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Tim Duncan doesn't always catch the ball 2ft from the basket in the low post. Sometimes he catches it 12-15 off and starts the backdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
My point was to say that the player alongside Duncan doesn't necessarily have to be a shooter.
I'd rather have the league's best low post player in the post, wouldn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
Rediculous....way to distort my intention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Are you telling me that you would rather play Bonner or Horry with Duncan rather than Oberto, because both of those players do their damage on the outside?
Answer this...which player on this Spurs roster plays best with Duncan? Does that player shoot the three?
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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
I would think that this would be more likely if the Spurs didn't have players like Duncan and to a lesser extent Oberto who aren't in that extremely athletic category and seem to do okay in the league...
Eh, my assertion was that having a 4 with an outside shot is best for TD's game. Now you have attempted to change the subject by raising the concern of who does best playing with TD. The surest sign of a lost argument.
Sure, they are looking for athleticism somewhere in the rotation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Austin
Fine....your argument holds true in theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
In theory, it's the most efficient way to operate alongside Tim Duncan.
But reality has not reflected theory....
Spurs did just fine in 03 with Robinson, Rose, and Willis next to Duncan.
Besides, just because Bonner can hit threes doesn't make him like Horry at all.
There is no equality between the Duncan/Horry combo and Duncan/Bonner combo.
I realize this will come off as non-spurs-fan material, but if the spurs arent going to bring scola over, they should trade him for a 2nd rounder or just release his rights, he deserves a chance to play in this league!!!
I still wont give up hope they will make a trade and bring him over now or at worst next season... but somebody in the FO has to have a plan and if it doesnt include him they should let him go.
Do the Spurs hold his rights in perpetuity, or do his rights get relinquished after a certain period of time?
Actually, it has. Horry. DRob.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
Did you just say that D-Rob was a three-point shooter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
lol, Robinson wasn't even reliable on a jumper his last 3 seasons.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
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Originally Posted by objective
Where was he on offense?
close to the basket on cuts, like the 4-5 alley-oop.
Besides, the reason the Horry-TD combo worked is not because Horry stood around drawing defenses out.
The reason Horry finished so many games in the playoffs is because of all the other things he did. The rebounds. The blocks. The cuts. The defense. The savvy.
Horry was a big time player who made big time plays. The simplistic view of Horry just being a three point shooter and that is why a long range threat is best next to Duncan is doing a disservice to how good Horry plays (when he's interested in playing that is).
Usually top of the key/right elbow to provide space for TD down low.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
who cares about Scola when we have BONNER
Horry's value lies primarily in his threat beyond the arc. That doesn't diminish the value of his savvy play at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
And you don't think Scola is going to have the same learning "disability" his first year? :wtfQuote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Really, check out the 5 man unit stats on 82games.comQuote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS2.HTM
Playing with the starters & variation with Barry in place of Gino (just to show the weird stuff that happens with Elson)
# Unit Min Off Def +/- W L Win%
Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Bonner-Duncan 46 116 78 +38 12 1 92.3
Parker-Barry-Bowen-Bonner-Duncan 38 66 78 -12 4 9 30.7
Bonner goes to the perimeter and Gino penetrates - works great. However, With Barry in place of Gino, it goes to hell.
Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan 290 571 503 +68 22 12 64.7
Parker-Barry-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan 109 211 182 +29 15 11 57.6
Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Duncan-Elson 173 391 302 +89 15 13 53.5
Parker-Barry-Bowen-Duncan-Elson 245 469 438 +31 21 9 70.0
This pair of 5 man units is weird. It appears that Elson works a LOT better with Barry's perimeter shooting vs. Gino's peneration
Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 172 328 295 +33 21 13 61.7
Parker-Barry-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 81 170 124 +46 21 11 65.6
It's weird that Bonner is so much more succesful when working with Parker, Gino, Bowen and TD. On the other hand, compare Horry and Bonner EFG% .458 vs .523 (Bonner wins), RB Rating 21.3 vs. 25.7 (Bonner Wins).
Although the samples for Bonner's play are small, it appears he works rather well as a perimeter shooting big besides TD.
yeah, but the problem is, if you trade Elson to get him, you don't have any depth at center. For some lineups/matchups Elson's 7' size is effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
So you'd be playing Oberto next to Scola.
I'd like to see him in a Spurs uni, just to see what the best big in Europe can do in the NBA, but I don't see it happening this year because of all the contracts we just signed.
I think the Spurs are willing to wait on his contract with Tau to expire. I know Tau would like to sign him now to an extension, but his leverage would be better next year after he is free.
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#2, I think people are too readily confusing Horry the player with the idea of the PF position. QUOTE]
Great post. People are forgetting that Horry was once compared to a Scottie Pippen. He didn't grow into that role, but he consistently shows the athleticism, length, and BB IQ that spurred those comparisons. Horry is a wonderful player. In a way, Horry is an older version of the proverbial "long 3" we are looking for...
Wouldn't Scola provide some interior scoring when TD is on the bench. That's his reputation as one of the best post players not in the NBA. It's so easy to dismiss him as not athletic or big enough but he's skilled and fundamentally sound and if he plays with any sort of Argentine passion, these more than make up for an inch or two of missing height in my book. If he can keep the defense honest to any extent, then he will be able to help the team's perimeter game.