruno, and all the others that continue to help us laymen stay educated on how it all comes together. :toast

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Originally Posted by timvp

After adjusting Vaughn's salary again, that's $49,363,312 on the books. Adding in the six minimum salary spots (because you have to have at least 12 player spots counting against the cap) and assuming that San Antonio renounces the rights to all the other players, the Spurs total charge against the 2008-09 salary cap looks to be $51,926,290.

If the salary cap for the 2008-09 season comes in at $58,000,000 or more (which isn't too unlikely due to the new TV contract), the Spurs should have more than the mid-level exception to try to acquire a marquee player, even after the moves they made this summer.

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This is where Ian and Splitter matter- I believe. They count against the cap space available to sign players in the summer, unless of course you sign them to one of those 12 spots.

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I don't get why people think that Bruce might not play after next season...As far as I've heard, he hasn't talked about retiring anytime soon. I only read about Horry saying that the upcoming season will be his last, more than likely. As for Bruce, he just had a phenomenal playoff and finals run. He was absolutely superb. His defense on Lebron was just amazing. Not to mention his clutch 3 in Game 5 agains the Suns. And also some 3s during a finals game when the big 3 were struggling. Why would he retire after next year?

I think he can play for another 3 years. I'm hoping the Spurs will give him another contract. I just cannot imagine the Spurs without Bruce. He is the best defender...Who is going to guard Kobe, AI, Carmelo, etc? So I sure hope he'd want to stay for a while longer. And I'd really hope the Spurs will give him a contract if he wants to play longer.

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People think he won't play because he's getting fucking old and can't keep doing what he's doing forever.

Duh.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

People think he won't play because he's getting fucking old and can't keep doing what he's doing forever.

Duh.

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Has he shown signs of weaknesses and slowing down in the finals? Could he have guarded Lebron any better?

I get that he's getting older...but I just don't see any signs of him getting worse at the moment. I think it all depends on whether he wants to play for a few more years or whether he'd want to retire. And I've never heard him say a word about retiring soon or anything like that.

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Originally Posted by timvp

After adjusting Vaughn's salary again, that's $49,363,312 on the books. Adding in the six minimum salary spots (because you have to have at least 12 player spots counting against the cap) and assuming that San Antonio renounces the rights to all the other players, the Spurs total charge against the 2008-09 salary cap looks to be $51,926,290.

If the salary cap for the 2008-09 season comes in at $58,000,000 or more (which isn't too unlikely due to the new TV contract), the Spurs should have more than the mid-level exception to try to acquire a marquee player, even after the moves they made this summer.

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What is the MLE nowadays? I suppose the Spurs can outbid other MLE offers, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by spurster

What is the MLE nowadays? I suppose the Spurs can outbid other MLE offers, but that's about it.

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It is based on average player salary. That value exception isn't determined until the start of the free agent signing period...according to Cox.

It was $5 Million in 2005-06. Last year it was $5.215 million.

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Has he shown signs of weaknesses and slowing down in the finals? Could he have guarded Lebron any better?

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Actually he has, and we had a big man soft doubling Lebron the whole series. Bowen could never shut him down. He's too damn strong.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Actually he has, and we had a big man soft doubling Lebron the whole series. Bowen could never shut him down. He's too damn strong.

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Even when LeBron was a rookie, Bruce could only provide the first-front in James' face. LeBron is too strong.

Exstatic is right regarding helping with a Big. Oberto actually did his best work all year during the Finals helping Bruce on traps, hedges and what-have-you.

Bonner should've been offered a 2 year minimum contract. There isn't a team out there that would've beat it. The Spurs suck at negotiation.

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Originally Posted by timvp

My CBA knowledge is a little rusty so feel free correct any mistakes. :smokin

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Does a team have to pay the luxury tax if they go $1.00 over the cap? Or, is there another level where the tax does kick in dollar for dollar? For example, if the cap is $70 million, is there another level say $72 million where if breached the tax kicks in? So if a team was at $71.5 millioon they would not pay a tax? They would not get the rebate from the league by staying under the $70 million level though. Seems like I recall some buffer zone that allowed this.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Bonner should've been offered a 2 year minimum contract. There isn't a team out there that would've beat it. The Spurs suck at negotiation.

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The painting isn't finished, Mr. Impatient.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Bonner should've been offered a 2 year minimum contract. There isn't a team out there that would've beat it. The Spurs suck at negotiation.

