Butler with a jumpshot! 53-50
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Butler with a jumpshot! 53-50
Lee with a fastbreak layup! 55-50
1:36 left
Butler for the jumper. Then Lee for the layup
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Spurs up 5. 1:36 left
55-50
Allan Ray couldn't handle the pass from Rondo. Spurs ball. Foul on Rondo. 1:24 left.
CJ Watson with the steal and takes it to the rim for 2 free throws. Goes 1-2.
Spurs 56
Celtics 50
Allan Ray with a 3. James White to the line.
Spurs 58
Celtics 53
36 seconds left
White goes 1-2.
Butler with a key rebound.
Spurs win 61-53.
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Jackie Butler no doubt was the player of the game.
Drugs, paying players, and recruiting violations happen at every major program and every major university. To suggest that Baylor University is exempt from such activity because it possesses an inherent moral center, having a religious affiliation, is naive.Quote:
Originally Posted by coopdogg3
Do I celebrate the fact that drugs, illegal funds, and recruiting violations were involved? Of course not.
Dave Bliss is an asshole, but I don't think the University was aware that he would go as far as to tell his coaching staff to infer that Dennehey received the illegal funds from drug deals. I don't think they have "what-if" scenarios like that in the hiring process.
I agree that Dave Bliss deserved to be fired and that the program is much better off having Scott Drew as the lead....but again, I just can't say that the University was at fault.
To answer your question....
The "unfortunate set of circumstances" I was referring to, were the circumstances leading to Dennehey's death. It was those unfortunate circumstances that kicked off the investigation and the ensuing domino effect left a program shattered for over 3 full years.
To the University's credit, they hired a smart individual that focused on building slowly for the future and having gradual improvement. I look forward to seeing how Baylor Basketball does going forward....
For those who saw the game 2 questions:
Any chance of Butler be the backup center?
Can Williams make the training camp?
Not sure what kind of chance, but we're talking about replacing Francisco Elson...not the Admiral....so I'd say it's possible. Actually, I'm hoping for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil
If not Williams, then who? I think he makes it because the Spurs haven't seen another player to legitimately challenge, given Williams' upside and the fact that the Spurs invested a high second-rounder on him.
Let Williams work with Chip on his shot and develop him....he could be good down the line. I don't see anyone else that really should take his spot.
Butler definitely showed he can be a backup center in this game.
Williams didn't look like he can make it in Europe. Besides a pretty layup and a free throw, he did nothing.
No doubt. 16 pts 12 rbdsQuote:
Originally Posted by ElliottFan
Not really following you all that well. I never suggested that Baylor's religious affiliation made them exempt from some of the darker aspects of college basketball. I don't give a crap that other universities are guilty of the same thing. It's wrong, and Baylor deserved to be punished for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHAT TONY
I misspoke earlier, as I didn't mean to lay all the blame on Baylor University's door. I merely meant that Lucas got completely screwed over by the events that took place at Baylor. With Bliss being the primary villain.
I wouldn't really call murder an unfortunate set of circumstances either. Granted Dotson was crazy, but murder is murder. A heinous act, a violent crime, call it what you will, but I personally don't consider murder to be an act of circumstance.
Good to finally see a good half out of this summer league team. The defense in the second half was very good. Newman stopped subbing players in and out like a mad man so the team actually got into a decent flow.
Player thoughts:
-Butler was very good in the second half. He finally brought consistent effort the entire half. Pulled down some impressive rebounds. He stopped forcing passes and played under control. In the second half, he was easily the best player on the floor for either team.
-White's offense was off all game. Buford said during an interview what we've all said about him ... that he needs to use his athleticism more to his advantage and learn to finish after contact. Offensively, he didn't do that today. But defensively, I thought he was really solid. He defended Gerald Green very well.
-Williams didn't start the second half. He came in and played a little bit and got a free throw and a leaning layup. However, I'm not too impressed from what I've seen so far. He's pretty slow, has a slow release on his jumper and just isn't a very aggressive player. He's having trouble with the athleticism difference from college to summer league ... which isn't a very good sign. Right now he's basically playing like a 2002 version of Steve Smith that can't shoot. The bright spot is he looks to be trying to play defense.
-Watson is still a ball hog. Luckily he actually hit some shots. Gadson is a more willing passer but he's not that good of a ballhandler.
-Sanikidze didn't play.
Yeah, I thought the Spurs should have gotten into the Lucas bidding last year. I'll give Williams more time to show what he can do, but as it stands no one is going to be trading for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
timvp,
I know it's early but can you see Butler taking Elson minutes?
I definitely can. :)
Tough to say. The NBA keeps getting smaller and smaller and Duncan keeps morphing into more of a traditional center. With Duncan and Butler both being 1990's style centers, it could probably only work against certain teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs Brazil
However, his second half today was the best I've seen Butler play in a long time. If he can keep it up, he may be able to battle the other bigs for some minutes. Or if the Spurs want to go in another direction, they may be able to get something decent for him.
And here I quit watching at half because it was so awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I think the second is more likely...
Any chance for C.Lee?
I remember he had a good training camp last season
Too bad he's small for SG/SF
That's the best Butler has played since he was with the Knicks but the competition today was far worse. You could actually see his ability to score today. His defense was very encouraging. He still hasn't learned to consistently roll off the screen/rolls properly. Once or twice, I saw him back-pedal out of the screen instead of rolling facing the ball with hands ready.
CJ Watson is not a skilled playmaker or entry passer. He is more of a scoring guard with good defensive skills. That's what he did alongside Lofton in the backcourt under Bruce Pearl.
White looked gangly and out of rhythm. Too bad nobody could throw a decent alley oop pass or find him on the break or he would have had a couple of ESPN specials.
Marcus Williams could not get himself open by moving without the ball. If that's how he moves without the ball all the time, I am underwhelmed. He must show more than that or he'll never get a sniff.
Sanikidze must not speak English. He wasn't in the huddles. He was also the only player on either bench wearing a headband and that's including players who normally do such as Flight White and Marcus Williams. Maybe they told everybody not to wear a headband and Viktor didn't get proper translation.
Jackie butler made a solid game. I'm happy because jackie is really good during 2 of the 3 games that he played in the summerleague.
Besides , I hope that jackie will play the next season with the spurs.
We can see too that jackie is a great rebounder 12 rebounds this game . That's a good news!
:) He speaks English - I've talked to him before. Maybe he just missed the memo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D