As It Stands: Spurs Salaries

This is a very fine thread guys. It offers a nice feel for how things shape-up over the next couple of seasons. I know it's not easy coming up with accurate data. It makes you see and appreciate what professional sports organizations have to go through and their limitations in building them.

Not many people were completely satisfied with the talent the Spurs had throughout most of the 2006-07 season...even as the last game was played. The Spurs still won as one tough unit and that can only be done on wood, not paper.

The money side of the NBA still confuses me and I consider myself fairly educated!

I've learned so much from the hard work you guys put into bringing this information to us and putting it in language that's understandable.

Thank to timvp, Bruno, and all the others that continue to help us laymen stay educated on how it all comes together. :toast

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Originally Posted by timvp

After adjusting Vaughn's salary again, that's $49,363,312 on the books. Adding in the six minimum salary spots (because you have to have at least 12 player spots counting against the cap) and assuming that San Antonio renounces the rights to all the other players, the Spurs total charge against the 2008-09 salary cap looks to be $51,926,290.

If the salary cap for the 2008-09 season comes in at $58,000,000 or more (which isn't too unlikely due to the new TV contract), the Spurs should have more than the mid-level exception to try to acquire a marquee player, even after the moves they made this summer.

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This is where Ian and Splitter matter- I believe. They count against the cap space available to sign players in the summer, unless of course you sign them to one of those 12 spots.

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Originally Posted by greenleo

I don't get why people think that Bruce might not play after next season...As far as I've heard, he hasn't talked about retiring anytime soon. I only read about Horry saying that the upcoming season will be his last, more than likely. As for Bruce, he just had a phenomenal playoff and finals run. He was absolutely superb. His defense on Lebron was just amazing. Not to mention his clutch 3 in Game 5 agains the Suns. And also some 3s during a finals game when the big 3 were struggling. Why would he retire after next year?

I think he can play for another 3 years. I'm hoping the Spurs will give him another contract. I just cannot imagine the Spurs without Bruce. He is the best defender...Who is going to guard Kobe, AI, Carmelo, etc? So I sure hope he'd want to stay for a while longer. And I'd really hope the Spurs will give him a contract if he wants to play longer.

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People think he won't play because he's getting fucking old and can't keep doing what he's doing forever.

Duh.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

People think he won't play because he's getting fucking old and can't keep doing what he's doing forever.

Duh.

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Has he shown signs of weaknesses and slowing down in the finals? Could he have guarded Lebron any better?

I get that he's getting older...but I just don't see any signs of him getting worse at the moment. I think it all depends on whether he wants to play for a few more years or whether he'd want to retire. And I've never heard him say a word about retiring soon or anything like that.

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Originally Posted by timvp

After adjusting Vaughn's salary again, that's $49,363,312 on the books. Adding in the six minimum salary spots (because you have to have at least 12 player spots counting against the cap) and assuming that San Antonio renounces the rights to all the other players, the Spurs total charge against the 2008-09 salary cap looks to be $51,926,290.

If the salary cap for the 2008-09 season comes in at $58,000,000 or more (which isn't too unlikely due to the new TV contract), the Spurs should have more than the mid-level exception to try to acquire a marquee player, even after the moves they made this summer.

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What is the MLE nowadays? I suppose the Spurs can outbid other MLE offers, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by spurster

What is the MLE nowadays? I suppose the Spurs can outbid other MLE offers, but that's about it.

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It is based on average player salary. That value exception isn't determined until the start of the free agent signing period...according to Cox.

It was $5 Million in 2005-06. Last year it was $5.215 million.

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Has he shown signs of weaknesses and slowing down in the finals? Could he have guarded Lebron any better?

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Actually he has, and we had a big man soft doubling Lebron the whole series. Bowen could never shut him down. He's too damn strong.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Actually he has, and we had a big man soft doubling Lebron the whole series. Bowen could never shut him down. He's too damn strong.

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Even when LeBron was a rookie, Bruce could only provide the first-front in James' face. LeBron is too strong.

Exstatic is right regarding helping with a Big. Oberto actually did his best work all year during the Finals helping Bruce on traps, hedges and what-have-you.

Bonner should've been offered a 2 year minimum contract. There isn't a team out there that would've beat it. The Spurs suck at negotiation.