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For all the strengths of the front office, they seem to be a bit sentimental when dealing with our own free agents. See Rose, Malik or Jackson, Jaren.

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo

For all the strengths of the front office, they seem to be a bit sentimental when dealing with our own free agents. See Rose, Malik or Jackson, Jaren.

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Don't know. We may actually have gotten quite the discount.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...4&postcount=32

Even the cheapest of the good contracts listed are ~4,000,000/year. Bonner's getting 3,000,000/year.

The other thing to consider to is these 3 million a year contracts help when cap filler is needed for trades, if necessary.

Bonner put them in the luxury cap threshold, therefore, they are going to pay 6 million dollars for a bench player who hands out water during the playoffs.....

while leaving there midlevel unused on a player who can actually contribute.

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Has he shown signs of weaknesses and slowing down in the finals? Could he have guarded Lebron any better?

I get that he's getting older...but I just don't see any signs of him getting worse at the moment. I think it all depends on whether he wants to play for a few more years or whether he'd want to retire. And I've never heard him say a word about retiring soon or anything like that.

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Bowen showed signs during the regular season, particularly when it came to back to backs, of slowing down.

He played about as well as he could during the Finals, but still had a soft double coming on every play from the play side big to help defend LeBron.

And he's only going to get slower from here on out.

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For all the strengths of the front office, they seem to be a bit sentimental when dealing with our own free agents. See Rose, Malik or Jackson, Jaren.

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Have you seen what other FAs are getting this year so far? Matt Carroll. Kapono. Etc. This is a bargain.

Bonner is going to be near the bottom third of the payscale for the Spurs. Complainers complain. Players play. :smokin


Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Jackie Butler -- $2,350,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590
James White -- $687,456

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Bonner is going to be near the bottom third of the payscale for the Spurs. Complainers complain. Players play. :smokin


Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Jackie Butler -- $2,350,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590
James White -- $687,456

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While I'm not against the Bonner signing, that's hardly the greatest endorsement for the deal. How many players in that list are worth a damn? If what you're saying is the Spurs just inked a guy to bolster the very end of their bench, I'm not sure that's a ringing plus.

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Originally Posted by timvp

My CBA knowledge is a little rusty so feel free correct any mistakes. :smokin

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I thought you don't get the MLE if you're under the cap

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Does a team have to pay the luxury tax if they go $1.00 over the cap? Or, is there another level where the tax does kick in dollar for dollar? For example, if the cap is $70 million, is there another level say $72 million where if breached the tax kicks in? So if a team was at $71.5 millioon they would not pay a tax? They would not get the rebate from the league by staying under the $70 million level though. Seems like I recall some buffer zone that allowed this.

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pretty sure if you are $1 over the cap you pay $1 on top of it

Players under $3M per year are usually either injury insurance players, players in their first contracts (rookie), or veteran minimums. Bonner is more than just a $2.7M insurance policy for Robert Horry. Bonner can really contribute at both ends of the court, providing scoring, rebounding and infectious hustle. He's a great value for a rotation player and, if healthy, he WILL be a rotation player in 2007-08.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Players under $3M per year are usually either injury insurance players, players in their first contracts (rookie), or veteran minimums. Bonner is more than just a $2.7M insurance policy for Robert Horry. Bonner can really contribute at both ends of the court, providing scoring, rebounding and infectious hustle. He's a great value for a rotation player and, if healthy, he WILL be a rotation player in 2007-08.

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BS.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Players under $3M per year are usually either injury insurance players, players in their first contracts (rookie), or veteran minimums. Bonner is more than just a $2.7M insurance policy for Robert Horry. Bonner can really contribute at both ends of the court, providing scoring, rebounding and infectious hustle. He's a great value for a rotation player and, if healthy, he WILL be a rotation player in 2007-08.

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There's nothing wrong with Bonner's salary. Spurs fans who think there is need to stick to the gridiron.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Bonner is going to be near the bottom third of the payscale for the Spurs. Complainers complain. Players play. :smokin


Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Jackie Butler -- $2,350,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590
James White -- $687,456

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9 million dollars of nothing.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

9 million dollars of nothing.

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Only 9 since that list had Barry missing from it.

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Originally Posted by Twisted_Dawg

Does a team have to pay the luxury tax if they go $1.00 over the cap? Or, is there another level where the tax does kick in dollar for dollar? For example, if the cap is $70 million, is there another level say $72 million where if breached the tax kicks in? So if a team was at $71.5 millioon they would not pay a tax? They would not get the rebate from the league by staying under the $70 million level though. Seems like I recall some buffer zone that allowed this.

