Obviously: Udrih Deserves a Shot, by Bill Ingram

No "going away" party? I might fly in from cali for that one.

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Originally Posted by MI21

I think Beno's talents are being exaggerated. He isn't that talented.

His positives were that he could hit an open shot, and had very good court vision and was sort of crafty with finding angles on the court. Seriously, that was it.

The Spurs system hid his defensive liabilities, his ballhandling was always below average, he couldn't really get to or finish at the rim consistently, he isn't athletic, he isn't quick and of course lacked the most basic of all point guard abilities, he struggled against aggressive pressure defense.

I keep hearing he was so talented blah blah blah... His ceiling really was decent backup PG, it's not like this was a Dajuan Wagner or Darius Miles waste of talent...

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Spurs drafted him because they already have Tony P. And of those two Beno was always better than Tony.(That off course is well documented...) I still believe that Beno's problem is he never really want to admit that Tony is progressing so well and he was still stuck in Pop's methodology of proving something against someone. He is still in that denial phase.

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Originally Posted by MI21

Yeah, I'm talking about NBA though.

I don't see this talent and skills. He is no more talented that your run of the mill backup PG in my opinion.

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His talent and skills are not visible any more, he hasn't progressed over last few years, so....

As Kibic wrote: Beno was always (prior to NBA career) better than TP, however TP didn't stop to develop his talent and skills as he entered in the NBA, Beno has

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Spurs drafted him because they already have Tony P. And of those two Beno was always better than Tony.(That off course is well documented...)

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:rollin

Lay off the psychedelics.

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Originally Posted by ata

His talent and skills are not visible any more, he hasn't progressed over last few years, so....

As Kibic wrote: Beno was always (prior to NBA career) better than TP, however TP didn't stop to develop his talent and skills as he entered in the NBA, Beno has

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I never thought the talent and skills were there in the first place. He was good for the first few months of his rookie season, but as soon as teams had a chance to find his many weaknesses and scout him, and then exploit those weaknesses, he was really not that good.

What I am trying to say is that he would of needed the work ethic of Michael Jordan to turn into even a marginal starting PG. The base, the skills required to be a success in the NBA were just never there in my opinion just as I said when I listed his strengths and weaknesses earlier, which I think were pretty hard to argue or disagree with.

All NBA players are capable of having games where they look like a star, it doesn't mean they have the talent to perform like that every game, even if they worked hard.

You may be right, but who now cares about Beno's talent really? He is out!

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Originally Posted by ata

You may be right, but who now cares about Beno's talent really? He is out!

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Great, isn't it? :toast

he has shown a sweet stroke, but outside of that, i'm not sure about his talent and skills.

he never showed plus quickness or defense.

his ball handling was marginal - anybody remember when he couldn't even get the ball to halfcourt against lindsey hunter?

now that rasho and beno are all gone, are slovenians posters going or they fall in love with the spurs.
I hope the latter
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I was always NBA fan, however never had favorite club. SA wasn't first club with Slovenian players, however first with great forum. I found this forum few months after Rasho signed.
Hanging on the forum, reading all the opinions hooked me to the community. I'll stay here and route for Spurs. Rasho will stay my favorite Slovenian player in the NBA, hence I route for Toronto also.

I don't care about Beno much.

AFAIF Slomo was SA fan way before Rasho came in town.

BTW: great banner Slomo, major props

The fundamental problem with Beno is that he feels he "deserves" PT without earning it.

I never saw where this "talent" was either. He liked to go to his left, stop, and shoot the jumper. He had trouble bringing up the ball under pressure. He wasn't a good passer.

He did have bad work ethic, but I don't think it was hiding all of his "talent."

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Originally Posted by MI21

I think Beno's talents are being exaggerated. He isn't that talented.

His positives were that he could hit an open shot, and had very good court vision and was sort of crafty with finding angles on the court. Seriously, that was it.

The Spurs system hid his defensive liabilities, his ballhandling was always below average, he couldn't really get to or finish at the rim consistently, he isn't athletic, he isn't quick and of course lacked the most basic of all point guard abilities, he struggled against aggressive pressure defense.

