Bulter/Scola/Manhimni/Toros/vets

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I think a lot of fans overestimate what a player "learns" in practice.

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word.

Ian is so far away from being NBA ready, on a scale from 1 to 10 it would be a 0.
bringing him over right now is wasting a spot and some money.
(as mentioned, this spot will be Splitters next year, who will provide some impact from the beginning)
some practise and some D league games won't help that much.
playing for a good European team (and for the French team) will give him much more chance to improve, but he will have to do it for maybe another 3 years.
Splitter will be 23 when he comes, Ian will turn 21 in some months. so it's not a problem to wait.

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Originally Posted by lotr1trekkie

Draft night analysis stated that Williams was a natural scorer, poor defensively, not a 3point shooter at all and had some maturity issues.

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By that I sure hope you don't mean Steven A. Smith.

And in regards to the "poor defensively" and "not a 3 point shooter" comments let me ask you this, have you ever seen a perfect prospect? Have you ever seen a player that didn't have objections about them? Kevin Durant isn't strong enough. Greg Oden has an underdeveloped offensive game. But they're not getting cut because they're not perfect. The fact is that with a 20 year old kid you can work some of these problems out of them. It's called "player development".

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How many games will he play in--a handful at garbage time?

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He'll probably spend a large amount of time in Austin and only play big minutes at the end of the season, like Butler and White did this year, when we don't care about W's anymore. Hes glued to the inactive list so long as injuries don't plague us.

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And if Waydowntown is correct how will Williams improve enough to earn playing time?

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By the 08-09 season, who knows? But the only risk we're taking is losing a roster spot to an ineffective player but we pose to gain quite a bit if he comes through. Besides, the money is hardly an issue for a 2nd rounder and he can be dropped after one season if he flops. You act like every player that comes into the NBA is ready to contribute and the fact that Williams isn't makes him undesirable. The fact is that most teams have a couple of projects that they're tinkering with on their roster at any given time. Ours last year were Butler and White.

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With the top 12 all returning I can't see much playing time for #'s 13-15. Would you agree?

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I see zero time for players 13-15. It's hard to get minutes when you're inactive and therefore inelligible to play.

Marcus Williams has Ely's spot.

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Originally Posted by lotr1trekkie

If we don't do it now he may very well become the next Luis Scola

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Now this is funny- when he has done half of what Scola has done, get back to me.

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Originally Posted by Help A Brother Out

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/longhorn.jpg

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That is not the Hook Em Horns hand salute. :rolleyes

Mahinmi going back in europe is far from sure. We're on july 9th and I haven't seen a single rumor linking Mahinmi with an european team. We can asume that Spurs still haven't said to him that they haven't a roster spot for him next year.

Spurs should consider him to be their 6th bigman. The 6th bigman spot is for the moment Butler and the fact that he hasn't been really good in SL so far doesn't help him. Spurs trading Butler to create a roster spot for Mahinmi isn't that unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Mahinmi going back in europe is far from sure. We're on july 9th and I haven't seen a single rumor linking Mahinmi with an european team. We can asume that Spurs still haven't said to him that they haven't a roster spot for him next year.

Spurs should consider him to be their 6th bigman. The 6th bigman spot is for the moment Butler and the fact that he hasn't been really good in SL so far doesn't help him. Spurs trading Butler to create a roster spot for Mahinmi isn't that unlikely.

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I think his injury killed any chance to come to San Antonio now. He'll wait one more year

Ian is a borderline waste right now. That's how underdeveloped he is skills wise. He needs to gain weight, stop fouling everything that comes near him and just get better. He would be eaten alive right now if he came to the NBA. Hell, he'd get beat up in college.

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Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil

I think his injury killed any chance to come to San Antonio now. He'll wait one more year

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You can think that if you want but there isn't so far a single fact pointing to Mahinmi back in europe.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

You can think that if you want but there isn't so far a single fact pointing to Mahinmi back in europe.

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That's true

Does he still have contract in France?

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Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil

That's true

Does he still have contract in France?

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He is still maybe under contract with Pau (depending on how his contract is made) but he won't play with them next year : he said to them that he wouldn't be back with them next year and they have signed players who take his roster spot.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

He is still maybe under contract with Pau (depending on how his contract is made) but he won't play with them next year : he said to them that he wouldn't be back with them next year and they have signed players who take his roster spot.

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I know this is off topic but do you think Victor can play for a good europe team next season?

Thusfar, Ian's foot speed has translated into him catching up to players faster so that he can foul them sooner.

:smokin

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Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil

I know this is off topic but do you think Victor can play for a good europe team next season?

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He signed a two years contract with a spanish team last summer. If he is back with them next year, he could get more playtime with them (spanish verison of the Stephen Jackson plan).

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Originally Posted by Bruno

He signed a two years contract with a spanish team last summer. If he is back with them next year, he could get more playtime with them (spanish verison of the Stephen Jackson plan).

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by Bruno

He signed a two years contract with a spanish team last summer. If he is back with them next year, he could get more playtime with them (spanish verison of the Stephen Jackson plan).

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Estudiantes, right?

How high of a level of competition does Estudiantes play at?

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Originally Posted by Darkwaters

Estudiantes, right?

How high of a level of competition does Estudiantes play at?

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Estudiantes plays the spanish league (acb) : it's the best domestic league in europe.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Estudiantes plays the spanish league (acb) : it's the best domestic league in europe.

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Do they play the Euroleague this next year?

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Originally Posted by Darkwaters

Do they play the Euroleague this next year?

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No. They won't too play the ULEB cup (second best european competition).

Even if it's a domestic competition, the ACB level is very high. Euroleague level is higher but the ACB level is higher than the ULEB level.

I recently read somewhere in a Euro publication that Mahamni did not expect to resign in Europe next season. Maybe his injury changes that. Either way I don't understand the orgasmic joy over Butler glued to the bench for another year and then being replaced by Splitter next season. At 23 Spiltter may also need a year of tutoring to play our style.When we drafted Ginobile most people gasped at the choice. That pick was made about intangibles in his game. I suspect Mahimni was chosen by the same people for the same reasons. If Mahimni is a 0 for next year then Butler is Antarctic subzero.

Professional coaches and scouts and FO people are paid thousands and sometimes millions of dollars to make these decisions.

Our team's professionals have made more right decisions than wrong ones and so we'v wound up with 4 Championships. Some of these guys are getting a chance to show what they can do in Summer League and aren't doing so hot.

If they leave Javtokas or Mahimimi or Sanizwhatever in Europe then I trust they are making informed decisions.

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Originally Posted by Big P

The league is going to change the rule about assigning a player only 3 times because the Spurs want them to? Pretty sure that wont happen...the rule might eventually get changed, but its going to take more than the Spurs wanting it to happen.

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Im sure the Lakers are asking for a change in the rule as well, due to the fact that they also own a DLeague team. hopefully this rule does get changed in our favor