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Maybe not in the low post, but I'll have to disagree with you when it comes to playing the big man who can space the floor and give TD room to operate with his outside shooting role.Quote:
Originally Posted by itzsoweezee
I'd venture to guess that if Scola wanted to play for a deal starting at 3 million a year, he'd be here already.
Actually Pop like to rest Horry a bit during the RS, especially on B2Bs. I suspect we are going to see Bonner get those minutes this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
And actually he was playing well last year before the leg injury. I for one, am glad we have him back on the team. Lot of hustle and can get deadly on the 3 pters.
It's a good, solid flexible contract. It's probably right at market value for Bonner, possibly even a bit below when you look what Kapono and Carroll just got. The length and cost make them easy to use in possible S&Ts (along with Elson and Butler).
Nothing flashy so far this offseason, but solid moves that don't break the bank or, as some people have been saying, ruin any of their long-term plans.
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Originally Posted by urunobili
Bonner is a good player to have around. He also fits a need. With this upcoming season being Horry's last, the Spurs need to have a perimeter shooting big in the fold. If the Spurs don't have a big who can knock down shots, teams can much more easily double Duncan.
Besides shooting, Bonner became a much better rebounder last season. He also doesn't turn the ball over and is tough. His ceiling isn't that high and he has a lot of work to do defensively, but he's going to help this team.
And there's no way his contract was over his market value. Bigmen who can shoot such as Antoine Walker, Tim Thomas, Brian Scalabrine and Brian Cook all make more money ($53M, $24M, 15M and $11M respectively). Even a guy like Mark Madsen ($10M) makes more. And none of those five guys rebound as well as Bonner does.
Bonner will never be a star but he's a solid 7th-8th man in the rotation down the line and he has a very reasonable contract.
He's a hustler at the boards and gives the Spurs the energy in the regular season. Not an offensive threat.. but the guy's like the rejuvenater of the team when he plays.
Indeed, to follow up TIMVPQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Stats from Knickerblogger
Player PER Rebound Rate Contract
Walker 9.67 11.0 7.6 million/year
Thomas 13.75 11.0 5.215 million/year
Scalabrine 6.64 6.1 2.8 million/year
Cook 14.89 12.4 extended at 3.5 million/year
Masden 4.55 11.0 2.2 million/year
Bonner 16.59 14.4 3 million/year
Oberto 12.05 16.3 3.5 million/year
It should be noted that TIMVP is Cherry picking bad contacts.
Decent Contracts (added after accidental early post), in this vicinity of performance
Player PER Rebound Rate Contract
U Haslem 13.8 15.6 5.525 million/year
Mikki Moore 14.9 11.4 Vet Min, expecting a significant raise
Pachulia 16.99 14.9 4 million/year
Okur 18.27 13.2 8.25 million/year
Chris Wilcox 16.72 14.6 6.25 million/year
Collison 14.34 16.8 5.75 million/year (extension starts in 07/08)
There are very few players out there who are not on rookie contracts and producting in Bonner's league that are getting less than $3,000,000. There are MANY getting much more for much less production.
bonner brings energy and he spaces the floor a la horry...he's a needed piece to the spurs system. to top it all off, he's affordable. i envision him having a break out season this year.
Reasons why Bonner won't make a significant impact next year:
1) Pop will not expand his rotation to include an 11th player receiving regular minutes.
2) Horry will not be "supplanted" by Bonner during the regular season or playoffs.
3) Bonner will not supplant any of the other frontcourt mainstays (i.e. Elson) because they fulfill a different role than he does....and not a duplicate one, like he does.
Again, I think this move was made for the season after next when Horry will most likely retire, leaving a rotation spot open for the big, hustle guy with an outside shot.
The only time he'll get "regular" minutes (not based on whether the game is a blowout), is when Horry is sitting the second night of back-to-backs or injured.
Incorrect in a fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Scola's agent said last summer that he'd accept a 3 year deal at 9/10 million.
So Scola is willing to play for Bonner money (end of the bench DNP-CD money), but the Spurs have refused to offer it.
Now that's comedy gold.
Not bad? For Bonner 3Mp/yr? My bad :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by ArgSpursFan
Why Bonner? Well, one time Pop's legendary temper went too far. . .
Bonner knows where the body is. :)
Also, he wears well. His teammates like him. He's popular. That counts for something (especially with this team).Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Are you sure? Scola'd accept a 9M/year not 3. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by objective
That all sounds fine and good until you remember that Bonner WAS receiving regular minutes up until his injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
On top of that, you have to consider that - especially with a 37 year old Horry - injuries in the front court are not unheard of. So even if Pop doesn't have him in his first 5 off the bench, that doesn't mean that he won't spend long stretches there just the same.
I think the spurs resigned Bonner Because of his¨alright¨Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
3 pt range,that´s all.And having him already onboard they feel like they wont need Luis this season.Otherwise I don´t know why the spent that money on him tham signing Scola.
Scola is a much better all around player and hustler, with more inside presence and scoring tham Matt.
I still like it having Bonner on the team,but Scola was really the perfect guy to rest Timmy and still have someone on the floor who can play the low post and get something done in the paint while TD is on the bench.
Hey people whats up. Im new here ! :). Thats as formal as my intro will get.
Anyway, on to Spurstalk. To copy from my post on mysanantonio.com. Im happy with the signing. As long as Duncan is around shooters will be coveted. 3 years for $9 million was about market value for him and if he continues to improve he will help us down the road. The Oberto signing im not so coy about. $10.5 million dollars for a 32 year under sized centre - im not entirely happy about it. I understand RC has the whole trust thing going on but this one seriously eats into what we can do next summer (we could be in the running for an Elton Brand type star). Anyway, Oberto compliments Duncan well but a 2-year deal would have been more in line IMO.
Pop likes him and I like him because he hustles on every play and spread the floor with his outside shooting. He's a white Malik with longer range. I really like him so :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted_Dawg
Comedy gold? Howabout a link? The last I saw last year he was looking for a five year deal starting at the MLE. That's not exactly 3 years/9 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
great, more 'link?' trollingQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
From JULY 7th, 2006
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...a.1300a8f.html
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Scola is seeking a three-year contract worth between $9 million and $10 million, about a third of which would go to paying the $3.5 million buyout he has with Tau.
Bonner is....well...okay. Considering what other FAs are getting, then I would say $2 million per year would have been better. He does provide a PF that can help spread the floor like Horry.
Which free agent signing makes you think Bonner is worth $2M a year?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBeezie
I don't remember seeing anywhere that he wanted the MLE or five years. All I remember was the E-N saying he wanted 3years/$9-10M and one other place saying he wanted $3-4M/year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Methinks Bonner + 1 full year of Spurs experience + Chip Engelland + health = a very reliable role player who can dagger teams from afar and help on the boards.
I never saw the guy last season but from what I hear he can shoot. If he's half-brained smart, he has a pretty good grasp on when and where to shoot in the spurs system. If he's a dedicated worker he has had what some claim the best shooting coach in the world on his team's coaching staff.
He will be well worth it :tu