I keep hearing he was so talented blah blah blah... His ceiling really was decent backup PG, it's not like this was a Dajuan Wagner or Darius Miles waste of talent...

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Agreed. The Spurs never thought Beno was another Tony Parker or anything close. Parker was well-known going into the draft and projected to be gone by the time the Spurs picked. Beno was projected as a second rounder until the Spurs drafted him in the late first.

The Spurs wanted a young back-up point who was good enough to perform that role long term. But not so good that he would be demanding to start and get paid big money -- in other words, they didn't want another Speedy Claxton. It's hard to find that guy -- a young player who can look past an equally young all star point guard who will always be blocking him.

Hopefully, Darius Washington will be that fellow, but don't hold your breath -- if he's not good enough, he's gone. If he's too good, he's gone.

Beno is a lazy piece of shit! He has no desire, Talent yes, but no drive. 80% of sucess is showing up, and Beno never showed up. If he wants to keep playing in thr NBA maybe he should try the WNBA. I hear the Mystics need a point guard!

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Originally Posted by jn77

Beno is a lazy piece of shit! He has no desire, Talent yes, but no drive. 80% of sucess is showing up, and Beno never showed up. If he wants to keep playing in thr NBA maybe he should try the WNBA. I hear the Mystics need a point guard!

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He'll end up in Cleveland or Sacramento.

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Originally Posted by Russ

Agreed. The Spurs never thought Beno was another Tony Parker or anything close. Parker was well-known going into the draft and projected to be gone by the time the Spurs picked.

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He plays in Europe before. Never heard anything about Tony Parker. When they play against each other (from 16 years old to 19 years old) Beno was always better.
You can find some statistics about those games.

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Originally Posted by Russ

Agreed. The Spurs never thought Beno was another Tony Parker or anything close. Parker was well-known going into the draft and projected to be gone by the time the Spurs picked. Beno was projected as a second rounder until the Spurs drafted him in the late first.

The Spurs wanted a young back-up point who was good enough to perform that role long term. But not so good that he would be demanding to start and get paid big money -- in other words, they didn't want another Speedy Claxton. It's hard to find that guy -- a young player who can look past an equally young all star point guard who will always be blocking him.

Hopefully, Darius Washington will be that fellow, but don't hold your breath -- if he's not good enough, he's gone. If he's too good, he's gone.

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Sorry, but this is total BS.

Why Spurs chased Kidd then? To be 2nd stringer?
TP and Pop were thrown in the situation where TP must be 1st PG. Tony reacted excelent, developed his talent and he is now legit all star. Would you think that would happened if Kidd signed?

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Originally Posted by Kibic

He plays in Europe before. Never heard anything about Tony Parker. When they play against each other (from 16 years old to 19 years old) Beno was always better.
You can find some statistics about those games.

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http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8j...eamID_282.html

It is not the right one :)

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Originally Posted by Russ

Agreed. The Spurs never thought Beno was another Tony Parker or anything close. Parker was well-known going into the draft and projected to be gone by the time the Spurs picked. Beno was projected as a second rounder until the Spurs drafted him in the late first.

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Beno would have been drafted by the Pacers with the next pick if the Spurs hadn't selected him. The Spurs even tried to move up in that trade to make sure they could land either Jameer Nelson or Beno.

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Originally Posted by Russ

The Spurs wanted a young back-up point who was good enough to perform that role long term. But not so good that he would be demanding to start and get paid big money -- in other words, they didn't want another Speedy Claxton. It's hard to find that guy -- a young player who can look past an equally young all star point guard who will always be blocking him.

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Teams draft the best player available. I've never heard of a team passing on a player because they were too good . . . but perhaps I missed that somewhere in history.

The Spurs thought Beno was good, that's why they drafted him. I highly doubt they drafted him because he was the exact level of suck they wanted.

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Originally Posted by Russ

Hopefully, Darius Washington will be that fellow, but don't hold your breath -- if he's not good enough, he's gone. If he's too good, he's gone.