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There is a luxury tax threshold. As soon as you are above it you pay $1 for each $1.
If the luxury tax threshold is at $70M, a team with a $71M total salary will pay $1M in luxury tax, a team will a $80M total salary will pay $10M in luxury tax.

The luxury tax money recolted is redistributed between teams (the league tooko too a part fo it) and teams under the luxury tax get a bigger part of it.
For example, 5 teams have paid the tax, 25 teams haven't paid the tax and the luxury tax recolted is $60M. the 25 teams under the tax will get 1/30th of the $60M ($2M per team). The $10M left will be devided between the league and nba teams.
As soon as a team is 1$ above the tax, a lot of money is lost (1/30th of the recolted luxury tax).

A team above the tax has two penalties :
- A dollar for dollar tax.
- Less luxury tax money redisdributed to them.

The luxury tax threshold came in at $67,865,000. The Spurs have $69,979,268 in salary that counts toward the luxury tax threshold. That means the Spurs are $2,114,268 over the luxury tax threshold.

This probably isn't the greatest news because that means that the Spurs will be looking to dump some salary. Then again, they paid the tax last year so maybe they'll just pay it again. It's not everyday you can be in the championship hunt.

But it probably officially ends the dream that the Spurs would use the MLE this summer.

trade beno for trade exception
spurs could then use some of that mle

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trade beno for trade exception
spurs could then use some of that mle

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If you trade Beno to a team that can absorb his salary, the luxury tax number of $2,114,268 would shrink to $367,172. But that assumes the Spurs that the Spurs don't bring in anyone to fill that 15th roster spot.

And it'd still mean that the Spurs wouldn't use their MLE.

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trade beno for trade exception
spurs could then use some of that mle

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I think I found a flaw in your cunning plan: no one wants him.

ferry owes the spurs a favor
and he has a trade excetion
besides james deserves beno

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If you trade Beno to a team that can absorb his salary, the luxury tax number of $2,114,268 would shrink to $367,172. But that assumes the Spurs that the Spurs don't bring in anyone to fill that 15th roster spot.

And it'd still mean that the Spurs wouldn't use their MLE.

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I can see shedding Beno in some manner - maybe pulling a semi-favor and give him to Cleveland - then doing a patented 'tax shaver' special and send out Barry for a smaller one year contract using some cash and maybe next year's Orlando pick as sweetener.

The luxury tax is surrounded by Barry. Trade him to a team with cap space (Bobcats, Bucks?) and we're fine.

i hope the spurs go out of business.

paying bonner 3 mill was fucking stupid.

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i hope the spurs go out of business.

paying bonner 3 mill was fucking stupid.

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Agree.

Resigning Bonner = good.

Outbidding yourself to do it = not good.

They probably overpaid him by half.

yeah dude, that dude was worth less than minimum

Trade idea: Barry to Milwaukee for Damir Markota.

Come home, Damir!

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Trade idea: Barry to Milwaukee for Damir Markota.

Come home, Damir!

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markota sucks.

brent barry is fricking awesome.

No way. Dr. Naismith was Croatian, like Damir Markota.

Barry = 5.5 mil for Pietrus =5 mil (S&T) saves 500K
Beno= 1.9 mil for Trade exemption to cavs= 1.9mil. saved
===========================================2.4 mil saved and no tax

How much would it cost to probably bring these players over: Mahinmi and Sanikidze

I don't see Barry drawing Pietrus for us. Milwaukee is a real possibility, if Mo Williams bolts for Miami. They're below the cap, so can absorb salary. They also have Ersan Ilyasova we might like to pry away to take a look at.

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How much would it cost to probably bring these players over: Mahinmi and Sanikidze

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Sanikidze would probably be the minimum at $427,163 as long as he doesn't have a Euro buyout. I believe Mahinmi's rookie scale contract begins at about $800,000.

Can somebody give me an exact break down of all the salaries and the cap figure, the tax max and the available dollars left to sign a brotha who can play some ball?

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Can somebody give me an exact break down of all the salaries and the cap figure, the tax max and the available dollars left to sign a brotha who can play some ball?

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No money left. Salary cap is $55.630 million.

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The luxury tax threshold came in at $67,865,000. The Spurs have $69,979,268 in salary that counts toward the luxury tax threshold. That means the Spurs are $2,114,268 over the luxury tax threshold.

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Thanks, that's fricking crazy. Has anybody let Peter Holt know about this?