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Originally Posted by timvp

My CBA knowledge is a little rusty so feel free correct any mistakes. :smokin

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Does a team have to pay the luxury tax if they go $1.00 over the cap? Or, is there another level where the tax does kick in dollar for dollar? For example, if the cap is $70 million, is there another level say $72 million where if breached the tax kicks in? So if a team was at $71.5 millioon they would not pay a tax? They would not get the rebate from the league by staying under the $70 million level though. Seems like I recall some buffer zone that allowed this.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Bonner should've been offered a 2 year minimum contract. There isn't a team out there that would've beat it. The Spurs suck at negotiation.

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The painting isn't finished, Mr. Impatient.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Bonner should've been offered a 2 year minimum contract. There isn't a team out there that would've beat it. The Spurs suck at negotiation.

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For all the strengths of the front office, they seem to be a bit sentimental when dealing with our own free agents. See Rose, Malik or Jackson, Jaren.

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo

For all the strengths of the front office, they seem to be a bit sentimental when dealing with our own free agents. See Rose, Malik or Jackson, Jaren.

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Don't know. We may actually have gotten quite the discount.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...4&postcount=32

Even the cheapest of the good contracts listed are ~4,000,000/year. Bonner's getting 3,000,000/year.

The other thing to consider to is these 3 million a year contracts help when cap filler is needed for trades, if necessary.

Bonner put them in the luxury cap threshold, therefore, they are going to pay 6 million dollars for a bench player who hands out water during the playoffs.....

while leaving there midlevel unused on a player who can actually contribute.

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Originally Posted by greenleo

Has he shown signs of weaknesses and slowing down in the finals? Could he have guarded Lebron any better?

I get that he's getting older...but I just don't see any signs of him getting worse at the moment. I think it all depends on whether he wants to play for a few more years or whether he'd want to retire. And I've never heard him say a word about retiring soon or anything like that.

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Bowen showed signs during the regular season, particularly when it came to back to backs, of slowing down.

He played about as well as he could during the Finals, but still had a soft double coming on every play from the play side big to help defend LeBron.

And he's only going to get slower from here on out.

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo

For all the strengths of the front office, they seem to be a bit sentimental when dealing with our own free agents. See Rose, Malik or Jackson, Jaren.

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Have you seen what other FAs are getting this year so far? Matt Carroll. Kapono. Etc. This is a bargain.

Bonner is going to be near the bottom third of the payscale for the Spurs. Complainers complain. Players play. :smokin


Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Jackie Butler -- $2,350,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590
James White -- $687,456

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Bonner is going to be near the bottom third of the payscale for the Spurs. Complainers complain. Players play. :smokin


Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Jackie Butler -- $2,350,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590
James White -- $687,456

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While I'm not against the Bonner signing, that's hardly the greatest endorsement for the deal. How many players in that list are worth a damn? If what you're saying is the Spurs just inked a guy to bolster the very end of their bench, I'm not sure that's a ringing plus.

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Originally Posted by timvp

My CBA knowledge is a little rusty so feel free correct any mistakes. :smokin

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I thought you don't get the MLE if you're under the cap

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Originally Posted by Twisted_Dawg

Does a team have to pay the luxury tax if they go $1.00 over the cap? Or, is there another level where the tax does kick in dollar for dollar? For example, if the cap is $70 million, is there another level say $72 million where if breached the tax kicks in? So if a team was at $71.5 millioon they would not pay a tax? They would not get the rebate from the league by staying under the $70 million level though. Seems like I recall some buffer zone that allowed this.

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pretty sure if you are $1 over the cap you pay $1 on top of it

Players under $3M per year are usually either injury insurance players, players in their first contracts (rookie), or veteran minimums. Bonner is more than just a $2.7M insurance policy for Robert Horry. Bonner can really contribute at both ends of the court, providing scoring, rebounding and infectious hustle. He's a great value for a rotation player and, if healthy, he WILL be a rotation player in 2007-08.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Players under $3M per year are usually either injury insurance players, players in their first contracts (rookie), or veteran minimums. Bonner is more than just a $2.7M insurance policy for Robert Horry. Bonner can really contribute at both ends of the court, providing scoring, rebounding and infectious hustle. He's a great value for a rotation player and, if healthy, he WILL be a rotation player in 2007-08.

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BS.