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I'll be hoping he's "too good". Backup point guards by their nature are a short-term fit. Show me a long-term backup point guard and I'll show you a below average point guard.

If Washington blows up and is gone in two years, I'll gladly take those two years. I'd much prefer that to whatever it was that Beno did here for 3+ years.

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Originally Posted by jackseven

I never saw where this "talent" was either. He liked to go to his left, stop, and shoot the jumper. He had trouble bringing up the ball under pressure. He wasn't a good passer.

He did have bad work ethic, but I don't think it was hiding all of his "talent."

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It's obvious to all of us that appreciate DWash that he has more drive and tenacity.

Does anybody here think Beno was more talented overall than Wash?

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

Does anybody here think Beno was more talented overall than Wash?

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Yeah I think so. At least from what I've seen so far from Washington. Beno was just an idiot who could never comprehend that he needed to work to get better. I think Beno is a colossal waste of talent. Washington can play, but he's also got the ethic -- which is what will make him better than Beno ever was.

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Originally Posted by ata

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Originally Posted by Russ

Agreed. The Spurs never thought Beno was another Tony Parker or anything close. Parker was well-known going into the draft and projected to be gone by the time the Spurs picked. Beno was projected as a second rounder until the Spurs drafted him in the late first.

The Spurs wanted a young back-up point who was good enough to perform that role long term. But not so good that he would be demanding to start and get paid big money -- in other words, they didn't want another Speedy Claxton. It's hard to find that guy -- a young player who can look past an equally young all star point guard who will always be blocking him.

Hopefully, Darius Washington will be that fellow, but don't hold your breath -- if he's not good enough, he's gone. If he's too good, he's gone.

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Sorry, but this is total BS.

Why Spurs chased Kidd then? To be 2nd stringer?
TP and Pop were thrown in the situation where TP must be 1st PG. Tony reacted excelent, developed his talent and he is now legit all star. Would you think that would happened if Kidd signed?

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You're the one who's dead wrong here. The Spurs desperately tried to trade up into the early teens to draft Parker, figuring Orlando or Boston was a lock to pick him before 28. It was pretty well-known among Spurs fans that the team badly wanted Parker before the draft; you can ask anyone who was here 2001 or before.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Teams draft the best player available. I've never heard of a team passing on a player because they were too good . . . but perhaps I missed that somewhere in history.

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I doubt the Spurs passed on anyone because they were too good. But they could have tried for someone with more upside than Beno that they would have had to wait on. Instead, they drafted a guy whom they believed was closer to reaching his potential and could step in immediately. They drafted due to need. They needed a back-up point guard -- when you draft to fill a need you often pass on a player who might be better in the long run (but not beause you're goal is to draft less talented players).

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Originally Posted by timvp

The Spurs thought Beno was good, that's why they drafted him. I highly doubt they drafted him because he was the exact level of suck they wanted.

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The point wasn't that Beno had "the right level of suck" but that he would have the right attitude to accept a backup role on a winning team. As I recall (and please correct) Beno was not the star of his Euro team. He was a distributer, a quarterback, a game manager on a team full of stars -- the best team in Europe. That might give the impression that he wanted to win, and would accept a backup role, rather than be the star. That's probably where the Spurs thought he was different than Speedy Claxton, who ended up wanting to be the man.

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Originally Posted by timvp

If Washington blows up and is gone in two years, I'll gladly take those two years.

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Me too.

Bottom line, I just never saw all this talent (either athletic or innate court sense) from a guy who looked more like the prototype backup point guard from day one.

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Originally Posted by timvp

I'll be hoping he's "too good". Backup point guards by their nature are a short-term fit. Show me a long-term backup point guard and I'll show you a below average point guard.

If Washington blows up and is gone in two years, I'll gladly take those two years. I'd much prefer that to whatever it was that Beno did here for 3+ years.

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Could not agree more. Take what you can - give nothing back. If DW really explodes then maybe we do a S & T, get something for him, and wish him the best of luck. Hopefully he has 2 rings to show off to his new team.