Somebody didn't wear their helmet on the bus today.

How in the hell did somebody let RC run the salaries above the tax bracket? And most of all sign Bonner to a contract 3 times the amount that he is worth? I told you they were making money and not disclosing it.

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Can somebody give me an exact break down of all the salaries and the cap figure, the tax max and the available dollars left to sign a brotha who can play some ball?

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are you the investor or a customer or a fan

What about at the end of next season?

Teams should pay around $45M in luxury tax, the penalty for being $1 above the tax threshold will be around $1.5M.

Great job, guys.

Thankfully shooters are pretty numerous, although the long defensive 3 we need will be harder to find.

Can we acquire a second round draft pick or two in next year's draft to spend on swingmen in the second round? Might be a way to acquire cheap players to fill out the roster.

I'm sure we will trim that $2M away. Hopefully it will be trading Scola and Beno for a 1st rounder or something.

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People think he won't play because he's getting fucking old and can't keep doing what he's doing forever.

Duh.

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Many times I would agree with that. But Bruce looks to be as fit as any 25 year old. Maybe he found that fountain of youth somewhere and is just keeping it a secret.

I know age can creep up on you and cost you a step or two, but right now Bruce looks as good as he did any of the past 3 or years. I would guess he probably has another 2 or 3 in him if he desires it.

Moving Barry would solve the cap issues.

I guess that would actually require another team wanting Barry.

But his price tag really isn't that high, and I think he's still capable of bringing a lot to a team.

A post Butler analysis of the luxury tax situation:

Tim Duncan -- $19,014,188
Tony Parker -- $10,500,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,079,811
Brent Barry -- $5,544,370
Bruce Bowen -- $4,125,000
Robert Horry -- $3,630,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Michael Finley -- $3,103,000
Francisco Elson -- $3,000,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590 ($770,610 against the luxury tax)

$66,431495 against the tax for 12 players
The Luxury tax threshold is $67.865M, Spurs are $1.43M.
Mahinmi should cost $938,760 (he could cost less but it's unlikely).
Marcus Williams cost $427,163.
James White cost $770,610.

So if Spurs wants to go under the tax and if they sign Mahinmi, they had to waive James White but they can keep Marcus Williams. :)

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So if Spurs wants to go under the tax and if they sign Mahinmi, they had to waive James White but they can keep Marcus Williams. :)

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Which fits right in with Ludden bashing White and praising Williams.

Expect that to be the next move and then summer over.

Tim Duncan -- $19,014,188
Tony Parker -- $10,500,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,079,811
Brent Barry -- $5,544,370
Bruce Bowen -- $4,125,000
Robert Horry -- $3,630,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Michael Finley -- $3,103,000
Francisco Elson -- $3,000,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590 ($770,610 against the luxury tax)
Ian Mahinmi -- $938,760
Marcus Williams -- $427,163

NBA's Luxury Tax Threshold: $67,865,000
Current Salaries + Williams and Mahinmi: $67,797,418

If the Spurs go with the above 14 players for 2007-08 season, they'll be under the NBA's luxury tax threshold by $67,582.

That roster might not be good enough but Holt will be happy. :elephant

If the Spurs trade away Beno for nothing, the Spurs could sign Udoka to a three-year, $5.84M contract and stay under the luxury tax threshold. You can bet that's the deal the Spurs have on the table for Udoka ... and that's why he's hesitating signing with the Spurs.

Has anyone noticed the the amount of players we should be losing next year? It looks like we will lose almsot half the team. sheesh
1. Horry already said he is gone
2. Barry contract year,,pretty much in horry mode
3. Bowen,, 50-50...i woner
4. Beno doubt he even survives training camp
5. Finley last year up in 08...how long cna he go?
6. Vaughn Probably look for a back sometime during the year

Thats a ton of holes to fill for the next year. ok, , so we have splitter an Ian, still alot of work to do.


Yoda

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Has anyone noticed the the amount of players we should be losing next year? It looks like we will lose almsot half the team. sheesh
1. Horry already said he is gone
2. Barry contract year,,pretty much in horry mode
3. Bowen,, 50-50...i woner
4. Beno doubt he even survives training camp
5. Finley last year up in 08...how long cna he go?
6. Vaughn Probably look for a back sometime during the year

Thats a ton of holes to fill for the next year. ok, , so we have splitter an Ian, still alot of work to do.


Yoda

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No, absolutely no one has noticed that at all.

I think that all the players above mentioned (with the only more than probable exclusion of Udrih, who's already "en trein" of being traded for nothing) could receive an offer to stay for the minimum...or something little more.
So, in case some of our "old men" don't break during the season I don't see reasons for the management not to give them an offer and, if they like the enviroment, like I think they all do, they all could stay...they know the system, their market value will not be too high ('cause of age) and they could be still more valuable to the team, expecially come play off time - that some young player with no experience.

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If the Spurs trade away Beno for nothing, the Spurs could sign Udoka to a three-year, $5.84M contract and stay under the luxury tax threshold. You can bet that's the deal the Spurs have on the table for Udoka ... and that's why he's hesitating signing with the Spurs.

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yes, that's pretty much like a LLE deal with an addional 3rd year.
it's better than playing for the minimum, but for sure much less than Udoka is expecting.
and it leaves one question: the Blazers have the LLE left, the best what they could offer Udoka. they might have already offered it to him and IMO for the same money, he would stay in his hometown.
(yes, the Blazer have no open spots, but there are some rumors about Miles not comming back and also about a LaFrentz buyout, so there might be a spot for Udoka left soon)

another thought.
we expect the Spurs to sign a FA, even more since they now waived White.
but is it completly out of discussion, that a trade will happen? (a S&T?)
not that the Spurs did own good assets, even less since they gave away Scola and Butler, but I'm just guessing.
the Pavlovic situation in Cleveland for example is still undecided, we know there were talks about Beno and also about Scola, I wonder if some other options have also been discussed.
(of course nothing will happen, till the Varejao question is solved)

I wouldn't be surprised to see Spurs going slight over the luxury tax threshold.
After all, they were over it for these last two years.

Post Udoka update :

- Espn trade machine is saying that Oberto salary is $3.5M (flat contract) and Bonner salary is $2.7M. I think espn gets this number from the nba front office, they should be accurate.
- Udoka contract is slightly above $2M for 2 years. let's say it's $1M for the first year and $1.08M for the second year.
- I assume Spurs will release Spanoulis and won't have to give him money.


Tim Duncan -- $19,014,188
Tony Parker -- $10,500,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,079,811
Brent Barry -- $5,544,370
Bruce Bowen -- $4,125,000
Robert Horry -- $3,630,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,500,000
Michael Finley -- $3,103,000
Francisco Elson -- $3,000,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,700,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Ime Udoka -- $1,000,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590 ($770,610 against the luxury tax)

Spurs team salary : $67,714,075 against the tax for 13 players.
The Luxury tax threshold is $67.865M, Spurs are $150K under it.

If Spurs want to sign other player like Mahinmi and Williams without paying the tax, they will have to dump a player (likely Beno) for a trade exception or for a player with a lower salary.

Nice work. It looks like if the Spurs trade away Beno for nothing and then sign Mahinmi and Williams, they'll be under the threshold. However, we've seen the Spurs over the threshold in the past so perhaps they'll opt to keep Beno while adding those two other players.

Once V-Span is officially decided one way or another, I'd expect the next domino to drop to be Mahinmi. Although I do find it suspicious that Buford is so non-committal whenever he speaks of Mahinmi.

Spurs could definitely use another big man and a younger wing player- even if just for practice. I think they want to keep someone to be a real third PG- so if they trade Beno away, they need someone. Whatever happened with the Hudson story?

If Spurs dump Beno somewhere, they will be $1.9M under the tax.

Williams will cost $427K against the tax.
The 3rd PG will cost $771K against the tax.
Mahinmi will cost between $626K and $939K (first round picks could sign between 80% and 120% of the rookie scale.

If Spurs want to stay under the tax, they can :
- Sign a PG, Williams and Mahinmi for $702K. I'm not sure Mahinmi and his agent will agree to that.
- Sign Mahinmi to $939K, Williams and a PG without guaranteed contract for the training camp. If Williams sucks, Spurs keep the PG and waive Williams. If Williams plays well, Spurs keep Williams and waive the PG. Spurs could still sign a PG (the PG cut at the training camp or another one) at the middle of the season and stay under the tax.

Anyway, Spurs must first find someone ready to take Beno.

Probably already mentioned but you forget Udoka's 2 year deal in there as well.

FO must be annoyed at themselves that they picked up Beno's option... :lol :oops

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you never know when one of your PG's might get injured and out of the roster for some games.. so it's almost like an insurance policy... but now for another NBA team to pay that for him... UNTRADABLE :madrun